Oh I'm sure they would, I'm also sure you would be watching while wanking into a flannel!Cliff_m85 said:
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Thanks lol I kinda needed to get back into my internet persona after being away in europe for the past four months.Shamgarr said:
1 and 2. You couldn't separate the family. The child would need more food, etc, so I would sacrifice myself instead and not go in to keep them alive.Shamgarr said:
Next, 7 and 8 because both have had training in first aid. While the med student knows more detail then the cop, the cop is good for most athletic ordeals and keeping general order.
10 for their mind in the fields of science. Perhaps he could identify problems later.
Lastly I'd go 5. Yes, for breeding basically, but she would know a great deal about art. Basically she can sing, write music, dance and act and keep entertainment and moral quite high.
I didn't choose 3 because the cop is more of what we need. While being fit is great, the police should know enough about diet (not as much as the athlete) but can also utilize law and government which the athlete cannot.
4 we don't need an understanding of history for survival needs. An elderly man is needed then a young baby.
I didn't choose 6 either because what is the college student good for really? Comparing skills to the ones we have got already, he is unneeded. Sad to deal judgment like this, but this is so that those 6(7) people can survive.
Lastly, we don't really need a rabbi. Religion is a spiritual thing that is more centered then what we need. He would keep people's spirits in tact and be a good moral guide, but right now, people need more help then a rabbi can give.
the gene pool is way to small for future humanity to make it, at one time it is believed that the human race went down to only about 2000 individuals and we barely made it.
This is the time that the old "pygmy people" went extinct.
(no i am not talking about baka pygmys, they still live today and are human, what i am talking about here is a different evolutionary branch , like neanderthal and cro-manion, read about it..... unless you think Jesus rode on dino´s, in that case, bless you.)
This is the time that the old "pygmy people" went extinct.
(no i am not talking about baka pygmys, they still live today and are human, what i am talking about here is a different evolutionary branch , like neanderthal and cro-manion, read about it..... unless you think Jesus rode on dino´s, in that case, bless you.)
the diffrence is you are looking at it from a philisophical standpoint which distorts both social sciences and psychology and ultimatly poorly represents reality as a whole. in your premise the concept that these few individuals will preserve all information in their assosiated fields is rather false. regardless of their ultimate role, time by any measure degrades all knowledge.Shamgarr said:
think back 2500 years. architechs, artists, sculptors, writers, historians. they too all existed, yet we have forgotten how buildings from that time period where built. how or what the art acctually ment, what was written acctually said, and what the acctual history of those people so long ago really was. time has washed away our knowledge of ancient cultures, even though decendents of the scribes, sculptors, artists, and historians still live in the lands of their ancestors.
many a time, with the loss of all knowledge, humanity will relearn its craft and trade (see Dark ages as opposed to ancient classical era). Music and the arts will re-emerge years down the line regardless of weither or not the starlet survived in the bunker, science will surface as those decendents wish knowledge even if the bio-chemist died in the nuclear holocost, and the history of mankind will continue to exist so long as mankind exists. though lost and forgotten by those that live today (see any ancient culture no longer in existance)
myself, realizing that petty things like 'knowledge' is not a proper moniker for allowing survival, decided to build a survival group which has the highest possible presentage of survival weeding out psychological negatives such as depression, anxiety, stress, desperation, and alpha desires. by attempting to lower these negatives i in turn increase the groups dynamic at working togeather, reduce the chance of suicide, and make the group more cautious and aware increasing the chances of the groups survival, and ultimatly the survival of man kind as a whole.
on relgion...
no matter which which way you look at it, modern Religion is synonomus with death. judeo-christian beleifs (encompassing all judisim, christianity, and islamic religions) speak at length of death and the life after at the core of their belief structures. only when you go to more define branches of each religion do they become diffrent as each religion describes their own path, rites, and rituals to achieve a 'good' or 'honorable' after life at death or the penelties upon your death that you are granted for not doing these things. even though ultimatly many modern religions speak at length on how one should live, the core of thoes reigions is dipped deeply in death.
to critizie yours from a psychological, logical, and social standpoint which mine is based in.
this group would not survive the post-nuclear world the way you think it would.Shamgarr said:
we will presume that the sexual equiality is there on the assumption that the med student is female as well, providing the 4/2 sexual equiality needed for basic society to progress.
since you have touched on the positives i will focus on the negatives.
the librarian-
after losing not only his wife but his unborn child his psychological state is more or less shattered. depression, anxiety, and suicidal tendencies will easily find its ways into this individual as he has lost everything. in his mind he has absolutely nothing left to live for. he will become distant from every one else, spending much time alone thinking about his lost love. the wealth of his knowledge will be lost as he will not talk of it or any one about it as he is dipped so deeply in sorrow.
the athelete-
ultimatly he will take the leadership role and assume the alpha dominence in the group. in doing such he will ensure breeding rights to both the starlet and med student. this increased agression as well as dominence of the group females will increase the anxiety and stress of every one in the group.
the historian-
older in age, he is unable to physically keep pace with the younger individuals. his ultimate role in the after nuke world would be limited. his knowledge of history would lead to minor forms of depression as he knows clearly of 'the better time' looking back on the past constantly he loses track of the future. anxiety and depression would also be compounded as the athlete presumes dominence and he realises exactly what culture that he is mimicing (totaltarianism government). being older he is less able to reproduce with the females, also he is much closer to his own death, reducing the group number to 5 only a few years after they exit the vault.
the starlet-
even if we presume she is not a sychophant her life afterwords will still be a shadow of its former self. depression will take grasp of her completely as she is thrusted into the role of reproducer (baby maker). impregnation with out love or compasion, but rather out of necessity, she will see herself as less than human. her mind darkened and her heart broken she will not be able to remake such beautiful art as she once was. broken in shattered in her mind she regresses quietly into her assumed role as mearly a beautiful peice of meat.
med-student- (assumed female)
agression is more likely to fill her than depression. as a learned individual she is more prone to defending herself even though by the group dynamic she is demanded to enter the reproductive role. regardless, anxiety, depression, and a lot of stress will overcome this individual. like the starlet she will slowly degred psychologically as she will see herself as less than human. her spite will be carried towards those that forced her into such a position and ultimatly her role as primary medical individual will be greatly limited as such. it is possible that she may even kill the athelete through her own medical means as an attempt at revenge.
the Rabbi-
like the historian, he will see the bligths that are commited by his fellow man, but being only one individual and peiceful about his endevors, he will suffer to do nothing. he will preach and pray, console and condemn, but ultimatly his words will fall on deaf ears. he will suffer from depression realizing that his religious word and fervor is lost on this group, the depressed librarian that will not hear him, the historian and med student too smart for him, the athlete too consumed with his own dominence, and the starlet to lost in her own sorrow. he will continue to speak, at length, further condemning the path the group is taking, but will be unable to change its course. he will segregate himself from the group turning to introspective prayer thinking that this is a test of his person laid upon him by god.
so of the group of 6.
3 segregate themselves from the group.
the one alpha male presumes dominence over the two females, and as culture is rebuilt females have a much deminished role and are not as equial. and even in your actions to try and save the wealth of information held for each all this information is lost as culture rebuilds itself anew of a limited base that is unwilling to learn anything but physical strength and dominence. the new society will have a deminished capacity for females and the group will presume more nomadic roles as tribal dominance is created through feats of strength and physical prowess rather than knowledge or capability.
anger, anxiety, and backstabbing may also become second nature (if med-student murders)
lives
2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant (2 lives + woman)
5) A renowned female starlet (dancer, actress, singer, songwriter, etc) (to keep spirits up + woman)
6) A college co-ed (young enough to be of assistance aswell as being fairly smart + woman)
7) A second year medical student (to treat the sick and injured)
8) A police officer (to keep peace)
10)A biochemist (to help to counteract any irradiated food, water, and maybe survivors)
dies
1) A male Librarian ( librarians arnt known for survival abillty)
3) An Olympic male Athlete (for arguments sake, of all sports) (athletes arnt known for brains and are often headstrong)
4) An elderly male, famous historian (likely unfit to help due to age and while history is important survival is much more so)
9) A rabbi (also likely old and a man of the faith is not exactly useful)
2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant (2 lives + woman)
5) A renowned female starlet (dancer, actress, singer, songwriter, etc) (to keep spirits up + woman)
6) A college co-ed (young enough to be of assistance aswell as being fairly smart + woman)
7) A second year medical student (to treat the sick and injured)
8) A police officer (to keep peace)
10)A biochemist (to help to counteract any irradiated food, water, and maybe survivors)
dies
1) A male Librarian ( librarians arnt known for survival abillty)
3) An Olympic male Athlete (for arguments sake, of all sports) (athletes arnt known for brains and are often headstrong)
4) An elderly male, famous historian (likely unfit to help due to age and while history is important survival is much more so)
9) A rabbi (also likely old and a man of the faith is not exactly useful)
1) A male Librarian
2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant
3) An Olympic male Athlete (for arguments sake, of all sports)
4) An elderly male, famous historian
5) A renowned female starlet (dancer, actress, singer, songwriter, etc)
7) A second year medical student
10)A biochemist
2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant
3) An Olympic male Athlete (for arguments sake, of all sports)
4) An elderly male, famous historian
5) A renowned female starlet (dancer, actress, singer, songwriter, etc)
7) A second year medical student
10)A biochemist
We had a similar question in (at least I think it was) psychology once, only much harder. The difference was that many of the persons you could chose to save were either handicapped or morally flawed in one way or the other.
In this particular question none of the ten people are listed with flaws, which makes it so much easier to say "you can't put a value on human life".
In this particular question none of the ten people are listed with flaws, which makes it so much easier to say "you can't put a value on human life".
I'd prefer none of the above. Seriously, society is fucked up enough right now and we are rife with people like that. If we finally have a chance to wipe society's slate clean, why choose people who will restart the cycle, ultimately ending in another war just like the one causing this problem?
Don't say the world will need doctors and so on. Modern doctors are almost useless without their supply of drugs, and with an apocalypse on our hands, drugs are not going to be useful. What we need are people who still remember which plant cures what. I'm not saying doctors don't know what they're talking about now, but their prescriptions for illnesses involve things that require a functioning society to get access to.
The only one out of those who is worth keeping in the new world is the starlet, culture is at a loss without the art of expression.
Don't say the world will need doctors and so on. Modern doctors are almost useless without their supply of drugs, and with an apocalypse on our hands, drugs are not going to be useful. What we need are people who still remember which plant cures what. I'm not saying doctors don't know what they're talking about now, but their prescriptions for illnesses involve things that require a functioning society to get access to.
The only one out of those who is worth keeping in the new world is the starlet, culture is at a loss without the art of expression.
1) A male Librarian
2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant
These two are primarily for reproduction, but also, librarians tend to read books and therefore be fairly well educated.
3) An Olympic male Athlete (for arguments sake, of all sports)
The hunter/gather/defender
6) A college co-ed
not really sure why but the old guy seemed pointless britney spears can just die it was a bit of a toss up between this and the cop though.
7) A second year medical student
For obvious reasons (medical treatment)
10)A biochemist
For obvious reasons (testing for pure water/food/soil/w/e)
2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant
These two are primarily for reproduction, but also, librarians tend to read books and therefore be fairly well educated.
3) An Olympic male Athlete (for arguments sake, of all sports)
The hunter/gather/defender
6) A college co-ed
not really sure why but the old guy seemed pointless britney spears can just die it was a bit of a toss up between this and the cop though.
7) A second year medical student
For obvious reasons (medical treatment)
10)A biochemist
For obvious reasons (testing for pure water/food/soil/w/e)