Why all the hate for TOR?

[RAMBO22]

I can't really answer your question, I don't know why people are so fiercely detesting TOR as an mmo. Personally, I believe it looks to be a great game and that it will only innovate in the field of mmos. I'll probably even buy the game.

 

[SadisticPretzel]

Iv been her for a while and iv enjoy looking through the forums and stuff but there is one thing that i keep seeing pop up that is kind of bothering me. Everywhere i look someone is saying that The Old Republic, or TOR (the upcoming Star Wars MMO that BioWare is making) is stupid or a bad move for MMOs in general or other random bad things about it, but iv never seen one piece of worthy evidence to back this up. Anytime i see somebody trying to explain why they think its gonna be bad their logic seems flimsy and easily dismissed. I honestly think that BioWare has some great ideas for TOR and the finished product will be interesting to say the least. So I wanna know why so many people are so hostile towards TOR.

It's "I've." Please get it right...It's hard to take you seriously when you're so lazy you can't type out a three letter word.

 

[infohippie]

I'm looking forward to TOR, but I really hope it ends up being a practice run so Bioware can get experience in making an MMO before starting on Mass Effect the MMO.
I mean, I've always been a huge Star Wars fan but I think Mass Effect is a much more interesting universe. Besides, Star Wars games seem to have a pretty poor track record, the only ones I enjoyed were the X-Wing & TIE Fighter games.
[sub]Yes, that's right, I didn't even like KOTOR! Well, KOTOR II anyway, I found that so lacking in fun I never even bothered looking for the first one.[/sub]

 

[BakaSmurf]

Bioware game with beautifully scripted storyline Score 10.
Tedious leveling that comes with MMORPGs -2
The fact that every character really follows the same story, so its a bunch of clones running around with different names and stats, but really accomplishing the same goals and quests. -3
Less of a 'play like your a person in the starwars universe' more 'YOU ARE THE HERO, YOU ARE LEGENDARY, BUT OH WAIT, SO IS EVERYONE!!! Garbage they are preaching almost every dev interview. -3

Game gets a score of 2 out of 10 = FAIL

A-fucking-men brother.

Only you forgot one thing; Not Knights of the Old Republic 3, -10

So the actual score? -8 out of 10. Not to mention that they blatantly screwed over the original storyline by just saying in the TOR website a while ago that Revan 'failed' in his quest.

...That's it? Two fucking brilliant games worth of story and THAT'S what you give us for closure? Fuck you Bioware, Fuck you.


If it weren't for Mass Effect and Dragon Age, I would absolutely dispise them at this point.

because the world revolves around our needs right I mean your engaging in self pity over a video game you win the pathedic person of the day award.

you condemn the game before it even comes otu and are not even going to give it a chance despite bio ware excellent recond because you want to have a i hate mmorpgs cring fest

Point out to me exactly where I stated that I hate MMO's. Point it out precisely.

well for one by agreeing with the above pother you basically comunicate your hate for MMORPG and are just too lazy to come up with your own argument for that fact not that i particuarly like them but your bitching is what kind of bothers me

Guess what fool, stating that MMO's have tedious leveling systems does not, in fact, mean that one hates MMO's, it means that MMO's have tedious leveling systems, which is the truth. Your logic is flawed, and thus your argument is invalid, not to mention you calling me lazy for agreeing with another poster instead of typing out my own reasons for why I don't like the TOR, which is just plain stupid seeing as how he already listed most of the reasons that I'm not looking forward to TOR, why the hell would I just re-type them out myself?

 

[TaboriHK]

My only irritation is that they decided to start an advertising campaign WAY before the game was planned to be released. If you tease me constantly, I'll eventually lose interest.

 

[TheNewDemoman]

Why the hate?

I don't want to pay 40-60$ for the game and 20$ a month for the freaking sub fee.

AND I don't want to have to deal with other people while I'm playing my RPG's.

 

[InevitableFate]

Bioware game with beautifully scripted storyline Score 10.
Tedious leveling that comes with MMORPGs -2
The fact that every character really follows the same story, so its a bunch of clones running around with different names and stats, but really accomplishing the same goals and quests. -3
Less of a 'play like your a person in the starwars universe' more 'YOU ARE THE HERO, YOU ARE LEGENDARY, BUT OH WAIT, SO IS EVERYONE!!! Garbage they are preaching almost every dev interview. -3

Game gets a score of 2 out of 10 = FAIL

Can't beat that logic lol.

I can. I've actually been keeping a close eye on it, so I can confirm that this "logic" is mired in misinformation.

1. Tedious Leveling - This isn't actually to do with TOR news, but the nature of MMOs. You cannot escape grinding in an MMO. It's just not possible. With an MMO, you've got to try and keep players playing your game, and therefore paying, for as long as possible. Grinding stretches the game out. You genuinly cannot build an MMO without it. That said, the "objective", as it were, is to make grinding more interesting. Bioware are attempting to do this in TOR, and we have no idea if they'll succeed at that until Open Beta. It is pointless to make an assumption about it at this point.

2. Every character does not follow the same story line. God alone knows where you heard that since Bioware have constantly stressed each class has its own unique storyline. *pauses* Though I suppose you might mean "there are 1000 Sith Warriors running around following the same story, and 1000 Bounty Hunters doing a different one". This is true, but do you expect a Bioware employee to personally write a story for every player or something? How exactly can you correct such a thing? Presumably the dialogue paths (and branched quests, which are confirmed to exist, by the way) are not enough for you. Oh, and while you're at it, explain to me how that's different to a single player game?

In fact, these seem more like complaints leveled at MMOs as a genre, rather than TOR itself. Ok, you (maybe) don't like MMOs, fair enough. I don't like sports games. Do you see me trolling every thread about Fifa 2011 or whatever? If you don't like a genre, just stay away from it, because there's over 10 million people out there who actually DO like MMOs.

Perhaps there's a little hurt over the fact it's not KOTOR 3. But you may as well complain that they're wasting effort on Dragon Age 2 instead of making Mass Effect 3 (note; I know it's announced and dated, but for the interests of this example, let's pretend it's not). I'll admit I'd like to see a KOTOR 3, but I don't see how that relates to TOR. They'd not necessarily be making one if they weren't the other.

 

[Ickorus]

Well i'll give you the simple explanation:

At first loads and loads of people said they thought it was going to be great, everything they saw about it they loved, after a while these people realised everyone else thought it was great and decided that they had to be on the cool train with all the other edgy people and decided that they actually hated it.

Personally I don't like it but it's pretty much down to the fact that I never liked Star Wars.

 

[Savagezion]

The problem I have with people too quick to spout "WoW clone" shenanigans is that they often don't have anything but speculation to back up their claims. This isn't based on mechanics of the game because that information really hasn't been released yet. It obviously isn't based on Bioware's track record or Star Wars' track record. It is solely based on someone's speculation and THEIR track record with MMOs.

Bioware game with beautifully scripted storyline Score 10.
Tedious leveling that comes with MMORPGs -2
The fact that every character really follows the same story, so its a bunch of clones running around with different names and stats, but really accomplishing the same goals and quests. -3
Less of a 'play like your a person in the starwars universe' more 'YOU ARE THE HERO, YOU ARE LEGENDARY, BUT OH WAIT, SO IS EVERYONE!!! Garbage they are preaching almost every dev interview. -3

Game gets a score of 2 out of 10 = FAIL

Not all MMOs have tedious leveling. It is common in them but it is not a requirement to fit the genre. Guild Wars has proven you can be successful without them. Actually, Guild Wars is proof that WoW is not a testament of "everything MMOs have to do to make money." Personally, I think they should all do away with tedious leveling anyway as most of them abandon it after 1-2 expansions anyway and allow people to tear through levels off of special "xp pump" mobs so that new players can catch up to the vets faster.

How do you know what the story will be for the different classes? You don't have anything to support these claims except what other MMOs have done in the past but is not at all a requirement for the genre. As for "everyone playing the same story" you obviously haven't even went so far as to read the mission statement behind the development of TOR. It is being developed with that in mind and intentionally offering multiple stories. As in playing a different class isn't just a different wall of text but a different quest line.

I am not saying that TOR is going to be some revolutionary thing for sure. I am pretty confident GW2 will be at this point which is also considered a "WoW clone". I personally am interested to see the mechanics they will introduce but won't be buying the game upon release. I have my doubts concerning it but none of them are concrete or even speculative. I'm just waiting to see what they do and so far everything they have mentioned is plausible, not garbage.

TL;DR: If you ever hear refer to something directly as a "WoW clone" dismiss everything they have to say. Especially, if no real information on the game in question has been released.

 

[Dragon Zero]

Like I've said 1000 times, I'm not miffed about an Old Republic MMO, if they want to do it its their prerogative. What I DON'T like is that they won't consider even making a KotOR 3. I don't like MMORPG's, I don't like having to pay for a game over and over again, I like gaming alone or with a friend in the room (when it comes to RPG's) and I don't game on my PC. That's also a major factor, not everyone plays on the PC, some just like the ease of use of a console. Again its great that they're making this MMO, I just don't plan on playing it.

 

[Jkudo]

I can. I've actually been keeping a close eye on it, so I can confirm that this "logic" is mired in misinformation.

1. Tedious Leveling - This isn't actually to do with TOR news, but the nature of MMOs. You cannot escape grinding in an MMO. It's just not possible. With an MMO, you've got to try and keep players playing your game, and therefore paying, for as long as possible. Grinding stretches the game out. You genuinly cannot build an MMO without it. That said, the "objective", as it were, is to make grinding more interesting. Bioware are attempting to do this in TOR, and we have no idea if they'll succeed at that until Open Beta. It is pointless to make an assumption about it at this point.

2. Every character does not follow the same story line. God alone knows where you heard that since Bioware have constantly stressed each class has its own unique storyline. *pauses* Though I suppose you might mean "there are 1000 Sith Warriors running around following the same story, and 1000 Bounty Hunters doing a different one". This is true, but do you expect a Bioware employee to personally write a story for every player or something? How exactly can you correct such a thing? Presumably the dialogue paths (and branched quests, which are confirmed to exist, by the way) are not enough for you. Oh, and while you're at it, explain to me how that's different to a single player game?

In fact, these seem more like complaints leveled at MMOs as a genre, rather than TOR itself. Ok, you (maybe) don't like MMOs, fair enough. I don't like sports games. Do you see me trolling every thread about Fifa 2011 or whatever? If you don't like a genre, just stay away from it, because there's over 10 million people out there who actually DO like MMOs.

Perhaps there's a little hurt over the fact it's not KOTOR 3. But you may as well complain that they're wasting effort on Dragon Age 2 instead of making Mass Effect 3 (note; I know it's announced and dated, but for the interests of this example, let's pretend it's not). I'll admit I'd like to see a KOTOR 3, but I don't see how that relates to TOR. They'd not necessarily be making one if they weren't the other.

I wouldn't call it logic either but i was too lazy to explain what you pretty much perfectly laid out in your post. Well done! I mean, i've played Kotor....if you can be half as immersed in TOR as you are in the first game then they have a winner. I guess single player vs mmorpg is kinda like being immersed in a story as opposed to a world, great examples of both should have both though.

 

[Lizmichi]

I haven't seen any hate for TOR, hell allot of people I know can't wait for it, me included. *crosses fingers to be part of the beta*

 

[The Common Hours]

ive seen alot of hate for this game...
people that say "i hate it" never had played it
big franchise
competing against a mega giant

recipes for someone to "hate" a game not even out yet...

 

[Flying-Emu]

1) They said you would get your own spaceship. Jubilations! So many options for character customization and roleplay! They later revealed that you would get a class-specific ship.

2) Class-specific partners who actually have an effect on the story! Jubilations! So many options for character development and roleplay! They later revealed that they won't even randomize the names, so you're going to see 10 million Wookies running around with the same name. Kind of breaks the immersion.

3) They said there was going to be advanced/specialization classes. Jubilations! So many options for character customization and roleplay! They later revealed the titles. And one was Jedi Wizard.

I've stopped paying attention after they touted space combat as being huge, important, and awesome, and it turns out it's just a rail shooter that doens't even have PvP.

 

[Manoose47]

i don't hate the idea of TOR, i just think they could spend their time Much better, Battlefront 3, knights of the old republic 3 (or just remake & FINISH the 2nd one), another Jedi knight game (to wash away the stink of the ridiculous force unleashed) i mean star wars used to be the most aweosome franchise in video games, Lucas arts had a gift for making everything feel "Star wars authenthic"

I fear that this Mmo is just another loathsome piece of trash that they'll develop solely for profit, just like the force unleashed. and just like that trash, this will make millions, wther it sucks or is a good mmo.

And because its an mmo, and will do very little to advance the Proper storyline of star wars; hence the totally new time period, it would take too much thought and effort to develop something in one of the current time periods, but this way they can just write any old guff and connect it loosely to the past and future. Its all very convienient: (Waaay before the awesome jedi vs sith war, but also thousands of years after revan)

i mean, we already have an old republic! surely Old can't just cover everything thats happened before the clone wars!

 

[WraithPrince]

3) They said there was going to be advanced/specialization classes. Jubilations! So many options for character customization and roleplay! They later revealed the titles. And one was Jedi Wizard.

Too be fair they renamed it to like Jedi Sage like a week or two ago.

 

[Flying-Emu]

3) They said there was going to be advanced/specialization classes. Jubilations! So many options for character customization and roleplay! They later revealed the titles. And one was Jedi Wizard.

Too be fair they renamed it to like Jedi Sage like a week or two ago.

Didn't hear about that, but thank the Gods above.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

im looking forward to it, for alot of reasons that people are saying are complete opposite such as

"its just a WoW clone"

uh...what? its fucking bioware. and have you any back history on kotor at all? in no way is it a WoW clone, if it is, the game will be dropped so damn fast to the point of not even being worthy of mention. bioware is taking a new spin on mmo's making it more single player based and continuing on the kotor backstory for a more story based approach to things, in which, this is drawing from a new market and different from wow.

if you are saying the above comment, i have no idea what videos you are watching or what info you are looking at, but i do not see a wow clone at all.

i have always despised the subsciption payments, i have always hated the grind and raiding and all that shit involved in mmo's, if you like it, wonderful, im happy for you, but i hate it, it seems like bioware is really taking a stab at getting rid of that kind of crap, and concentrating more on what they do best, which is why me, as like a bunch of other people, are going to give an mmo a try, and actually pay that annoying 15 dollars a month for the game.

in all honesty, i hope the game does great, but im not expecting gods greatest gift (kotor 3 would've been that). Haters gonna hate, and apparently they are some super angsty net nerds.

 

[Kaboose the Moose]

I think, as always, it's too early to tell if it'll be good or bad. Haters will hate (though I haven't really seeing that much hate) but I live my own life...I'll judge it when its done.

I am looking forward to it though. My only concern is that every Tom, Dick and Penelope will be a Jedi, faffing about the countryside spamming lightning bolts or other Midichlorian related shenanigans.