When Did Our Teachers Become Pansies?

[Toriver]

One of the few good social commentaries I've seen on Family Guy was when the kids at Meg's school asked, "Hey, you wanna go push the janitor around knowing he can't legally push us back?" How true. While I can see how parents could be upset if a teacher were to go overboard with the discipline, I think that if the teacher believes the class is about to get out of control, they should have the option of calling in someone to assist with discipline so the teacher can actually spend their time teaching.

 

[Stoic raptor]

Hey I remember you. Didnt you complain about your teammates in another thread not too long ago?

 

[Ryokai]

Maybe in your country. I went to a school where we had a ton of freedom, (Once drank an entire bottle of scotch in class--Yes, I can hear you going "Suuuuuure" but believe me, I've taken so much medication that I'm ridiculously resistant to all mind altering substances) but the teachers knew had to draw the lines. I mean, I had a teacher who would hit us when he got annoyed (we took it in stride, and laughed even as he did it... though it did hurt, this guy was an ox, but it was all in good fun.)

 

[zHellas]

A social Studies teacher at my old school doesn't care what parents think. He carries around a golf club, throws student's objects out his second story window (which he disabled the suicide lock), and calls kids dumbasses and retards (although, only when they are actually being stupid). He's a crazy old man.

If only my World History teacher did that...

Then he would be the most fucking awesome teacher ever!!!(He was already awesome)

 

[SlingingRobin]

With both my parents as teachers, i understand how frustrating kids these days can be. They constantly are rudely interrupted with rude and annoying comments, and i personally think that kids who are that disrupted do not deserve to be in a learning environment. It doesn't help my opinion that most of these students are in my classes.

 

[kirbyfan8]

I had a really awesome Japanese teacher who had to leave school halfway through the year because of her pregnancy. She kept us in line and we learned a whole lot.

Then we were given a permanent sub who is a complete pushover. The troublemakers of the class spend the whole time on their cell phones, or just leaving class. At this point, one of them just brings his mac to class every day and just uses it in plain sight.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

With both my parents as teachers, i understand how frustrating kids these days can be. They constantly are rudely interrupted with rude and annoying comments, and i personally think that kids who are that disrupted do not deserve to be in a learning environment. It doesn't help my opinion that most of these students are in my classes.

Tell me about it. I'm a Software Trainer by trade and adults are only marginally better than kids in terms of interrupting. The good thing is I have a bit of an imposing presence and the day I learned to use it to wrestle control (not literally) of the class back off some students was an enlightening experience.

 

[Blatherscythe]

Hey I remember you. Didnt you complain about your teammates in another thread not too long ago?

Yeah I'm a whiny ***** at times.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I'll tell you how this happened. It happened when parents started getting up the teacher's ass if they dared try to discipline their kid. "Lil'Johnny" sees this and in a snap figures out that all he has to do to get the teacher off his back is run home crying to mommy whenever the teacher tries to do anything to him that he doesn't like. And before you know it, teachers are afraid to do anything for fear of getting an army of angry parents up their asses.

 

[Jamieson 90]

I' am a Teacher and you would not believe how strict the health and safety/child safety regulations are.

Teacher's fearing for their jobs is the reason why it?s hard to discipline kids today. It?s got to the point where even if two kids are having a fight you can get into disciplinary action for intervening and separating them. You are supposed to talk to them and get them to stop, yeah if you had not already noticed diplomacy already failed... i.e. why their already knocking holes out of each other.

An image of Marge the squirrel from the Simpson's on the Itchy and Scratchy show saying "stop, STOP IT!" comes to mind, look what happened to her.....

 

[pwnzerstick]

Some of my teachers are able to actualy turn this around, they enter into a student conversation and bring it on topic, then he gets the whole class involved. We're all into a deep conversation about scientific ethics, and then we have no idea how we got there.

 

[Instinct Blues]

All I can say is that I plan on becoming a teacher I swear to God if some kid mouths off to me they'll be gone. Now I don't plan on being a hardass it's more of a don't mistake my kindness for weakness kind of deal. From what I've noticed as long as a teacher is generally nice and somewhat funny kids won't put up with kids who decide they're gonna be cool and test the teacher. At least thats been my experience in high school.

 

[Penguinness]

Misbehaving kids are given too many second chances, and there's only so much teachers can do. Kids know this, so generally telling them to stand outside the classroom just doesn't cut it.

All it takes is for one kid to start a fight or start throwing things around and a teacher grabs them to stop them and BAM they're not working there for a while.

 

[experiment0789]

Have any of you noticed that our teachers in schools have gotten less strict, less controlling of the class and generally have become push-overs? I've only recently noticed that respect for teacher authority has dropped drasticly over the past 3 years in middle school. Back in the day the rules were sit down, shut up, don't talk or your gone, now the teachers have lost their nerve and the class becomes a zoo. Kids text on phones, listen to Ipods when they should be working, kids are yacking non-stop and the teacher for the most part does nothing.

It's become so common that teachers usually won't resist or they'll get into an all out battle for control of the classroom, either way class time gets wasted. Marks have dropped, tests have become easier and still most kids get 65% on average. When the hell did this all happen? When did our teachers spend half the class telling everyone to be quiet? Why isn't anyone sent to detention, the ring-leaders are pretty obvious? When did our teachers become pansies?

How the fuck did this happen?

Yes I have, There are probably many reasons why respect for teacher authority has dropped faster then the temperature, in winter, in (insert name of a place with cold winters here).

Most of the reasons are summarized quite nicely in this document I'm putting at the bottom of this post.

Spoiler: Go to this website and Read this,all should become clear soon.

http://www.piffe.com/thinkery/obituary.phtml

You know..... now that you have me thinking, When Did Parents Become Pansies?

 

[Shynobee]

Have any of you noticed that our teachers in schools have gotten less strict, less controlling of the class and generally have become push-overs? I've only recently noticed that respect for teacher authority has dropped drasticly over the past 3 years in middle school. Back in the day the rules were sit down, shut up, don't talk or your gone, now the teachers have lost their nerve and the class becomes a zoo. Kids text on phones, listen to Ipods when they should be working, kids are yacking non-stop and the teacher for the most part does nothing.

It's become so common that teachers usually won't resist or they'll get into an all out battle for control of the classroom, either way class time gets wasted. Marks have dropped, tests have become easier and still most kids get 65% on average. When the hell did this all happen? When did our teachers spend half the class telling everyone to be quiet? Why isn't anyone sent to detention, the ring-leaders are pretty obvious? When did our teachers become pansies?

I find it ridiculous because they always talk up these teachers to be hardcases with zero tolerance for your bullshit and when you get there it's like they fear the class! Now they won't even adequatly punish a person who's out of control. How the fuck did this happen?

That's pretty much limited to public schools. I attended a private high school where the teachers were a lot more like what you refered to as teachers from "back in the day."

Hell, we had to sign a waiver of sorts at the beginning of each school year stating that we accept all school rules and any punishment that the school sees fit to administer for breaking them. Kids were literally thrown into garbage cans by teachers, and there was nothing we could do about it.

 

[rex922]

Misbehaving kids are given too many second chances, and there's only so much teachers can do. Kids know this, so generally telling them to stand outside the classroom just doesn't cut it.

All it takes is for one kid to start a fight or start throwing things around and a teacher grabs them to stop them and BAM they're not working there for a while.

kids are getting evil
or generally they have more balls because teacher now have less
DOOD!

 

[zehydra]

Parents became control-freak Nazis (not mine thankfully)

 

[rileyrulesu]

They just stopped caring, that's all there is too it! sure sometimes they could take me out to the hall and give me a speech, but that's too much effort. Here's my theory, With layoffs so abundant especially in public schools, They got rid of most of the new teachers. How long a teacher works and how much a teacher likes kids are inversely proportional for obvious reasons. Also this leads to larger class sizes, Which help the blood to be pumped faster and become more pressurized. In the end, it is so much easier to do nothing than to try to control the class.

 

[Dags90]

How many schools have you gone to? Unless you work in the education system, I highly doubt that you have experience in more than four schools and that's still an unlikely bet. I would actually wager that you've only gone to the one high school and you're probably not even finished with that. From this, what the hell makes you think you're aware of the changes that have occured at every school? Your school might have changed but other schools may have not, assuming that all schools are on the slippery slope to mediocrity based on your personal experience is an extreme example of idiocy. If I gave you a white dog would you then claim that all dogs are white?

Whats more interesting is that you way well be correct, in a way. America is generally ranked poorly compared to other countries in it's teaching and this hasn't been improving over the years. Thing is though, this change has been taking place for many years, not in the short jump from middle school to high school that you've witnessed. I'm kind of annoyed because this thread could have been about something more than just personal reflections that don't really represent anything, a comparison of stats and what have you.

This.

Part of going through adolescence is finding your own identity and this often leads to challenging authority and conflict. I wouldn't say that as I grew up the people around me that were my age (including myself) challenged teachers more as much as I would say that they challenged adults more, teachers included.