What's with all the Modern Warefare 3 Hate?

[JimmyC99]

I think its just that there are much better games out there that deserve CODs level of financial success and popularity.

i think this this is it, take even popular games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, the Fallouts these are great games, far exceeding CoD or Battlefield. at least there better to me, i prefer a game thats deeper then kill as many dudes that spawn and maby kill some more.

and even going into the really deep, or fun indy games like Amnesia, the problem is not that CoD is bad, is that CoD earns the money that other games should.

 

[mrdude2010]

What has been different in each game that warrants 60 dollars?

I do love the series though, it keeps the stupid people off my games.

but how do you get rid of the arrogent people?

forcing them to spell "arrogant" properly =p jkjk, but for future reference

and sadly, arrogant people will always be in video games. go to the bungie forum and you will see what i'm talking about. most of the people on that forum are either complete idiots or complete idiots who think their k/d in big team battle makes them a god. even in games with large skill gaps, the people on the upper end of the skill gap tend to be arrogant douchecones.

 

[RadioactiveMicrobe]

What has been different in each game that warrants 60 dollars?

I do love the series though, it keeps the stupid people off my games.

but how do you get rid of the arrogent people?

forcing them to spell "arrogant" properly =p jkjk, but for future reference

and sadly, arrogant people will always be in video games. go to the bungie forum and you will see what i'm talking about. most of the people on that forum are either complete idiots or complete idiots who think their k/d in big team battle makes them a god. even in games with large skill gaps, the people on the upper end of the skill gap tend to be arrogant douchecones.

I was hoping you'd mention Bungie's Reach forum.

 

[mrdude2010]

I think the biggest problem I have with COD is that it's had a rather chilling effect on innovation in the shooter genre.

Which keeps people making ADS shooters, or at least shooters that borrow heavily.

Aim Down Sights has been the best mechanic added to shooters since the twin stick.

The appeal of an FPS in the first place is to feel more immersed so that you are seeing through the eyes of the character you are playing, and when the character you are playing manages to kill hundreds of enemies by shooting from the hip, it gets a tad bit ridiculous. It's lazy game design if you won't go to the trouble of doing ADS.

CoD saved the FPS genre, not destroyed it.

OT: People hate what is popular. People hate Activision. It's pretty much as simple as that.

realistic isn't always fun. their's nothing wrong with designing multiplayer around fast moving, dynamic, exciting multiplayer experiences that lack ADS and require quicker, more accurate aiming and character tracking a la quake. also, i find it hard to be immersed by ADS when some idiot runs around gunning half my team down with akimbo shotguns, and i respawn within seconds of dying. you know what would be really immersive? if you died and couldn't respawn for the rest of the game's length, because it would be so realistic. that doesn't make it fun though.

i would say that ADS has been a positive addition to the shooter genre, but trying to shoehorn it into games it doesn't belong in makes those games worse, not better.

 

[Pyroguekenesis]

The thing is about IGN, watch all their videos carefully... and you might notice that they have a really annoying tendency to compare everything to CoD. Even games like James Bond were compared to it and it was in no way similar to it beside shooting... To them CoD is the epitome of FPS and it does get on your nerves when they seem to rate games rather biasly.

So yeah, I am not surprised. Also, MW3 I think was...very rushed... compared to many other games that were coming out this seemed to be coming out quicker than usual and not much of a noticeable change is seen. Eg. Graphics looking exactly the same, only small changes like a new mortar/sniper thing and a reflex sight changer. I like both BF3 and MW3 series of games because I'm fairly adaptable in my playstyle, I want to play a game that provides a new experience. BF3 is looking really good atm with graphics (Yes, yes I know... graphics dont make a game perfect, eg. Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Zelda, Rayman) and mechanics but MW3 doesn't look like it really changed much, and I don't want to play something that seems to have the "I've done this before" now feeling, unless they are aiming to do that.

Also, what I don't like about CoD is how they depict war.In the BF and MoH series, there is a feeling that these are like real people, they have families etc. In the new MoH, despite the somewhat bad sales release had a incredibly good ending. In CoD they tend to glorify war, and believe me I have seen loads of YouTube comments about people wanting to join the army cause they assume the know everything about army protocol and weapons from CoD - perhaps the reason why people hate the fanboys are because of this.

In addition perhaps, is the fact that because of the crappy releases (according to people) of CoD recently, is that all the gamers are going to transition along to BF3 with the same mindset and playstyle in CoD that doesn't work in BF with lone-wolfing - that's a possibility.

 

[Treblaine]

People are finally getting sick of the mindless run-n-gun nonsense ?

>Iron-sights
>run n gun

pick one

Sorry to get all 4chan but the problem with COD is how much it has slwoed down and how linear it is, compare Modern Warfare 3 with Time Crisis 3:

(skip to 6:30 to get past intros)


Worryingly similar, though Time Crisis 2 look like it is more fun, certainly more fast paced.

Sure MW3 you have a left thumbstick for movement but the game is so linear and contained with such predictable cover it might as well be an on rails lightgun shooter.

I would actually be fully in favour of porting MW3 to Wii as an on-rails shooter like dead-space-extraction and I know when you stay on railed you are able to achieve much better graphics (rendering just what is in field of view, not full 360 environments).

Run and gun games are things like quake, Serious sam, painkiller and so on. Games where you can aim without needing to use iron sights and shoot accurately while moving fast dodging bullet, rockets, throwing axes and so on... serious shortage of games like that.

 

[mrdude2010]

What has been different in each game that warrants 60 dollars?

I do love the series though, it keeps the stupid people off my games.

but how do you get rid of the arrogent people?

forcing them to spell "arrogant" properly =p jkjk, but for future reference

and sadly, arrogant people will always be in video games. go to the bungie forum and you will see what i'm talking about. most of the people on that forum are either complete idiots or complete idiots who think their k/d in big team battle makes them a god. even in games with large skill gaps, the people on the upper end of the skill gap tend to be arrogant douchecones.

I was hoping you'd mention Bungie's Reach forum.

It's very difficult to maintain faith in humanity after visiting that forum.

 

[mrdude2010]

What has been different in each game that warrants 60 dollars?

I do love the series though, it keeps the stupid people off my games.

but how do you get rid of the arrogent people?

forcing them to spell "arrogant" properly =p jkjk, but for future reference

and sadly, arrogant people will always be in video games. go to the bungie forum and you will see what i'm talking about. most of the people on that forum are either complete idiots or complete idiots who think their k/d in big team battle makes them a god. even in games with large skill gaps, the people on the upper end of the skill gap tend to be arrogant douchecones.

The bungie forums WHY WOULD YOU SENT ME THEIR.

arrogant morons at their finest (or least fine, depending on your point of view)

 

[badmunky64]

haters gonna hate.

Nothing wrong with a simple run and gun that has tight controls and gets the adrenaline pumping.

 

[42]

Why does everyone just want innovation in something. sure some people might want a good expensive innovative meal, but sometimes we just want a good ol burrito. and Call of Duty can be considered a burrito.

 

[Triforceformer]

Because it's going to be the same shit, different year. And it will sell more copies than any entertainment thing ever despite that. Again. Believe me, I am happily anticipating the day where one of two things happens.

1. People realize that they've been playing the exact same fucking game for upwards of 4-5 years now. So that year's game and the series as a whole crashes and burns in deliciously tragic flames.

2. Someone on the dev team realizes Number 1 is going to happen if they don't actually change things. Then that year's Call of Duty will actually evolve compared to the last one.

I'd love for the first to happen because I love to she shit that doesn't deserve its success to die painfully. I wouldn't mind the 2nd option because it would mean that the dev team realizes they can't keep pulling this shit forever.

 

[mateushac]

I kind of miss cod 1 and 2, they used to be some pretty awesome games, but people don't even remember those existed anymore...

(still nobody will ever steal my heart from deadly dozen. I will love it forever and ever!)

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I like COD. All of them. Well... the campaigns at least.

They always manage to find some way to include one or two perks or features that fuck the multiplayer up for everyone, whether it be 3XFrag, Martyrdom, Noob Tubes, OMA, Commando, MP40 Jugg, Ghost, Second Chance, horrible hit detection....

Yet the way the game feels, plays and controls keeps me coming back. No other shooter feels as fluid and responsive to me (big part of that is due to 60FPS).

 

[Warrior Irme]

I think its just that there are much better games out there that deserve CODs level of financial success and popularity.

The problem I have with this argument is that if the game deserves the financial success it could get it with enough effort from the publisher, but let's face it, marketing isn't that great when it comes to gaming. If a publisher had put enough focus on advertising for games that are "much better" as you put it then they could see the same success. Hating one game, because another game has a publisher that hasn't planned ahead, or isn't doing advertising after the launch is just dumb.

 

[Cobalt180]

I think the main reason MW3 is facing so much scrutiny is because the CoD series has run for so long and hasn't changed much. The series was once praised for the way it flowed, trying to keep the characters as human as possible. In Black Ops, the focus seemed more like watching a series of explosions, both on-screen, and plot related, nothing flowed, the characters were all gritty and dark, almost completely unlikable, and for a game that called itself "Black Ops" it didn't seem to have as much subtlety, it was almost schizophrenic in it's action sequences. MW3 seems to have only gotten worse, with, scripted explosions that are supposed to convey the truth that this is the s**t hitting the fan, but comes off as trite action, just another explosion in a screen filled with them.

Overall, MW3 doesn't stand out much, the series is spreading itself over to many fronts like the Nazis you defeated in the first game did back in 1945, and, in the same way, has suffered for it's lack of real continuity.


On a less spoken note, how many main protagonists have there been in the MW series? And I wonder if the main character will meet the same fate that his predecessor in MW2 met.

 

[Rule Britannia]

Calling CoD repetitive is dumb off the top of my head I can name two game franchises that are more repetitive than CoD.

Pokemon. Count how many pokemon games there are including spin offs, you'll be counting a long time.

Final Fantasy. 15 games I haven't played a single one of them but 15 games is a lot CoD is up to 8 or 9 and they always add different modes or playlists to them.

CoD has good multiplayer. There's a reason so many people play it, there are definitely games that 'deserve' it more for example the battlefield franchise but CoD is a great game either way.

 

[Ldude893]

Call of Duty is to video games as Michael Bay films are to movies. They're full grade action-explosion porn that while people dislike and bash for their repetitiveness and overall quality, the market's going to be boring without it and there's still people who's going to hand over money to consume them.