What's wrong with prostitution?

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Danz D Man

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Another of my journals. I don't really know why I'm posting them, but maybe they'll provoke good discussion.

So, I can't think of anything else, so I'll do a controversial one. Is prostitution ethical? (You asked for it). Taking ethics based solely on religion aside (the bible verse or whatever) then is there anything inherently wrong with it? All it essentially doing is providing a service. Is that inherently different than any other service? It's truly just the institution of marriage (or at least mostly) that is keeping this illegal. From a Utilitarian view, the buyer obviously gets pleasure (heh heh) and the provider gets paid. Now, I haven't looked into any long term psychological factors, so I won't bring that up. But I suppose the possibility exists for long term damage.
This act is only wrong from a deontological view if you see the act itself as wrong. Is it the sex that's wrong? Pre-marital sex is increasing in our society, and is hardly even frowned upon these days. Or is it that it is for money? I understand the argument that some people are "trapped" in this role, and I agree that that's a bad thing. But here's my solution: legalize prostitution. For one, it would actually aid the prostitutes. Legalization would give cause for the government to set up "brothels" or the like, which would have to promote safe practices or else face legal consequences. Therefore, STD's would not be as much of a factor. It would also stop the prostitutes from being trapped by a "pimp" (I don't know the inner working of a prostitution organization) and would be a steady source of income. This would also be a massive source of revenue for the government, which is a good thing for them. It seems like legalizing prostitution is only a bad thing for the people who simply think it's morally wrong (and everyone has a right to their opinion). However, it aides everyone involved except for the people they dislike most (the abusive pimps), so that argument is basically invalid. So, I believe that the legalization of prostitution would not be morally wrong (though I probably wouldn't partake in the activity).

**By the way, these are assigned journals that we needed to come up with for Theory of Knowledge (we were assigned four journals on "ethics"). That's why I said "you asked for it." Referring to my teacher. Not the Escapist population.
 

Soushi

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guess i should comment before this thread gets locked.
I guess decriminalizing it would be a step towards erasing the gangs and thugs that live off of prostitution. However... i am worried about the possible spread of STD's though, even in government operates facilities. Then again, some women and men see it as the only way to make money, unfortunate, but true. It is such a creepy and sticky issue that it is difficult to really talk about. to be honest.. i think that physical love is just as important as emotional love, and should not be treated like a commodity. then again, I think that humans have the right to make thier own choices. However, more definitely needs to be done to protect those who engage in prostitution.
 

StarStruckStrumpets

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Taking into account biblical morals only, ever heard the "body is a temple" thing? Following some rather screwed up logic, our bodies are temples of the lord and we should respect them...or something. I can't remember the full process, but it is similar. That alone is biblical reason enough to say, yes, it is wrong. However, if I were to go by my own views, I do not have a problem with it, but more needs to be done to ensure safety for both parties.

Soushi said:
guess i should comment before this thread gets locked.
I guess decriminalizing it would be a step towards erasing the gangs and thugs that live off of prostitution. However... i am worried about the possible spread of STD's though, even in government operates facilities. Then again, some women and men see it as the only way to make money, unfortunate, but true. It is such a creepy and sticky issue that it is difficult to really talk about. to be honest.. i think that physical love is just as important as emotional love, and should not be treated like a commodity. then again, I think that humans have the right to make thier own choices. However, more definitely needs to be done to protect those who engage in prostitution.
You just had to call it a sticky issue, didn't you?
 

SnootyEnglishman

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If it's legalized there may be less gangs and stuff but still there might be a rise of STD's running around the landscape. Maybe there should be a bargain deal like "every 10 hookers paid for you get a free STD vaccine" or something don't take that seriously.
 

Vanguard_Ex

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Actually no, I didn't ask for this, but, ok.

The problem lies with all the implications into the crime underworld that prositution can cause. Competition between pimps, which would then lead to murder, etc...it's a bit like the laws against cannabis.
 

Danz D Man

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Soushi said:
guess i should comment before this thread gets locked.
I guess decriminalizing it would be a step towards erasing the gangs and thugs that live off of prostitution. However... i am worried about the possible spread of STD's though, even in government operates facilities. Then again, some women and men see it as the only way to make money, unfortunate, but true. It is such a creepy and sticky issue that it is difficult to really talk about. to be honest.. i think that physical love is just as important as emotional love, and should not be treated like a commodity. then again, I think that humans have the right to make thier own choices. However, more definitely needs to be done to protect those who engage in prostitution.
I see no reason why this should get locked if we're mature about it. I agree with you about love, and I would not engage in it. But legalizing it would help the prostitutes themselves, and obviously prostitution already happens, so you can't really say that legalizing it would make it any more a commodity (ignore the terrible grammar in that sentence).
 

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Soushi said:
However... i am worried about the possible spread of STD's though, even in government operates facilities.
Yeah but wouldn't it be better than it is now though? If legalized there can be mandatory checkups and regular testing. Also, what seems to be the biggest problem with illegal prostitution is the women being abused, by clients, by pimps, by whatever, because if they get raped or beaten or whatever, they can't go to the police as what they're doing is illegal. Hell, if it was legal, I'd be a manwhore. Getting paid to have sex? Fun city.
 

Kiefer13

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People should be allowed to make their own choices. The government can't stop two people from having sexual relations with each other provided it's consensual and both people are of legal age, so why is it suddenly different when money changes hands?
 

Danz D Man

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Kiefer13 said:
People should be allowed to make their own choices. The government can't stop two people from having sexual relations with each other provided it's consensual and both people are of legal age, so why is it suddenly different when money changes hands?
That's exactly one of the points I'm trying to make.
 

dreadedcandiru99

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As George Carlin put it, "Selling is legal, fucking is legal--why isn't selling fucking legal? Why is it illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?"
 

Danz D Man

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grimhammer said:
Soushi said:
However... i am worried about the possible spread of STD's though, even in government operates facilities.
Yeah but wouldn't it be better than it is now though? If legalized there can be mandatory checkups and regular testing. Also, what seems to be the biggest problem with illegal prostitution is the women being abused, by clients, by pimps, by whatever, because if they get raped or beaten or whatever, they can't go to the police as what they're doing is illegal. Hell, if it was legal, I'd be a manwhore. Getting paid to have sex? Fun city.
That's what I'm trying to get at, legalization would stop the spread of STD's more than increase it.
 

Asimov

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Well, I think that the only reason prostitution shouldn't be legal is STD's, but that can be dealt with because if brothels became legal they would have rules, like maybe the mandatory use of condoms or something.
 

FungTheDestroy

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Prostitution is like abortion.

It's a woman's democratic right to have control over her own body. Making abortion illegal takes away that democratic right of freedom. The same could be said about prostitution.

Making prostitution legal would give way to the rise of legal places of practice, where safe practice could be maintained. Safe practice and protection from abusive customers. Also, it would take a massive step in keeping the underage children off the streets.

The majority of prostitutes are actually below the age of 14. Making it legal would help prevent this.

By the way: I did not read the original post. Too long. Too late at night.

Edit: I'll read it later.
 

Twilight_guy

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Prostitution from a non-religious standpoint and assuming both parties are not forced (by one factor or another) is fine. The problem is that many prostitutes would rather be doing something else and have to do that line of work due to the need for money and the inability to find another job (or keep it or whatever).

Legalizing prostitution will never happen due to our country being founded on a judeo-Christan system which frowns on prostitution. Arguing it's moral implications is a moot point if it will never happen.
 

Danz D Man

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Wow, this is actually a really good discussion. Sadly, I have to go to sleep. I'll see if there's anything to respond to further in the afternoon.
 

jonnosferatu

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States in which Prostitution is legal have massively lower STD rates among their prostitutes than those of other states. See Amsterdam.

But yeah, I seriously don't get why it's illegal outside of the stupid zealous bitching on morals, given that it's perfectly legal for a woman to JUST HAPPEN to have sex with a guy she just met, who JUST HAPPENS to give her a few hundred dollars as, say, a means of covering the gas she'll need to get home. It's not as though having it illegalized is, y'know, STOPPING it.
 

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dreadedcandiru99 said:
As George Carlin put it, "Selling is legal, fucking is legal--why isn't selling fucking legal? Why is it illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?"
Another good one from a smart person, Doug Stanhope:
"Someone who really needs a blowjob meets someone who just really needs $40, you'd think Perfect Couple, but No! Someone's goin' to the pokey!"

You ever hear in gun control discussions when someone will say "Outlaw guns and only Outlaws will have guns"? It's the exact same thing with drugs and prostitution. Decriminalization not only makes these practices safer, economically advantageous, and controllable, but it also reduces REAL CRIME, such as human trafficking of sex slaves.
Prostitution in this country was outlawed at the same time as booze and drugs (mainly cannabis), and the only one that got back in was booze. I guess because if all else fails, at least you can poison yourself to the point where you pass out.
For a better discussion, point yourself towards Penn & Teller: Bullshit!
They have a great episode about prostitution where they actually investigate the legal brothels in Nevada.
Edit: Oh yeah I have a theory about how it's taking so long for reform of prohibition laws to actually come around. Pretty much anyone in government is scared shitless (shitless gets spell-checked?) of getting run out of office by an angry voter population to actually do the right thing.
 

The Infinite

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Isn't it already Legal in certain places? Like in Nevada? Since state law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be checked weekly for several sexually transmitted diseases and monthly for HIV; furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. (Source Wiki)

So I guess it's working there.

EDIT: OT: Your Taking Full Diploma for IB? Or is ToK in other systems I'm unsure about...?
 

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I fully agree. Girls should be able tot take prostitution classes through high school and do at least 20 hours of community service.

Also with brothels and whatnot its legal in some places.