When Did Our Teachers Become Pansies?

[Laxman9292]

Personally I do not feel that this is the case, at least at my school. This pretty much describes my teachers, but they act this way because they try to simulate an authentic college experience. They teach, but if you do not want to pay attention and goof off instead then they leave you behind as they keep teaching. Professors do not give a shit if you like them, if you show up for class, or even if you pay attention. Better to learn it in high school than in college.

 

[laststandman]

Personally I think that schools should be intellectual proving grounds, where when the intelligent and able become visible, more attention is payed towards them, so that they may have the greatest impact on the future. Those who do not should be taught vocationally to keep the gears of their nations well-oiled and functioning.

You know whats awesome? You have just described what public schooling was like before the department of education. Now, what you describe is referred to as "tracking." See, parents don't like the idea of their kids being stupid, and thus placed in classes that have lower expectations of their abilities. So, every class is equalized to teach at the same rate.

Hoo-fucking-ray.

Please tell me if you are being sarcastic, because I don't know whether or not to argue my point further.

Absolutely not. Dead serious. The idea of standardizing education with a bureaucratic government entity is the reason education is so fucked, currently.

Yes! Shit like the No Child Left Behind Act is making it so that people who have no right to be learning certain course material dumb it down and clog up the system. Just last Saturday I went to MLK High School (NYC) to take my SAT IIs, and during the break I was looking at some of their "star work." An 80 is considered amazing there, and the grades were entirely based off of grammar. The assignment was "who are you," and nobody wrote over a page. There you have a waste in two fields: a waste in qualified teachers serving as babysitters and a waste in potential manpower (albeit it teenagers) who could take their apparent dedication to appearances (you should have seen some of these kids), and give them the means to make and waste their money by teaching how to be mechanics and other vocational jobs.

If you did that, maybe the employment of foreigners would lower a little.

 

[Mordwyl]

I can't wait to see the little shits in the world of adults looking for employment.

 

[rekabdarb]

HEEY i saw a facebook group called i support pheobe's law and it's about stricter... something in school and how a kid killed herself because she was something i don't remember. All i remember is that everyone was like "YEAH IT'S THE STUDENTS FAULT FOR MAKING FUN OF HER" ... to which i joined for about 1 hour and said my high school sucked yeah, when i was verbally abused in a class called AVID (which the entire class is supposed to be about kids who are above their marks and heading for college and are mature) the teacher did jackshit, even contributing. You know what i did? i stopped caring about it and didn't put a 12 gauge to my fucking skull. So no it's not the student's fault it's the teachers for not being disciplinary or sticking to their principles. I was thus banned from the group shortly afterwards... but yeah i agree with you is what i'm saying.

Although skipping senior year was totally badass won't lie

 

[rekabdarb]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

he's supposed to be in california right =D? at least that's where he ended in the shitty ass filler ending of the anime

 

[AMMO Kid]

Cause kids think they're all that and that they can get away with anything, so the teacher would just get yelled at and get stressed out so it's not worth their effort

 

[Impluse_101]

I call it The Bill Clinton + Years.

 

[Irridium]

A social Studies teacher at my old school doesn't care what parents think. He carries around a golf club, throws student's objects out his second story window (which he disabled the suicide lock), and calls kids dumbasses and retards (although, only when they are actually being stupid). He's a crazy old man.

Is he Mr. Garrison by any chance?

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Basically this is yet another thing we can blame on dipshits who should never have been allowed to have children.

 

[Double A]

It's a little thing I hate called "political correctness." People can sue teachers for a myriad of fucktarded reasons, like if you discipline a black kid sometimes the parents will say it's cause he's black.

Not trying to be racist if you see that, I'm just saying the way it is.

 

[Krion_Vark]

I'd say it started gaining ground around the 1940-50s and exploded during the 1960-70s.

I blame the Hippies. Or atleast the people who believe that violence is 100% wrong and do not believe that hitting their kids to discipline them is the right way that talking to them is the only way to do it. Those are the ones that are the downfall of good teaching and parenting. For teaching I think that we should adopt what schools in Japan have. They keep track of all tests and then post the totals as class rankings.

Side Note: There is an elementary school in my town and you can ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS tell when a kid comes from there because they believe that they have certain "rights" that make them Privileged above everyone else. Its quite annoying seeing as how half the time they are idiots who have no idea what they are doing and should just do sit in a hole and do nothing.

 

[Lunar Shadow]

Probably when it became illegal to smack them with a ruler, teachers became replacements for parents, and parents started being condemned for spanking their children/wouldn't discipline their children. I'd say it started gaining ground around the 1940-50s and exploded during the 1960-70s.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I learned to fear doing wrong. That belt on my rump when I was a child darn hurt. I fearfully respected my parents, not because I feared being hit, but because I knew that if I disobeyed them, there were consequences. Why has that simple and necessary concept become so evil?

I will be quite honest: Try to smack me with a ruler and you're spitting teeth. And I am a pacifist. (granted because I have had self defense ingrained into me from an early age and it would be almost pure reflex, yay for having a former spec ops for a father) Now imagine someone who isn't so worried about harming others and you are looking at an injured person, be it the kid or the teacher.

Corporal punishment would only achieve a hostile learning environment. Using violence as discipline does not work, and is would only engender hatred. This hatred would cause most minds to turn towards vengeance, rather than reform. I do want to clarify that I am not including something like lightly slapping the back of a hand to discourage reaching for a hot stove or something (this is with very little children), but even that has to follow up with an explanation.

 

[Hashime]

My uncle teaches (high school), back in about 1990 a kid, after getting very aggressive attempted to strike him. My uncle pushed him back into some lockers out of self defense, and then made it very clear that the kid had gone too far (non violently). The kid was suspended, but so was my uncle, for basically not allowing a kid to punch him. For a teacher this means loss of pay, possible fines, losing of ones job in some instances. Fortunately the incident has not affected his career long term, as he is not a department head (math and physics, he built a rail gun! did I mention he was mt favourite uncle).

 

[Sporky111]

It's because teachers aren't allowed to any more. There's always those dumb-shit parents who make the world revolve around their kid, who will file a lawsuit at any "injustice" just because their little angel was punished. Makes me sick, because nobody respects teachers anymore.

Actually, I should give an example from today to cheer us all up. One teacher in my school runs the industrial arts shop. And it is undeniably his shop and nobody can touch him as long as he keeps the kids safe.

So, today somebody left a paint can unsealed and the next person to use it dumped it all over the floor and counter by mistake. He knows that the person who did it is one of the usual slackers, but they won't talk. So, on monday he's going to take the whole clique (four of them) and make them repaint the entire paint room white.

 

[Lavi]

Teachers need to earn respect first. Two of the teachers at my school never get angry. The history teacher did only once and we were totally afraid because he had never yelled before. They both used a method of assuming the best of students and showing disappointment rather than apathy or anger at their failings.

I don't give respect to assholes, teachers or not. Some of them shouldn't be in the job.

 

[Blatherscythe]

Depends where you live.

I'm a teacher, and my hands were quite literally tied. I wasn't ALLOWED to enforce shit in my classroom. The extent of the discipline I was permitted to carry out was detentions (to which a kid would oftentimes not even show up) or call the parents (who didn't even answer or give a shit 80% of the time). All the while the administration adopted a "you deal with it and stop bothering us" attitude.

You know we're not even allowed to fail students under the current system? I've had grade 11's that can scarcely read or write properly.

I don't work in the youth sector anymore. I was sick of the governmental bull.

Yeah I'm aware that a student cannot offically fail anymore, you have to give at least a 50%. That's bullshit and I'm glad you got out with your sanity.

 

[Blatherscythe]

It's because teachers aren't allowed to any more. There's always those dumb-shit parents who make the world revolve around their kid, who will file a lawsuit at any "injustice" just because their little angel was punished. Makes me sick, because nobody respects teachers anymore.

Actually, I should give an example from today to cheer us all up. One teacher in my school runs the industrial arts shop. And it is undeniably his shop and nobody can touch him as long as he keeps the kids safe.

So, today somebody left a paint can unsealed and the next person to use it dumped it all over the floor and counter by mistake. He knows that the person who did it is one of the usual slackers, but they won't talk. So, on monday he's going to take the whole clique (four of them) and make them repaint the entire paint room white.

Give the man a medal. Seriously do it. I don't care if it's a flattened pop can with ribbons he and all teachers who try to do their jobs properly deserve them.

 

[cameron112497]

Depends where you live.

I'm a teacher, and my hands were quite literally tied. I wasn't ALLOWED to enforce shit in my classroom. The extent of the discipline I was permitted to carry out was detentions (to which a kid would oftentimes not even show up) or call the parents (who didn't even answer or give a shit 80% of the time). All the while the administration adopted a "you deal with it and stop bothering us" attitude.

You know we're not even allowed to fail students under the current system? I've had grade 11's that can scarcely read or write properly.

I don't work in the youth sector anymore. I was sick of the governmental bull.

Yeah I'm aware that a student cannot offically fail anymore, you have to give at least a 50%. That's bullshit and I'm glad you got out with your sanity.

wait wait wait. Its impossible to fail? What is teh motivation to do good at school then. a reward undeserved is a wasted reward.

 

[Lady Nilstria]

Probably when it became illegal to smack them with a ruler

I will be quite honest: Try to smack me with a ruler and you're spitting teeth. And I am a pacifist. (granted because I have had self defense ingrained into me from an early age and it would be almost pure reflex, yay for having a former spec ops for a father) Now imagine someone who isn't so worried about harming others and you are looking at an injured person, be it the kid or the teacher.

Corporal punishment would only achieve a hostile learning environment. Using violence as discipline does not work, and is would only engender hatred. This hatred would cause most minds to turn towards vengeance, rather than reform. I do want to clarify that I am not including something like lightly slapping the back of a hand to discourage reaching for a hot stove or something (this is with very little children), but even that has to follow up with an explanation.

When I say smacking with a ruler, I mean how teachers used to put the child's hand on the desk and smack it. Not hitting them in the face or anything like that.

There's a difference between physical discipline and violence. Violence is done in anger/hatred/rage, and nothing should ever be done to anyone in violence. I am an example of correctly administered physical discipline, which is done in love and with the child's safety and well-being in mind, teaching the child what they did wrong and why it was wrong. There's nothing wrong with physical discipline to teach. Some things are bad enough to warrant pain for the consequence to equal the action. Now, I can't deny that a lot of parents go beyond discipline and into violence, but that is the parent's fault. Proverbs 13:24, 22:15, 23:13-14, 29:15

I know from experience that one good spanking is worth a hundred scoldings.

 

[Novascatia]

I know, right? This is why I carry around a stun baton.
Not for the students, but for the teachers, of course. Just in case they aren't strict enough.