Yah I agree, they are good examples, but I hope you can understand why I feel they may get overlooked.boholikeu said:snip snip!snowfox said:snip
Yah I agree, they are good examples, but I hope you can understand why I feel they may get overlooked.boholikeu said:snip snip!snowfox said:snip
boholikeu said:I saw ads for Portal and Metroid Prime.snowfox said:snip
Anyway though, regardless as to whether or not they were well advertised, they are still examples of mature T games. Saying all T games insult your intelligence is just an over-generalization that frankly isn't true.
Because it's still the parent's right to raise their kids how they want. If you have strict parents, tough luck. That's life. Just wait a few more years and you can move out, play any video games you want and never listen to your parents again if you want.Eggsnham said:Minors can buy games if an approving parent/legal guardian is present, but when "Lil' Jimmy", aged 14; wants to buy say, CoD 4 or CoD MW2 but can't because it's rated "M" and his parents have the no "M" games rule, doesn't he wish that the rating system was more specific towards people of his age group (13-16)? Why deny people experiences because they're under age?
There are T rated games that can be insulting to a person's intelligence, but these are also typically bad games that no self-respecting gamer would want to play anyway (I think the example Snowfox gave was the Transformers game...).Eggsnham said:I realize the mistake of my over-generalizing and now regret taking that risk, as half of the posters on this thread have only set out to formulate a long list of fun not "M" rated games.
Snowfox has a point though, there are good "T" games that aren't boring to those under 13 or so years old, we've established that, but that doesn't change the fact that there are games that are insulting to a person's intelligence when played. And a lot of them too.
Not to mention there are plenty of M rated games that insult MY intelligence by assuming all I care about is "dark" games with tons of boobs and blood.
An additional 15+ rating would be nice, so long as it didn't replace the existing M rating. I think that would be fair, but I don't think you'd see that much of a difference with overprotective parents.Eggsnham said:I'm saying that the kids who have parents who give only thought to the whole "It's "M", so I won't ever say yes based on this." Idea should be given more variety and wiggle than just "E" and "T". Because there are games out there that should be rated "T" or lower that are rated "M". That being said; why don't we integrate a rating system similar to the UK's? Where a game like Red Faction: Guerrilla or MGS4 is rated 15+ I believe, wouldn't this provide more of a customer base for game companies and more happy parents/children?
Any "stupid little kid" feeling you may be having is entirely your own creation because I've been saying the same things to you that I would to a 50-year-old. I just really question the taste of anyone that thinks there are more good M games (or even someone that thinks T games are insult one's intelligence more than M games, for that matter).Eggsnham said:By the way, I am able to play "M" games; let's make that clear. I just think that our rating system is unfair and biased. I say this because you seem to be putting on a bit of a condescending "stupid little kid" sort of "feeling" in your posts.
Fair enough, though I'm still waiting on an argument that shows M rated games are better or more mature than E-T games. I asked for it a while ago, but I never got anything.Eggsnham said:Anyways, I'll let you make your argument; but from then on, let's just agree to disagree, we could keep pulling arguments out of our asses for the next few days and not get anywhere.
I've already apologized for my obvious over exaggeration of the quality of "M" games and have admitted to the flaws of my theory, that said; I think I've already given you your answer.boholikeu said:An additional 15+ rating would be nice, so long as it didn't replace the existing M rating. I think that would be fair, but I don't think you'd see that much of a difference with overprotective parents.Eggsnham said:I'm saying that the kids who have parents who give only thought to the whole "It's "M", so I won't ever say yes based on this." Idea should be given more variety and wiggle than just "E" and "T". Because there are games out there that should be rated "T" or lower that are rated "M". That being said; why don't we integrate a rating system similar to the UK's? Where a game like Red Faction: Guerrilla or MGS4 is rated 15+ I believe, wouldn't this provide more of a customer base for game companies and more happy parents/children?
Any "stupid little kid" feeling you may be having is entirely your own creation because I've been saying the same things to you that I would to a 50-year-old. I just really question the taste of anyone that thinks there are more good M games (or even someone that thinks T games are insult one's intelligence more than M games, for that matter).Eggsnham said:By the way, I am able to play "M" games; let's make that clear. I just think that our rating system is unfair and biased. I say this because you seem to be putting on a bit of a condescending "stupid little kid" sort of "feeling" in your posts.
Fair enough, though I'm still waiting on an argument that shows M rated games are better or more mature than E-T games. I asked for it a while ago, but I never got anything.Eggsnham said:Anyways, I'll let you make your argument; but from then on, let's just agree to disagree, we could keep pulling arguments out of our asses for the next few days and not get anywhere.