Why all the hate for TOR?

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Ridgemo said:
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bioware is taking a new spin on mmo's making it more single player based and continuing on the kotor backstory for a more story based approach to things, in which, this is drawing from a new market and different from wow.
Surely the whole point of an MMO is the multiplayer, otherwise they could just make a single player game and release DLC. Without a good endgame this game will not do to well because people will complete the story and be done with it. MMO's make most of their money off of long paying subscriptions.

As for TOR, i wish it all the best, i'm not fussed either which way. I don't think that because Bioware made it that means it'll be the best thing since sliced bread, but there we go.

Just have to wait and see.
i get what your saying, but why can't they just have the people who want to, run around by themselves doing all the quests either alone or with computer based partners? there are tons of people i know besides myself that are really looking forward to just doing it by ourselves (if needed be, ill find people to do stuff as a party with) but why not have both? you'd still end up doing most of the same stuff just at your own pace and as you see fit
 

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Logical thought of the day: the only way to lay down an opinion of legitimate foundation is to be informed, educated, and, when possible, to have experience with the relevant subject matter in some fashion.

This applies equally to both fans and haters.

That is all.
 

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I don't hate it exactly. I simply think that it's getting a whole load of hype for a game that will most likely end up in the same spot as every other MMO released in the last five years not named World of Warcraft like Warhammer, Conan, Final Fantasy 14, Guild Wars, Tabula Rasa, and so on and so on. The potential MMO audience is only so big and WoW has a deathgrip on 13 million of those people. How many scraps does that leave for the rest of the MMO market to fight over like starving dogs? The MMO market in it's current state simply isn't big enough to sustain two MMOs the caliber of WoW and TOR.

With as much money as Bioware is pumping into TOR they are setting it up to be a failure of unfathomable proportions. It will be that failure that years from now that will have other smaller failures building statues in it's likeness and then praying at the base of. Of course I could be wrong about all this . . . .but I'm not.
 

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arc1991 said:
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Bioware game with beautifully scripted storyline Score 10.
Tedious leveling that comes with MMORPGs -2
The fact that every character really follows the same story, so its a bunch of clones running around with different names and stats, but really accomplishing the same goals and quests. -3
Less of a 'play like your a person in the starwars universe' more 'YOU ARE THE HERO, YOU ARE LEGENDARY, BUT OH WAIT, SO IS EVERYONE!!! Garbage they are preaching almost every dev interview. -3

Game gets a score of 2 out of 10 = FAIL
Yeah, that's good. This way I'll laugh even more at you when you notice that you're wrong in pretty much everything you said. The storyline is not scripted, you make your own decisions in many of the quests for an instance.
You can't have "non scripted" and "voice acted" in the same category, even if you have like 10 different branches for a story, its still scripted events. Only a self thinking AI can generate a non scripted event.
Tell Bioware that...
Devs lie, no matter what godly stuff they tell about their game, devs lie. I fell for this too many times to count (recently, spore, Civ 5 etc)
Bioware can't make unique stories for everyone. At least half the online population will have played the same story that another player has.
 

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BakaSmurf said:
Ossian said:
Bioware game with beautifully scripted storyline Score 10.
Tedious leveling that comes with MMORPGs -2
The fact that every character really follows the same story, so its a bunch of clones running around with different names and stats, but really accomplishing the same goals and quests. -3
Less of a 'play like your a person in the starwars universe' more 'YOU ARE THE HERO, YOU ARE LEGENDARY, BUT OH WAIT, SO IS EVERYONE!!! Garbage they are preaching almost every dev interview. -3

Game gets a score of 2 out of 10 = FAIL
A-fucking-men brother.

Only you forgot one thing; Not Knights of the Old Republic 3, -10

So the actual score? -8 out of 10. Not to mention that they blatantly screwed over the original storyline by just saying in the TOR website a while ago that Revan 'failed' in his quest.

...That's it? Two fucking brilliant games worth of story and THAT'S what you give us for closure? Fuck you Bioware, Fuck you.

If it weren't for Mass Effect and Dragon Age, I would absolutely dispise them at this point.
C'mon you guys are being harsh. It hasn't even been releaesd. Judge it only after you've played it.
 

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You guys don't get it, there's not much else to do but to clone wow. Point and click and use a mouse, ooooh a wow clone, big deal. The story will be different and THATS what counts.
 

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... cautiously optimistic about the whole thing. I fall into the latter category. I'd love to see it succeed, but I don't want to get too invested.
i am in the same position. the cinematics are unbelievable but the actual game play videos are pretty cartoonish. and i still don't see how they are going to prevent everyone from playing a jedi or sith. the bounty hunter could be interesting, but a world that is dominated by three classes won't be terribly exciting.

seriously though, why play a gun toting republic soldier or smuggler when you can be a jedi?
 

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I should have mentioned this in my last post, but I'll add it now.

If someone has a negative opinion they are more likely to broadcast it than someone with a positive one.

A person who likes, or is neutral towards, something doesn't really have anything to point out. They could say "That's so awesome" but there's no real content in such a post. A negative opinion is usually accompanied with the reason for the disappointment, therefore giving the post some extra purpose and critisism.

For example, the TF2 server I play on has a randomised map rotation and a system by which you can rate the maps. The only time I, and probably everyone else for that matter, ever use this voting system is when I don't like a map.
 

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Ascarus said:
seriously though, why play a gun toting republic soldier or smuggler when you can be a jedi?
Honestly? Different stories and different gameplay experiences. I quite like both of those classes, actually, and use them frequently during testing.
 

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I don't know. I'm looking forward to it. Each class has its own full-length KOTOR story. You'd be getting 8 KOTOR's in one, so yeah, I'm psyched as hell for it.

It does seem a bit too much like WoW though, which is probably where quite a bit of the hate stems from. Which is understandable I guess.
Well it's hard to make any kind of MMO without the inevitable comparison to WoW as that's the MMO to beat and every MMO is out to try to dethrone it so whenever there's the slightest similarity between WoW and say TOR or Aion everyone's gonna blow it out of proportion til it explodes in a burst of 1000 colors. It's best to just ignore these people and like (or dislike) the game for your reasons.
 

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InevitableFate said:
A negative opinion is usually accompanied with the reason for the disappointment, therefore giving the post some extra purpose and critisism.
I'm sorry but when I read this I laughed, clearly you haven't been to many other gaming sites because aorund 95% of negative opinion posts I've seen have no reasoning, or purpose beyond "I don't like it, so it sucks and my opinion is the one that's always right HERP DERP."
(Sorry, double post.)
 

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RollForInitiative said:
Ascarus said:
seriously though, why play a gun toting republic soldier or smuggler when you can be a jedi?
Honestly? Different stories and different gameplay experiences. I quite like both of those classes, actually, and use them frequently during testing.
don't get me wrong, if Bioware manages to get all the classes equally interesting in terms of story, game play and the like that would be a dramatic achievement.

i freely admit that it's my own personal biases that i am wrestling with after having lived with SW my entire life and knowing that the most interesting stories in every medium surrounded the jedi and the sith. it just seems like an overwhelmingly complex problem of having the classes being equally interesting simply based on the fact that the force adds a whole new layer of complexity and depth to any character who can wield it.

but it seems you are in the beta (my guess, based on your post) so i will yield to your experience and remain cautiously optimistic about the game.
 

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Bioware have never let me down, so I'm in the "psyched" category. I'm sure they have a surprise or two up their sleeve, who knows...
 

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xXDeMoNiCXx said:
InevitableFate said:
A negative opinion is usually accompanied with the reason for the disappointment, therefore giving the post some extra purpose and critisism.
I'm sorry but when I read this I laughed, clearly you haven't been to many other gaming sites because aorund 95% of negative opinion posts I've seen have no reasoning, or purpose beyond "I don't like it, so it sucks and my opinion is the one that's always right HERP DERP."
(Sorry, double post.)
Ok, yeah, but there's got to be a reason they don't like it, even if they don't post that reason. It motivates them to want to complain in order to change the subject, or advise people to stay away from it, or something like that. A positive opinion, however, is perceived to change nothing, so why bother mentioning it?
 

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I haven't seen much hate, I personally don't like it, but that's because I don't like MMOs, and because I've been waiting for an actual KotOR 3.

Don't hate it though, and I sincerely hope it takes a sizable chunk out of WoW's profit.
 

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I hope there won't be a monthly fee, but otherwise I think it will be a good game. It's Bioware. I will probably try it.
 

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InevitableFate said:
xXDeMoNiCXx said:
InevitableFate said:
A negative opinion is usually accompanied with the reason for the disappointment, therefore giving the post some extra purpose and critisism.
I'm sorry but when I read this I laughed, clearly you haven't been to many other gaming sites because aorund 95% of negative opinion posts I've seen have no reasoning, or purpose beyond "I don't like it, so it sucks and my opinion is the one that's always right HERP DERP."
(Sorry, double post.)
Ok, yeah, but there's got to be a reason they don't like it, even if they don't post that reason. It motivates them to want to complain in order to change the subject, or advise people to stay away from it, or something like that. A positive opinion, however, is perceived to change nothing, so why bother mentioning it?
Not saying you're wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if most of these 14 year old trolls disliked a game for no reason at all. They just lived to flame anything that isn't Halo or CoD.
 

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I´m all for TOR, since i´a huge fan of the KOTOR games. I think it has potential to be a pretty cool MMORPG.
 

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Ascarus said:
i freely admit that it's my own personal biases that i am wrestling with after having lived with SW my entire life and knowing that the most interesting stories in every medium surrounded the jedi and the sith. it just seems like an overwhelmingly complex problem of having the classes being equally interesting simply based on the fact that the force adds a whole new layer of complexity and depth to any character who can wield it.
I find that, in the typical Star Wars universe, force powers tend to make people "cool" rather than "interesting." The actions of the people that have no force powers in a universe thick with Jedi and Sith are, to me, very interesting indeed. Hence my fascination with the classes in question.

That, and they just inherently play differently.

but it seems you are in the beta (my guess, based on your post) so i will yield to your experience and remain cautiously optimistic about the game.
Developer, so I'm equally biased in my own way. I'm trying to speak from a level position here, however. =)