What was so bad about Indiana Jones 4
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It's a natural reaction. When you bring back an old, much loved series there are a couple problems with it.
1) People have nostalgia of the old movies so their expectations are ridiculously high
2) The creators bringing it back are stupid enough to actually try to bring it back, so they don't really know what to appropriately do with it. They either change it too much or not enough "damned if you do, damned if you don't".
3) George Lucas.
4) They try to make it as significant as the old ones, and to do that they try to make it "a spectacular cinematic", which these days mean tons of CGI, Explosions, and ridiculous plots with a pretty young couple. That's not what the old movies were like.
1) People have nostalgia of the old movies so their expectations are ridiculously high
2) The creators bringing it back are stupid enough to actually try to bring it back, so they don't really know what to appropriately do with it. They either change it too much or not enough "damned if you do, damned if you don't".
3) George Lucas.
4) They try to make it as significant as the old ones, and to do that they try to make it "a spectacular cinematic", which these days mean tons of CGI, Explosions, and ridiculous plots with a pretty young couple. That's not what the old movies were like.
Not a fan of the movie myself, but I have to laugh at the people who are saying they thought it was ok up until the aliens at the very end. Really? You sat through the rest of the real flaws in the movie, while they're carrying around an alien shaped skull from Area 51 and then found out at the end that they were chasing aliens all along and jumped up yelling. "WHAT! It was aliens all along?? This whole movie is now rubbish!"？Are you sure you're not just jumping on the "Fucking aliens!!!" bandwagon?
On the real point though, the fact it was aliens wasn't the dealbreaker for me. Think about the setting. It's set in the period when the alien hype was really ablaze, as was the cold war. Nazi's were the in thing when the other movies were set, commies and aliens when the 4th movie was set. It doesn't even change the genre to science fiction. I can't recall the movie making any attempt to explain anything with science. It's just weird alien shit, just like the grail and arc are weird god shit.
As for the aliens being out of place with the archaeology, a lot of myths abound about aliens having a hand in early civilisation, such as the building of the pyramids and the giant stone patterns in south america. I know someone is going to say something about it being completely different from religious myths, but is it really any less believable than the Arc of the Convenant filled with ghost faces? You can see where they're coming from by making that their focus right?
The real problem wasn't that there were aliens in the first place, it's that the idea was very poorly executed.
On the real point though, the fact it was aliens wasn't the dealbreaker for me. Think about the setting. It's set in the period when the alien hype was really ablaze, as was the cold war. Nazi's were the in thing when the other movies were set, commies and aliens when the 4th movie was set. It doesn't even change the genre to science fiction. I can't recall the movie making any attempt to explain anything with science. It's just weird alien shit, just like the grail and arc are weird god shit.
As for the aliens being out of place with the archaeology, a lot of myths abound about aliens having a hand in early civilisation, such as the building of the pyramids and the giant stone patterns in south america. I know someone is going to say something about it being completely different from religious myths, but is it really any less believable than the Arc of the Convenant filled with ghost faces? You can see where they're coming from by making that their focus right?
The real problem wasn't that there were aliens in the first place, it's that the idea was very poorly executed.
I already made a list of them.sicsfo said:
Do you think it's perhaps a little deluded that there is some sort of conspiracy against this movie? That it's actually an infallible movie of a beloved franchise that the masses just decided, "Hey. Let's really fuck with some people not in the know and DISLIKE this movie! We'll be like Freemasons but just hating like 'omgthebestmovieeverrrr!!!'"?
Look you like the movie and that's fine. But do not undermine the people who didn't.
Heck, I don't know why people hate it so much. Ford still plays in it, maybe it's not as good as the older ones, but heck, if I'll see a DVD of it, I'll still buy.
Everyone has their own taste, some people love it, some people hate it. There is no point to it.
Everyone has their own taste, some people love it, some people hate it. There is no point to it.
I haven't seem it, and i refuse to. There are some things that can't/shouldn't be revived. Indy is one of them.
Isn't this evidence enough?!
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=45389826
Isn't this evidence enough?!
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=45389826
Everyone who criticizes it is a nostalgic dick-head? Hmmmm, or maybe your just one of those people who accepts anything up their ass.624 said:
I love it how you keep doing THIS and that you think everybody is the same. Yes everyone with a different opinion is a dick head and is wrong.
More reasons are given by more sensible people. Read the first fucking page next time, eh?sicsfo said:
Anyway, to the OP, I thought Indy 4 was--in it's best shots-- an average film. it was fun to watch in some parts, but also very aggravating and annoying in others.
I was just going to list off some reasons, but this person said exactly what I wanted to say.
Exterminas said:
The pacing felt all wrong and there was nothing gripping (for me anyway).
..........oh wait
AND FUCKING ALIENS!!!
..........oh wait
AND FUCKING ALIENS!!!
Yo BT, I?m really happy for you enjoying Crystal Skull, I?ll let you finish, but it has one of the worst plotpoints of all time. Even against those, it's the worst of all time!Baby Tea said:
Reason: All the above are daring, heroic, pulp and generally badass. Aliens are a DEUS EX MACHINAE with NO foreshadow. Even the facemelting has a huge foreshadowing, and "reality" within the rules of pulps.
In fact, the "reality" of the aliens is what kills it. Pulps should have NO grounding in reality. If Indy had survived the nuke by hiding behind the Ark, or holding the Grail...it would have worked. Equally if you never saw the aliens, it would have worked.
Like Signs, the film works RIGHT UP UNTIL you see the Aliens, and then everyone starts laughing.