who cares that FF XIII is going to be on the 360?

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keptsimple said:
With respect to multi-disc being a "giant leap backwards" - if you can't deal with the minor inconvenience of getting your ass off the couch every 10-15 hours to switch a disc, you need to reevaluate your priorities.
But it is a leap backwards. Just look at my other rant [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.107722?page=4#1805612] that I'm too lazy to retype. It's not that getting up for 10 seconds is a horrible amount to lose in gaming, it's just that the problem shouldn't even be there in the first place.

It's more of the principle of the matter, why the hell would I want to switch out in between 5 disks just to continue playing a game? The burden of losing even partial enjoyment out of a game shouldn't be on the player, it should be on the developers to condense it enough or just make a sequel out of the last 3 disks.

I'm willing to accept 2 disks for a game but that's a stretch, and 3 disks is a huge stretch for me to accept, and 4 is absolutely ludicrous. I may have grown up in a time where multi-disks were "uncool" at the time, but there should be no reason why we can't get past multi-disking as we've past that technological barrier. If MGS4 can fit on one blu-ray disk, mostly uncompressed, then I see no reason why Lost Odyssey can't fit on at least 2 disks.
 

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I think I would have gone crazy if it had been a 360 exclusive.
That would be a stab in the back for someone who has loved the FF series and owns a PS3.

I dont really care that its coming out for both now, at first I was a little bit annoyed that we were losing a great exclusive, but I still get to play it and thats all that matters really.
 

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I don't give a flying frack if it's on the 360 or not. However, what does piss me off is that it's NOT going to be on the PC...
 

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Mazty said:
Never played it, can't say if it's actual game length or hidden repetition. I've yet to find anything that comes close to the game length offered by Morrowind and past FF's.

Firstly, 2 typos and my grammer is fine, otherwise I wouldn't be getting first class essays, but I digress. Game production has increased but so have sales. Games are actually cheaper than ever. If you were around during the SNES days, you were paying upwards of £60 for a game. Now you can buy new quality titles for as little as £20, or for a major release, £30. But with more costs comes the need for more money for development, which Square could have gathered some from by not releasing it on the 360 to save on production costs.
Also if you think that it may just be a disc change every 10-15hrs, you may be wrong. In non-linear games, discs are assigned to different areas in the world. Go figure the immersion breaker that would be disc changes if you were say moving items from one area to sell in another.
Not to mention the technical side of things. If FF13 was a PS3 exclusive, it would have more potential as the PS3 is technically better than the 360 (See CryEngine 3 in action). All in all, releasing FF13 on the 360 is just for money, not to ensure a quality game. Sure, they are a buisness, but Team Ico don't seem to be giving up their standards for a few extra bucks. Plus K2 has proven that releasing a title as an exclusive doesn't have to lower sales. All in all, releasing it on the 360 sucks.
First, please do not divide posts into little bits when responding to them. It's bad etiquette in general and it violates Escapist forum guidelines (although I have not reported you).

Second, your argument is a complete jumble. You keep arguing that FFXIII will suffer as a multi-platform title, but then you keep pointing to past FF games, which were exclusive to Sony, as examples of FF losing its luster. To make matters worse, you then use Morrowind, a game that was released on Xbox but not Playstation, as an example of the pinnacle of game length. If you don't like FFXIII, don't you think it will be because you don't like the direction Squeenix has taken the series, rather than because it is multi-platform?

Third, here in the US, I never paid anything near the equivalent of £60 for an SNES game. But to the extent SNES games (and especially N64 games) were expensive, it was largely due to the production cost of cartridges. DVDs, by contrast are cheap - yet another reason why a multi-disc FFXIII won't be a problem. Today, development is the major cost associated with game production.

Fourth, the PS1 era FF games were all multi-disc and open-ended (at least in the 2nd half of the games), but they did not require constant disc changing. Same goes for Lost Odyssey. I only remember constant disc changing with PC games like Baldur's Gate II (yet that didn't keep me from playing that excellent game).

Fifth, all games are made for the money. To the extent games are high quality, it is only because the developers know that more people are likely to pay for a high quality product. It's worth noting that most Wii shovelware doesn't turn a profit. GTAIV, on the other hand, made a ton of money.

Finally, your posts suffer from severe grammar and syntax errors. Your repeated confusion of the words "lose" and "loose" is particularly taxing on the reader.
 

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I actually feel bad for sony, they need exclusives to fight the 360. Now they don't have Resident evil, GTA or FF on thier side and those were thier major series. Still a multiplatform means I get to try it. Hopefully its good.
 

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i would prefer the xbox version but something tells me that the ps3 version is going to be far better out of the 2
 

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As soon as we get some good 360 exclusives ((Not Bioshock)), then you guys can have the PS3 games.

Apart from the Blue-Ray, I'm honestly regretting dishing out the cash for the PS3. Seriously, give us effing Fable already.
 

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Mazty said:
keptsimple said:
Neither of your complaints about FFX and FFXII actually addressed the length or size of the games. Whether you liked FFXII or not is a subjective matter that has little to do with whether the game is multi-platform. And if you don't like the way FF was heading in the PS2 days, why do you care if the series is also on 360 now? Anyway, had you actually played FFXII, you would know that it was very easy to hit 100 hours. I did so without ever spending any time level grinding.
Never played it, can't say if it's actual game length or hidden repetition. I've yet to find anything that comes close to the game length offered by Morrowind and past FF's.

As for passing the cost on to the consumer, this is exactly how businesses function, so of course it will happen. Why do you think $60 has become the new standard for game costs? The HD era has made development very costly and companies are trying to make up the costs.

With respect to multi-disc being a "giant leap backwards" - if you can't deal with the minor inconvenience of getting your ass off the couch every 10-15 hours to switch a disc, you need to reevaluate your priorities.

Finally, please review your posts for spelling, grammar, and punctuation. I'm not looking for Shakespeare, but I shouldn't have to read your post 3 times before I can figure out what you're trying to say.
Firstly, 2 typos and my grammer is fine, otherwise I wouldn't be getting first class essays, but I digress. Game production has increased but so have sales. Games are actually cheaper than ever. If you were around during the SNES days, you were paying upwards of £60 for a game. Now you can buy new quality titles for as little as £20, or for a major release, £30. But with more costs comes the need for more money for development, which Square could have gathered some from by not releasing it on the 360 to save on production costs.
Also if you think that it may just be a disc change every 10-15hrs, you may be wrong. In non-linear games, discs are assigned to different areas in the world. Go figure the immersion breaker that would be disc changes if you were say moving items from one area to sell in another.
Not to mention the technical side of things. If FF13 was a PS3 exclusive, it would have more potential as the PS3 is technically better than the 360 (See CryEngine 3 in action). All in all, releasing FF13 on the 360 is just for money, not to ensure a quality game. Sure, they are a buisness, but Team Ico don't seem to be giving up their standards for a few extra bucks. Plus K2 has proven that releasing a title as an exclusive doesn't have to lower sales. All in all, releasing it on the 360 sucks.
If it bothers you, don't buy it.

If it doesn't, buy it.

Buisness is like that. Shame, isn't it?

Personally, if I really wanted it I wouldn't mind paying so much more money for it unless it was over e100. I'd be happy enough to get it half price through trade-ins.

As for your quality point, seeing the trailers for FFXIII, it already looks like the quality (of cinematics atleast) is as usual, top notch and stunning. I'm sure the slight downgrade to X-Box 360 won't have much of an effect.

Statistically, X-Box sells more than PS3, no? In a business as large as SquareEnix, wouldn't it be the best choice to release to a wider audience on more platforms? Money wise, promotional wise? The main reason I think people are pissed is because they have to wait longer.

If you want it that bad, you'll wait.
 

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orannis62 said:
God, guys like this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I&feature=related] piss me off. I just don't get it.
It hurts just to watch that.

Self-proclaimed expert of foreign cultures, check. Annoying evil villian attitude, check. Fanboyism, check. Unreasonable boycott, check. Incourage piracy, check. No proper grammer or capitalization in title/description, check. Bringing the Wii into an argument it is not involved in, check. Claiming that being four old when he played the first game makes him superior, check. Insulting his own countrymen, check. Claiming that is opinion is the will of all the fans, check. Stuttering while yelling, check. Insulting his viewers in the comments section as well as disabiling them when he gets the final say, check.

Wow! He meets enough requirements to be in the League of Annoying Asses. Congratulations too him and the parents who spawned him. Did he happen too do something similar when FFVII was announced for the Playstation? I mean, he appears to really care about what consoles his games are own.
 

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Mazty said:
I've yet to find anything that comes close to the game length offered by Morrowind and past FF's. All in all, releasing it on the 360 sucks.
[small]First off, Morrowind came out on the first Xbox and secondly that's your opinion, which is wrong because it doesn't suck.[/small]
 

Taerdin

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Gamer137 said:
orannis62 said:
God, guys like this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I&feature=related] piss me off. I just don't get it.
It hurts just to watch that.

Self-proclaimed expert of foreign cultures, check. Annoying evil villian attitude, check. Fanboyism, check. Unreasonable boycott, check. Incourage piracy, check. No proper grammer or capitalization in title/description, check. Bringing the Wii into an argument it is not involved in, check. Claiming that being four old when he played the first game makes him superior, check. Insulting his own countrymen, check. Claiming that is opinion is the will of all the fans, check. Stuttering while yelling, check.

Wow! He meets enough requirements to be in the League of Annoying Asses. Congratulations too him and the parents who spawned him. Did he happen too do something similar when FFVII was announced for the Playstation? I mean, he appears to really care about what consoles his games are own.
This is the most obvious troll ever! The guy is from a major website! HOW ARE PEOPLE STILL POSTING IN RESPONSE TO THIS VIDEO!

I'm getting tired of posting about how that video is less than legit. If the Escapists want to be trolled then enjoy yourselves. It has never been so apparent that a community as a whole does not have stairs in their house.

Please PLEASE stop treating that video like its for real... its more painful than the pain you're getting from it as I LOVE this community and generally credit it with common sense and intelligence.
 

Goldeneye103X2

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orannis62 said:
God, guys like this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I&feature=related] piss me off. I just don't get it.
OH SHEESH!Just tell me about it. There's even a guy called randmDCE who made fun of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AacSNwMljo4
At least it's still coming out on PS3, instead of being exclusive to the 360.
And the PS3ers still keep versus XIII.
 

Taerdin

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Goldeneye103X2 said:
orannis62 said:
God, guys like this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I&feature=related] piss me off. I just don't get it.
OH SHEESH!Just tell me about it. There's even a guy called randmDCE who made fun of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AacSNwMljo4
At least it's still coming out on PS3, instead of being exclusive to the 360.
And the PS3ers still keep versus XIII.
That just proves how awesome of a troll he is... the fact that someone would actually make a line by line criticism of his OBVIOUS TROLL.

Wow... okay now I'm actually done...

Obvious troll is obvious, stop being trolled Escapists SERIOUSLY

Do you have stairs in your house? :p

Also THIS [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeBjr8Bm_wA] and alternatively THIS which won't make sense unless you fully watch the first THIS :p [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvbbrolCuNk&feature=related] other than that you see the guy.
 

Johnmw

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I care! Final Fantasy 7 was one of my most played games ever, I know they havent been up to standards for a while (Tactics series excused) but we can but hope.....
 

TitaniumBlue

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Maybe in ten years us PC gamers will get working emulators for this generations consoles and I can finally enjoy my Final Fantasy.
 

ReZerO

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i don't mind eventhough this game is kind of the reason why i picked up a PS3 in the first place. I'm happy that more people will be able to enjoy this game. I'm also happy with my purchase of a PS3, so it's all good.