Whats your stance on drug use?
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MYTH, spend ten seconds looking it up for yourself.faranar said:
-Marijuana does lead to addiction with regular use. I'm generally willing to cut it some slack because a truly recreational user is unlikely to become addicted, even in the long term. Regular use however has been shown to lead to both physical and mental addiction.
-Pot users are four times as likely to have a heart attack during the peak of their high, however, no overall increase to heart health risk while not on the influence has been recorded.
-Marijuana smoke contains over fifty percent more carcinogens than tobacco smoke, however, the one properly done study on the link between that and lung cancer showed no correlation, which seems to defy all logic. Regular pot smokers do however experience many of the same respiratory symptoms as tobacco smokers, from infections to issues with pleghm to reduced lung capacity. They also typically accumulate 3-5 times more tar compared to the same rate of tobacco use, most likely due to the common habit of holding the smoke in the lungs for long periods.
It is indeed destructive to one's health, mind and attitude. Its saving graces, and the only reasons I'm willing to tolerate it, are the fact that it is comparatively mild, and its health benefits for a small handful of cancer patients.
That's true, but those people are not really the people we're really talking about when we refer to "recreational drug users", we're really referring to the addicts here, and anyway, it's idiotic to take the risk that you could end up addicted regardless. Besides, even if you only take a recreational drug ONCE can still get you arrested or killed, (tobacco probably won't, but the risk of death is still there) it's just less likely than a guy that's so addicted he ends up O.D.ing.fenrizz said:
I say people should be able to do whatever drugs they want.
The lighter drugs like alcohol and weed should be legal in many public places.
The really dangerous stuff like PCP I think should still be legal, but only if you consent to being locked up alone for the duration.
The lighter drugs like alcohol and weed should be legal in many public places.
The really dangerous stuff like PCP I think should still be legal, but only if you consent to being locked up alone for the duration.
I would have said those people were pretty much exactly who we are talking about when we refer to "recreational drug users". If we were talking about addicts we would use the term "drug addicts" or "problem drug users". Pretty much all the academic literature I've seen on the subject makes that distinction very clear.immortalfrieza said:
Maybe that's what you mean but it's very much out of whack with what everyone else means so it would be a good idea to define your terms properly otherwise you're just going to cause a lot of confusion.
The problem with giving drugs credit for discoveries and inventions and so on, is that you're just assuming causation on something that is actually a correlation. The problem with assuming that recreational drug use=invention is that back when these so called "great minds" were inventing stuff, practically EVERYBODY was taking some sort of recreational drug either because it was medicial at the time or laws prohibiting recreational drugs wasn't really very well enforced, so there wasn't any reason not to.revjor said:
Look at enough great scientists that made groundbreaking discoveries and you'll find at least a few that took drugs, but that doesn't necessarily mean the drugs had anything to do with their genius. Who's to say that it would have made any difference whether they took drugs or not in whether they discovered anything?
Who's to say? Probably the people themselves. For example "What if I had not taken LSD ever; would I have still invented PCR?" He replied, "I don't know. I doubt it. I seriously doubt it." - Kary Mullis on developing polymerase chain reactions.immortalfrieza said:
Drugs like LSD or the half dozen won't magically turn you into a genius. But if you are already one you will think in ways you NEVER would have otherwise. and that can produce results like figuring out how to clone pieces of DNA.
Cannabis should be Gedoogd like in holland
1:Smoking and possessing it is illegal but the police wont trouble or fine you.
2
roduction is illegal but the police wont ask the shop's any questions.
3:It cant contain more than 15% THC or the police WILL bust down your door.
With this the police can focus all it's anti drug efforts on the real dangerous stuff and dont need to waste time on other stuff like kid's wanna relax after their exam.
And if the police needs to they can kill a coffieshop before you can say "It is illegal"
1:Smoking and possessing it is illegal but the police wont trouble or fine you.
2
roduction is illegal but the police wont ask the shop's any questions.3:It cant contain more than 15% THC or the police WILL bust down your door.
With this the police can focus all it's anti drug efforts on the real dangerous stuff and dont need to waste time on other stuff like kid's wanna relax after their exam.
And if the police needs to they can kill a coffieshop before you can say "It is illegal"
If you're capable of thinking up something while on drugs, you're just as capable, possibly even more capable of thinking up that same thing without them. Just because a select few people decided to take drugs and while on them coincidentally thought up something brillant doesn't mean that drugs=thinking up something brillant, whether you're a genius or not. In fact with many drugs they'd impair your ability to think correctly and thus your ability to think up anything brillant, in fact some may even cause permanent brain damage and thus they may even PERMANENTLY prevent you from ever thinking up anything good, even if you would have been able to otherwise.revjor said:
Marijuana has improved my life in quite a few ways, but I can see how it could be overused. I only have a few experiences with LSD, mushrooms, and ecstacy, and each one I feel could have benefits if their production was regulated and held to a specific standard, instead of from a dealer who tells you "this is the shit".
Conversely, I'll drink alcohol when I'm with friends and want to loosen up, but I find myself doing less and less of that. I haven't even touched alcohol in several months. It doesn't improve my life in any way, and I feel a lot healthier when I don't use it. I'm not against the use of alcohol at all (as long as it doesn't lead to driving or 2 AM phone calls), but I think it's funny that something that has proven to be more harmful and addictive than any of the drugs I mentioned is more or less accepted just because it's been part of the culture for longer.
Conversely, I'll drink alcohol when I'm with friends and want to loosen up, but I find myself doing less and less of that. I haven't even touched alcohol in several months. It doesn't improve my life in any way, and I feel a lot healthier when I don't use it. I'm not against the use of alcohol at all (as long as it doesn't lead to driving or 2 AM phone calls), but I think it's funny that something that has proven to be more harmful and addictive than any of the drugs I mentioned is more or less accepted just because it's been part of the culture for longer.
Marijuana is far safer than alcohol (as in, it can't even kill you), and should absolutely be legal. The only reason it isn't is because of political bullshit. Same with shrooms, which have some massive psychological benefits for people with mental illnesses. It straight-up CURES obsessive compulsive disorder and OCD-related depression, yet it can't even be truly studied in the US because of FDA bullshit.
As for other drugs, I plan on trying almost every single one at least once in my life, barring the extremely stupid ones like meth.
Even heroin, if I'm on my deathbed already, is fair game to me. Might as well, right?
Until that point though, normal drugs are fair game for me and others morally-speaking as long as it doesn't interfere a lot with normal life, like any other activity. It's the same as, say, someone that plays video games. As long as it doesn't wreck your life and you're safe: go for it. And if you're already playing some video games...why not spice up the games with some external pleasure? Once they're legal in your jurisdiction, of course.
I have personally tried weed, alcohol, and shrooms before, and once took double the dose of cough medicine not expecting to get high off of it.
As for other drugs, I plan on trying almost every single one at least once in my life, barring the extremely stupid ones like meth.
Even heroin, if I'm on my deathbed already, is fair game to me. Might as well, right?
Until that point though, normal drugs are fair game for me and others morally-speaking as long as it doesn't interfere a lot with normal life, like any other activity. It's the same as, say, someone that plays video games. As long as it doesn't wreck your life and you're safe: go for it. And if you're already playing some video games...why not spice up the games with some external pleasure? Once they're legal in your jurisdiction, of course.
I have personally tried weed, alcohol, and shrooms before, and once took double the dose of cough medicine not expecting to get high off of it.
You are ignoring what I just said and just reiterating your point. There are drugs which cause you to think in drastically different ways and yes there are many more which could easily break your brain forever. But there are ways of thinking on certain drugs that the same person wouldn't achieve sober, synethesia being an example. They aren't necesarry but it does happen and has produced results that have propelled humanity. You can say maybe it would have happened without drug induced thought, but they did happen and flipside is also true. These discoveries may have never happened when they did or ever without drugs.immortalfrieza said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNR9xxkUaDk&feature=fvwrel
Just watch some of his stuff, he's got a real positive attitude.
Just watch some of his stuff, he's got a real positive attitude.
It's funny how this topic always seems to sprout one or two heated discussions between extreme pro and extreme contra. And of course a lot of free choice advocates missing a few points.
In any way, I shan't take active part in this argument since I simply cannot be bovvered today to defend my stance of even adding an alcohol ban but I wish you all good fun. Go, my side!
In any way, I shan't take active part in this argument since I simply cannot be bovvered today to defend my stance of even adding an alcohol ban but I wish you all good fun. Go, my side!