Who do you Save?

[RooftopAssassin]

And you don't have to be Muslim to be a rabbi.

In fact, it's quite impossible to be both.

I said you don't have to be muslim to be a rabbi, not that you can't be both.

Saying "you don't need to be a Muslim to be a rabbi" is like saying "You don't need wings to be a cow"

Uhh, Im pretty sure its not like that at all. There are Christian rabbi's, jewish rabbi's. Basically a rabbi for every religion out there.

I think what he is getting at is that, they aren't called Rabbis. In Christianity they are called Priests, Pastors, Shepard and more, it all depends on your denomination. In Islam the "rabbis" are called Imams (plural) Imam (singular).

P.S.- Rabbis is the correct plural form, not Rabbi's which implies ownership.

 

[Clashero]

And you don't have to be Muslim to be a rabbi.

In fact, it's quite impossible to be both.

I said you don't have to be muslim to be a rabbi, not that you can't be both.

Saying "you don't need to be a Muslim to be a rabbi" is like saying "You don't need wings to be a cow"

Uhh, Im pretty sure its not like that at all. There are Christian rabbi's, jewish rabbi's. Basically a rabbi for every religion out there.

No. Not at all. Jews have Rabbis, Catholics have priests, Muslims have imams. And cows can't fly.

 

[Tdc2182]

1) A male Librarian, his wifes pregnant, wouldnt want to split the family
2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant, new life and innocence
6) A college co-ed , repopulation what else...
7) A second year medical student, sickness
8) A police officer, protection and maintain law
9) A rabbi, good man, and completely innocent since his religion didn't end the world.

I think you need to catch up on the goings on in the Middle East. Israel has the bomb, and if they keep fighting Muslim extremists, their religion may be a factor in ending the world.

No, I'm not and Anti-Zionist. no, I don't agree wit Muslim extremists. All extremists, whether religious or political, are douche bags.

I don't agree with that either but the rabbi's usually aren't ones who made the nukes. And you don't have to be Muslim to be a rabbi. Don't try to turn this one on religion like most pricks on this website do because the end of the world will fall and to the hands of Politics.

I knew the way I worded it was wrong. I'm not trying to start a flame war about religion. Seriously. It's just that you can not assume that religion did not play a factor in the apocalypse. Religion has too much blood on it's hands not to be considered a factor.

As for nukes, the biggest threats, are from the Middle East, due to it's constant skirmishes, battles, and wars, the North Koreans, because Kim Jong-il has an inferiority complex or something, missing Russian warheads, due to the collapse of their government decades ago, and the United States, just for the sheer number they possess.

You are right in saying that politics will most likely be the decider in the apocalypse. But, behind that, there is religion. In America, if the far right extremists had their way, Iraq and Iran would be nuked out of existence because they "Dirty Rag Heads" and don't believe in Jesus. The extremists attack the States because they saw America as corrupt and not within their interpretation of the Koran, as well as for revenge against America's past involvement in the Middle East, including the establishing of Israel and it's continuing aid to Israel and perceived interference in other countries in that area.

In the constant struggle between Israel and Palestine, beyond the political and geographical fighting lies religion. Extremists in Palestine and in other parts of the Arab world want them wiped out because they are not Muslim, just as extremists with Israel think they deserve dominance other Palestine because they are Muslim.

Anything and all of these things will be factors in the Nuclear Apocalypse. Both religion and Politics will go hand in hand as we destroy ourselves.

Am I making myself any clearer now? I'm not trying to flame anyone or anything.

Yes, yes, I flipped a little bit to much. That makes sense. The thing that needs to happen( that most likely never will) is a way for the both of them to figure out that they can't survive without the other.

 

[Tdc2182]

And you don't have to be Muslim to be a rabbi.

In fact, it's quite impossible to be both.

I said you don't have to be muslim to be a rabbi, not that you can't be both.

Saying "you don't need to be a Muslim to be a rabbi" is like saying "You don't need wings to be a cow"

Uhh, Im pretty sure its not like that at all. There are Christian rabbi's, jewish rabbi's. Basically a rabbi for every religion out there.

No. Not at all. Jews have Rabbis, Catholics have priests, Muslims have imams. And cows can't fly.

Yes cows can't fly (yet), and as we ussually call them priests and imam's they are also refered to as rabbis, alot. Look it up. and if thats the case than what you originally quoted me for makes no sense at all. You are now kind of disagreeing with what you originally said.

 

[Gaderael]

1) A male Librarian, his wifes pregnant, wouldnt want to split the family
2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant, new life and innocence
6) A college co-ed , repopulation what else...
7) A second year medical student, sickness
8) A police officer, protection and maintain law
9) A rabbi, good man, and completely innocent since his religion didn't end the world.

I think you need to catch up on the goings on in the Middle East. Israel has the bomb, and if they keep fighting Muslim extremists, their religion may be a factor in ending the world.

No, I'm not and Anti-Zionist. no, I don't agree wit Muslim extremists. All extremists, whether religious or political, are douche bags.

I don't agree with that either but the rabbi's usually aren't ones who made the nukes. And you don't have to be Muslim to be a rabbi. Don't try to turn this one on religion like most pricks on this website do because the end of the world will fall and to the hands of Politics.

I knew the way I worded it was wrong. I'm not trying to start a flame war about religion. Seriously. It's just that you can not assume that religion did not play a factor in the apocalypse. Religion has too much blood on it's hands not to be considered a factor.

As for nukes, the biggest threats, are from the Middle East, due to it's constant skirmishes, battles, and wars, the North Koreans, because Kim Jong-il has an inferiority complex or something, missing Russian warheads, due to the collapse of their government decades ago, and the United States, just for the sheer number they possess.

You are right in saying that politics will most likely be the decider in the apocalypse. But, behind that, there is religion. In America, if the far right extremists had their way, Iraq and Iran would be nuked out of existence because they "Dirty Rag Heads" and don't believe in Jesus. The extremists attack the States because they saw America as corrupt and not within their interpretation of the Koran, as well as for revenge against America's past involvement in the Middle East, including the establishing of Israel and it's continuing aid to Israel and perceived interference in other countries in that area.

In the constant struggle between Israel and Palestine, beyond the political and geographical fighting lies religion. Extremists in Palestine and in other parts of the Arab world want them wiped out because they are not Muslim, just as extremists with Israel think they deserve dominance other Palestine because they are Muslim.

Anything and all of these things will be factors in the Nuclear Apocalypse. Both religion and Politics will go hand in hand as we destroy ourselves.

Am I making myself any clearer now? I'm not trying to flame anyone or anything.

Yes, yes, I flipped a little bit to much. That makes sense. The thing that needs to happen( that most likely never will) is a way for the both of them to figure out that they can't survive without the other.

Sir, if you could figure that out, I would hand you a Nobel Peace Prize. I hear some guy in the States just received one. I'm sure he wouldn't mind sharing.

 

[Rand-m]

2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 10.

They just seem like the most talented group to keep a varied gene pool.

 

[Shamgarr]

And you don't have to be Muslim to be a rabbi.

In fact, it's quite impossible to be both.

I said you don't have to be muslim to be a rabbi, not that you can't be both.

Saying "you don't need to be a Muslim to be a rabbi" is like saying "You don't need wings to be a cow"

Uhh, Im pretty sure its not like that at all. There are Christian rabbi's, jewish rabbi's. Basically a rabbi for every religion out there.

No. Not at all. Jews have Rabbis, Catholics have priests, Muslims have imams. And cows can't fly.

Yes cows can't fly (yet), and as we ussually call them priests and imam's they are also refered to as rabbis, alot. Look it up. and if thats the case than what you originally quoted me for makes no sense at all. You are now kind of disagreeing with what you originally said.

For the sake of this argument, we're not specifying what religion the Rabbi officially represents. Consider it your right to place your personal belief into his slot.

 

[Tdc2182]

Sir, if you could figure that out, I would hand you a Nobel Peace Prize. I hear some guy in the States just received one. I'm sure he wouldn't mind sharing.[/quote]

It would look good in my house.

 

[Tdc2182]

And you don't have to be Muslim to be a rabbi.

In fact, it's quite impossible to be both.

I said you don't have to be muslim to be a rabbi, not that you can't be both.

Saying "you don't need to be a Muslim to be a rabbi" is like saying "You don't need wings to be a cow"

Uhh, Im pretty sure its not like that at all. There are Christian rabbi's, jewish rabbi's. Basically a rabbi for every religion out there.

No. Not at all. Jews have Rabbis, Catholics have priests, Muslims have imams. And cows can't fly.

Yes cows can't fly (yet), and as we ussually call them priests and imam's they are also refered to as rabbis, alot. Look it up. and if thats the case than what you originally quoted me for makes no sense at all. You are now kind of disagreeing with what you originally said.

For the sake of this argument, we're not specifying what religion the Rabbi officially represents. Consider it your right to place your personal belief into his slot.

Thank you that makes it much easier, read what this guy said.

 

[ma55ter_fett]

This is really difficult without more information. how much good would a biochemist be if all the science facilities were destroyed in war (assumeing they would be, nukes after all) knowledge would be great since those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

I'd take the pregnant wife any which way. i'd like to bring her husband as well but...
the med student
the co-ed
#5 only if she was a singer/songwriter
biochemist (assumeing there is a full chem lab in the fallout shelter.
the police officer if ther post fallout world is like fallout 3 (need guns) if the world is a barren wastland with no super mutants than i would keep the Librarian

So

#2 cause of the life inside her
#7 cause someone needs to deliver the child and treat the rest for injuryies
#6 so at least basic knowledge could be passed onto the child
#5 because music is really important, for culture and keeping people happy, MUST BE folk music, rock rap emo country wouldn't get a place in the new world
#10 if there was a chem lab, because we would need medicine in the new world
#1 cause i'm a sap for happy endings

plus six people couldn't repopulate the earth, so it's all a moot point

 

[Nullphantom]

I'd save 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 10
2 is fairly obvious
4 because history repeats itself and he'd teach others
5 and 6 for obvious reasons, for me
7 because we'll need someone familiar with medicine
10 because they can examine the creatures after radiation takes effect

 

[Clashero]

And you don't have to be Muslim to be a rabbi.

In fact, it's quite impossible to be both.

I said you don't have to be muslim to be a rabbi, not that you can't be both.

Saying "you don't need to be a Muslim to be a rabbi" is like saying "You don't need wings to be a cow"

Uhh, Im pretty sure its not like that at all. There are Christian rabbi's, jewish rabbi's. Basically a rabbi for every religion out there.

No. Not at all. Jews have Rabbis, Catholics have priests, Muslims have imams. And cows can't fly.

Yes cows can't fly (yet), and as we ussually call them priests and imam's they are also refered to as rabbis, alot. Look it up. and if thats the case than what you originally quoted me for makes no sense at all. You are now kind of disagreeing with what you originally said.

Uh-uh. Nowhere does it say a rabbi is a universal term (from what I've seen or heard). Also, how am I disagreeing with myself? I started by saying you can't be a Muslim and a rabbi, and I'm still saying that.

Also, the internet has this to say:
A raabi is:
# spiritual leader of a Jewish congregation; qualified to expound and apply Jewish law
# a Hebrew title of respect for a Jewish scholar or teacher
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

# Rabbi (, Hebrew for "my master") is the term in Judaism for a religious teacher. The word rabbi derives from the Hebrew root word , rav, which in ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi

# Rav (Heb. ר&#1489 is the Hebrew word for rabbi. For a more nuanced discussion see semicha. The term is also frequently used by Orthodox Jews to refer to one's own rabbi.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbī

# A Jewish spiritual teacher
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rabbi

# "Teacher" a Jewish minister who teaches Judaism. Leads the people into worship.
library.thinkquest.org/C004351F/Glossary.htm

# A Jewish teacher and scholar who is often the leader of a congregation. A rabbi is often the officiant at a Jewish wedding -- almost always at an Orthodox wedding -- but this is not required. Sometimes a hazzan, or cantor (who chants the prayers during Jewish services), will officiate. ...
weddings.weddingchannel.com/wedding-planning-ideas/wedding-ceremony-ideas/articles/special-terms_used-in-a-jewish-wedding.aspx

# The Hebrew word meaning " my teacher."
www.templetons.com/charles/jesus/glossary.html

# From Hebrew phrase meaning "my master." A leader of a Jewish synagogue.
www.religioustolerance.org/gl_r.htm

# "My master, a title of dignity given by the Jews to their doctors" of the law and their distinguished teachers. It is sometimes "applied to Christ (Matt. 23:7, 8; Mark 9:5 (RV); John 1:38," "49; 3: ... Read more about Rabbi...
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Free-Bible-Dictionary-R.php

# Indicates that the individual was ordained as a rabbi. A number of different titles were given to Torah scholars during the classical and medieval period. Sometimes they had particular significance, while at other times different titles might be used interchangeably. ...
www.s-gabriel.org/names/juetta/titles.html

# Is the person who heads a synagogue or a temple and leads its worship and study. The Jewish faith has no priesthood.
www.fandm.edu/x13718.php

# Hebrew for 'my master'. Jewish learned man, who has received ordination. In Reform congregations, since 1972, it may also be a woman.
www.bloomington.in.us/~okolicko/definitions-2.html

 

[Shamgarr]

And you don't have to be Muslim to be a rabbi.

In fact, it's quite impossible to be both.

I said you don't have to be muslim to be a rabbi, not that you can't be both.

Saying "you don't need to be a Muslim to be a rabbi" is like saying "You don't need wings to be a cow"

Uhh, Im pretty sure its not like that at all. There are Christian rabbi's, jewish rabbi's. Basically a rabbi for every religion out there.

No. Not at all. Jews have Rabbis, Catholics have priests, Muslims have imams. And cows can't fly.

Yes cows can't fly (yet), and as we ussually call them priests and imam's they are also refered to as rabbis, alot. Look it up. and if thats the case than what you originally quoted me for makes no sense at all. You are now kind of disagreeing with what you originally said.

Uh-uh. Nowhere does it say a rabbi is a universal term (from what I've seen or heard). Also, how am I disagreeing with myself? I started by saying you can't be a Muslim and a rabbi, and I'm still saying that.

Also, the internet has this to say:
A raabi is:
# spiritual leader of a Jewish congregation; qualified to expound and apply Jewish law
# a Hebrew title of respect for a Jewish scholar or teacher
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

# Rabbi (, Hebrew for "my master") is the term in Judaism for a religious teacher. The word rabbi derives from the Hebrew root word , rav, which in ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi

# Rav (Heb. ר&#1489 is the Hebrew word for rabbi. For a more nuanced discussion see semicha. The term is also frequently used by Orthodox Jews to refer to one's own rabbi.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbī

# A Jewish spiritual teacher
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rabbi

# "Teacher" a Jewish minister who teaches Judaism. Leads the people into worship.
library.thinkquest.org/C004351F/Glossary.htm

# A Jewish teacher and scholar who is often the leader of a congregation. A rabbi is often the officiant at a Jewish wedding -- almost always at an Orthodox wedding -- but this is not required. Sometimes a hazzan, or cantor (who chants the prayers during Jewish services), will officiate. ...
weddings.weddingchannel.com/wedding-planning-ideas/wedding-ceremony-ideas/articles/special-terms_used-in-a-jewish-wedding.aspx

# The Hebrew word meaning " my teacher."
www.templetons.com/charles/jesus/glossary.html

# From Hebrew phrase meaning "my master." A leader of a Jewish synagogue.
www.religioustolerance.org/gl_r.htm

# "My master, a title of dignity given by the Jews to their doctors" of the law and their distinguished teachers. It is sometimes "applied to Christ (Matt. 23:7, 8; Mark 9:5 (RV); John 1:38," "49; 3: ... Read more about Rabbi...
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Free-Bible-Dictionary-R.php

# Indicates that the individual was ordained as a rabbi. A number of different titles were given to Torah scholars during the classical and medieval period. Sometimes they had particular significance, while at other times different titles might be used interchangeably. ...
www.s-gabriel.org/names/juetta/titles.html

# Is the person who heads a synagogue or a temple and leads its worship and study. The Jewish faith has no priesthood.
www.fandm.edu/x13718.php

# Hebrew for 'my master'. Jewish learned man, who has received ordination. In Reform congregations, since 1972, it may also be a woman.
www.bloomington.in.us/~okolicko/definitions-2.html

That's really interesting, I'm glad you made your way to the address bar and typed in dicitonary.com. That must have been pretty difficult. But let's chill and just say that a "rabbi" can represent any (and all) religious associations.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

10 people can't repopulate the world. The genetic base isn't deep enough.

Factor in that if there are enough people left alive to repopulate the world, chances are that some of them will be among the people you choose to save anyway.

I get the point of these sorts of moral conundrums, but having now done up until a first year degree course, I think they're pointless. If you want moral conundrums that actually mean something, try finding some real life ones. (This isn't an attack on you, this is jsut one of things from philosophy that annoyed me for about seven years, so I can't ever let it go.)

 

[Tdc2182]

And you don't have to be Muslim to be a rabbi.

In fact, it's quite impossible to be both.

I said you don't have to be muslim to be a rabbi, not that you can't be both.

Saying "you don't need to be a Muslim to be a rabbi" is like saying "You don't need wings to be a cow"

Uhh, Im pretty sure its not like that at all. There are Christian rabbi's, jewish rabbi's. Basically a rabbi for every religion out there.

No. Not at all. Jews have Rabbis, Catholics have priests, Muslims have imams. And cows can't fly.

Yes cows can't fly (yet), and as we ussually call them priests and imam's they are also refered to as rabbis, alot. Look it up. and if thats the case than what you originally quoted me for makes no sense at all. You are now kind of disagreeing with what you originally said.

Uh-uh. Nowhere does it say a rabbi is a universal term (from what I've seen or heard). Also, how am I disagreeing with myself? I started by saying you can't be a Muslim and a rabbi, and I'm still saying that.

Also, the internet has this to say:
A raabi is:
# spiritual leader of a Jewish congregation; qualified to expound and apply Jewish law
# a Hebrew title of respect for a Jewish scholar or teacher
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

# Rabbi (, Hebrew for "my master") is the term in Judaism for a religious teacher. The word rabbi derives from the Hebrew root word , rav, which in ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi

# Rav (Heb. ר&#1489 is the Hebrew word for rabbi. For a more nuanced discussion see semicha. The term is also frequently used by Orthodox Jews to refer to one's own rabbi.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbī

# A Jewish spiritual teacher
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rabbi

# "Teacher" a Jewish minister who teaches Judaism. Leads the people into worship.
library.thinkquest.org/C004351F/Glossary.htm

# A Jewish teacher and scholar who is often the leader of a congregation. A rabbi is often the officiant at a Jewish wedding -- almost always at an Orthodox wedding -- but this is not required. Sometimes a hazzan, or cantor (who chants the prayers during Jewish services), will officiate. ...
weddings.weddingchannel.com/wedding-planning-ideas/wedding-ceremony-ideas/articles/special-terms_used-in-a-jewish-wedding.aspx

# The Hebrew word meaning " my teacher."
www.templetons.com/charles/jesus/glossary.html

# From Hebrew phrase meaning "my master." A leader of a Jewish synagogue.
www.religioustolerance.org/gl_r.htm

# "My master, a title of dignity given by the Jews to their doctors" of the law and their distinguished teachers. It is sometimes "applied to Christ (Matt. 23:7, 8; Mark 9:5 (RV); John 1:38," "49; 3: ... Read more about Rabbi...
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Free-Bible-Dictionary-R.php

# Indicates that the individual was ordained as a rabbi. A number of different titles were given to Torah scholars during the classical and medieval period. Sometimes they had particular significance, while at other times different titles might be used interchangeably. ...
www.s-gabriel.org/names/juetta/titles.html

# Is the person who heads a synagogue or a temple and leads its worship and study. The Jewish faith has no priesthood.
www.fandm.edu/x13718.php

# Hebrew for 'my master'. Jewish learned man, who has received ordination. In Reform congregations, since 1972, it may also be a woman.
www.bloomington.in.us/~okolicko/definitions-2.html

Impressive. I saw where I messed up. You said it would be impossible when I thought you said possible. My bad. You get to slap me in the face although I still swear that there are Christian rabbis because they made me play one in a catholic school play.

 

[Shamgarr]

10 people can't repopulate the world. The genetic base isn't deep enough.

Factor in that if there are enough people left alive to repopulate the world, chances are that some of them will be among the people you choose to save anyway.

I get the point of these sorts of moral conundrums, but having now done up until a first year degree course, I think they're pointless. If you want moral conundrums that actually mean something, try finding some real life ones. (This isn't an attack on you, this is jsut one of things from philosophy that annoyed me for about seven years, so I can't ever let it go.)

As I'm sure one such as yourself would understand, this is simply a reflection of what the responder finds most important in society, and on the contrary, what they believe society should go without. I definately agree with you in that these are philisophically pointless, but it leads to a lot of discussions, and really makes you realize what it is that you believe.

 

[lizards]

1,4,5,7,8,10

the book keeper (sounds cooler than librarian) as a teacher

the historian because history is valuable

the starlet for the all the arts and entertainment and stuff

the 2nd year medical student because doctors are good

the cop because a fighter is good to have (even if he is only good with his gun)

the biochemist is very important because many bio-science related things will be need to be solved such as if that glowing plant over there will make our skin fall off

the rabbi is the the least useful because what good comes from religion? the crusades? the hate that comes from that religion? i wouldnt bring any religion simply to try and elimanate it but even so more religions would just pop up

religion is like wooden ducks at a target range shoot as many as you want but there will still be more

 

[Nemu]

1) A male Librarian
2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant
3) An Olympic male Athlete (for arguments sake, of all sports)
4) An elderly male, famous historian
5) A renowned female starlet (dancer, actress, singer, songwriter, etc)
6) A college co-ed
7) A second year medical student
8) A police officer
9) A rabbi
10)A biochemist

From this list (and taking liberties with the genders of a couple of folks), I'd take the following: 1,2,3,6,7,9

I assume that the co-ed is female as is the med. student.

I chose the rabbi over the historian figuring that, as a rabbi, s/he would be well-educated and despite my personal lack of a "religion", I see the need for some type of belief system among the majority of folks. Because of his/her education, I believe having multiple folks with varying degrees of historical/societal/technical knowledge (librarian, his wife-one can only assume she reads, the 2 students and the rabbi) would be beneficial for the education of future children AND the establishment of a new society.

The athlete, not to dumb him down or limit his potential contributions, would be used for some of the "grunt" work and to aid the med student and rabbi in the helping of "taking care" of folks (I assume they all have varying degrees of hands-on knowledge of the body).

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

10 people can't repopulate the world. The genetic base isn't deep enough.

Factor in that if there are enough people left alive to repopulate the world, chances are that some of them will be among the people you choose to save anyway.

I get the point of these sorts of moral conundrums, but having now done up until a first year degree course, I think they're pointless. If you want moral conundrums that actually mean something, try finding some real life ones. (This isn't an attack on you, this is jsut one of things from philosophy that annoyed me for about seven years, so I can't ever let it go.)

As I'm sure one such as yourself would understand, this is simply a reflection of what the responder finds most important in society, and on the contrary, what they believe society should go without. I definately agree with you in that these are philisophically pointless, but it leads to a lot of discussions, and really makes you realize what it is that you believe.

I know, and I respect them for that, but I've always found that if a real world scenario is considered, then it not only allows for personal moral exploration, but also at the end of it you find that you may even have a working scenario if you ever find yourself in a moral position like this. (Examples ranging from various drug related questions to the old 'you find a wallet, what do you do?')