When Did Our Teachers Become Pansies?

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

It is impossible to legally discipline a child, whether you're a teacher or parent, it can't be done anymore. This is why there are so many kids who think they are the greatest thing to ever happen and that everything revolves around them, the law does it's best to make these reality.

It creates a generation of self interested, self obsessed egomaniacs; they'll be in their twenties before they finally realise the fallacy, and if they are some type of trust fund person they maybe never will.

This. I'm not a huge believer in the cane, but I do believe in humiliating punishments. The old disciplines of standing at attention looking at a wall in the middle of the school quadrangle for your entire lunch period. If you move you get two more detentions exactly like it.

You don't get to eat, and if you're late by 2-3 minutes you get anotherpunishment just like it. Having to stand in the rain or hail, or do 30 laps of the footy oval in the mud. Ever since people started treating children as 'innocent' and 'above question' the world has started to slowly turn to shit.

I saw a shocking video of a female student repeatedly striking a teacher who by law cannot strike back to even defend himself. He was being beaten with a CHAIR.

Does the child go to prison? No. Does the child do any communtiy service? Not bloody likely. Will the child (and her family) have to directly pay compensation due to damages to Gov't property and injuries that the teacher suffered? HA!

Mandatory military service for any child suspended or expelled is what I say. Lets see how well they can smack around a training drill sergeant before they have an 'accident' and break a few bones? Moreover let's see how quickly they realise that being a little shit won't protect them from the rest of their unit beating the living crap out of them when their actions bring the unit into some hard labour.

 

[Ickorus]

Blame political correctness, it's not normally the teachers fault since they can rarely do anything about the kids without getting into trouble themselves.

I like what my maths teacher did near the end of my time at school, basically i'd had dozens of maths teachers because none wanted to stay to teach my class and then we got one in who saw us for one lesson and in the second lesson just split our class into two groups, left a helper in one room with all the dumbasses who didn't care and took all of us who wanted to do the work into another room and he'd teach us everything we needed to know before our exams.

In the end it was too little too late but he can't be blamed, he was new and did everything he could to help us out.

 

[milskidasith]

Teacher's aren't getting weaker and pansier, kids are just getting stronger and more rebellious. It's a lot easier to subvert the rules when you're in high school and most male students are as tall as the female teachers and believe themselves to essentially be adults already than it is when you're in middle/elementary school and the teacher could hold you still with one hand.

 

[GrinningManiac]

Is this in America or Britain? Because, over here in the UK, we've got our normal share of pansie teachers, but we've also got some hardasses and some really popular guys and gals whom all the students adore.

I think that, privately, the teachers are really happy that exams are easier, because then all the brats get into Sixth Form, where they aren't safe from retribution anymore. The brats and bastards try to pull the ol' Act-a-Douche thing, and they get thrown out. Funny as feck

 

[alerriixx]

A man in the school close to mine has been to court for bludgeoning a child.

He ain't no pansie.

 

[Reverend Del]

I watched my grammar school chemistry teacher literally throw a student across the room. We did not test him further. My Latin teacher made us sit alphabetically and gave us a rollicking if we even looked at the clock on the wall above him. By contrast my French teacher was a pushover, who eventually came to the conclusion that I must have been an Ofsted conspiracy to get her to quit, and was still asking for my homework two weeks after I left to attend a better school. At least according to some sources. I was not a good student, but those who had an air of disciplinarian got the best out of me. I passed Chemistry and Latin with flying colours, because I had two options, learn or spend my Tuesday evenings in detention. I didn't do so well on others because the teachers were too soft. I still have a university education, because when I went to my second school I realised I had to work or face a life of failure. As it is, my mental issues have caused my life to stick anyway, but those are entirely my own fault. My lac k of discipline is still not overcome even after so many years trying.

 

[PoliceBox63]

*snippity snip*

I'm lucky that there's a good teacher-student relationship in my school
Also your avatar=EPIC!

 

[powell86]

I had one teacher who was ex-military...let's just say that I only ever 'half' did my homework once. It didn't matter if it was half done or just not done at all, you suffered with the rest of them. She also had the boys willingly letting the girls in and out of the classroom first. I respected that teacher, because she gave a damn about whether I failed or not.

I came from an all-boys school. It was the top private school in my country and all kids required govt scholarships to enter (yeah funny thing i know becuz it being a private school but all students yes i mean ALL students are on govt scholarships). They run it military style. We have row calls and we had to "fall in". We addressed teachers as Sirs and Ma'ams and we did everything military style save for salute lol. And honestly, looking back, i reckoned that my school treated me tougher than my nation's mandatory military training. Nonetheless, all my friends loved that place. And if ever I have a son I would really wish to put him in the same school as well.

Even though we ran like the military, we were treated like adults. We were taught to respect things and respect will be given to us as well. Also, they let us freaking run the school save for the discipline stuff. As long as your school work is fine, and ur appearance and conduct are fine, you can do whatever u want. Yes whatever. Loved my time there.

 

[Eatbrainz]

I have a history teacher who scares the crap out of my class, he once put on an army officer's cap and made the class go out onto the tennis courts and march.

 

[MercenaryCanary]

Yeah, treat our brats like royalty or we'll hire an army of lawyers and sue your ass.

Gah. This statement just made me facepalm for some reason.

Anyway, I've noticed this somewhat, though it's more of a case of the Freshman at my school getting more obnoxious ("LOLOLOLOL I AM SOOOO COOL") yet the teachers still retain control.

I've had my Physical Science teacher just straight up yell at the entire class, and slam the door loudly, while also making sure we didn't get to do any enjoyable hands-on projects for the duration of the next two weeks.

Then again, I live in the South.
Hm....

Yeah, I once lived in the South too, and my teachers (most of them, at least) have been able to keep control of the classroom, mostly through loud, strict outbursts and guil-trips. Then I moved to Arizona in the Southwest, and though the teachers have a bit more trouble here, they still retain more control than the teachers of some friends of mine up North. I honestly think it's because the Southern schools are tougher and are therefore able to ensure that kids grow up into responsible adults. Kids who are disciplined every once in awhile actually turn into regular human beings.

Huh, how about that?

I think it has something to do with people in the South actually not feeling bad about spanking their children.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Three main reasons
1) Parents decided they knew best, and were supported.
2) Children have been protected so heavily that any form of punishment is seen as abuse.
3) Cheap Teachers (Students) have been brought in instead of Experienced Teachers.

See Policeman, Unions, Doctors etc.

I'm not sure about the UK, but I'm fairly certain that teachers are paid by position, not by experience, so there is no such thing as a cheap teacher as there is to a cheap janitor or butcher or whatever. Also, what do you mean by 'brought in'? Has the teacher spawn pool been set to inexperienced for the past few years? Someone should fix that.

Teachers in the UK are paid by experience. This also happen in the 7 or 8 countries that my Father has been teaching in for the past 45 odd years. He's also been backed up by my Mother, 6 or 7 countries, 45 years, who has worked in the mentally and physically disabled schools, and a number of my friends who work around the world teaching. They also agreed mostly with the points I'd put across. They also gave me the following piece of advice that I thought I should pass on.

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

 

[Blatherscythe]

*snippity snip*

I'm lucky that there's a good teacher-student relationship in my school
Also your avatar=EPIC!

Thanks, I get that alot.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

mm it just isn't worth their time, they dont make much for their job so why should they strain and care?


back in the day...we did have a few teachers who cared, and boy we tore them a new one, i swear one of our teachers had gray hair because of us


(believe me im sorry for this but back in the day..she was such a fuckng ***** for no reason to start off the year, so we basically had no respect for her at all and were the sneakiest bastards on the planet)

otherwise when i went to class i never said a damn word besides answering questions and if it was a super easy class i usually was nice to the teacher and she allowed me to take nice power naps instead =]

 

[superbatranger]

Because of all the parents who think their children are absolute saints who don't deserve any punishment. On top of that, we got lawsuits, and many teachers who just stop caring as they get closer to retirement.

 

[Fire Daemon]

SNIP

My mistake, I should have researched that more. Kind of depressing though.

 

[SadakoMoose]

The problem has to do with the overall quality of education.
Teachers can only do so much in environments such as the American High School, where nothing honestly matters and numerical scores take such a great importance.
There's also the matter of qualification as far as teaching is concerned.
I believe that we have lowered the standards too far for becoming an educator an place too high of a regard towards school policies and manuals. Tenure is reached too easily, and 4+ years degrees are not required.
Teacher's Unions are far too powerful in gaining tenure for the inexperienced and unqualified.
What this shows is a national trend that seems to be leaning towards utilitarian and external value. Education is treated as the means to an end, the end referring to a career. Rather, education should be about intrinsic discovery and enrichment. Learn because it makes you feel better about life, and opens more doors for you.
That's my philosophy, anyway.
You're never overqualified.

Oh and one more thing:
Negative re-enforcement doesn't work, so stop blaming lack of discipline.
It's just a bunch of lazy populist pandering, and has no place in a serious discussion about the current educational climate. When you talk about an entire generation like it's a single youth culture hive-mind, you sound stupid. There is no "they".

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

SNIP

My mistake, I should have researched that more. Kind of depressing though.

Agreed, hugely.depressing. Especially for the students who burn out too quickly and have to go for a job with better pay, respect and career ladder. Like McDonalds.
However, the Arabian/Asian markets are still prepared to pay top dollar for good teachers. I'd strongly advise grabbing a year's teaching experience out there.

 

[Asphyxiation]

It's quite sad really, doesn't surprise me with whats happening in Australia at the moment. Particulary Melbourne.

 

[Kenny Kondom]

I've only heard about that occurring at private schools which are free to hire and pay any amount that they want, but things could obviously be different in other countries or I could just be misinformed.

Thats fair enough. Different people know different things. From what i know, our old History teacher left to go to a school that a) Paid better anyway and b) let him have a certain day off (like a Wednesday, some shizzle like that). That is where my information comes from. Ill have to catch up with him and see if it is a private school or not, but i pretty sure it wasnt.

Ill get back to you if i can.