Why are all the good games rated "M"?

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Jodah

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Relatively off topic but I think your parents did it right. Once you proved you could handle the content (IE make a strong, well thought out, argument) you were allowed to. Most parents eventually give in to the "but all my friends are doing it" shit, which is why we have psychopaths playing games they shouldn't and then blaming the games rather then the parents.

On topic : As others have said lack of restrictions = more effort from the designers = more fun.
 

Eggsnham

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boholikeu said:
snowfox said:
I saw ads for Portal and Metroid Prime.

Anyway though, regardless as to whether or not they were well advertised, they are still examples of mature T games. Saying all T games insult your intelligence is just an over-generalization that frankly isn't true.

Eggsnham said:
Minors can buy games if an approving parent/legal guardian is present, but when "Lil' Jimmy", aged 14; wants to buy say, CoD 4 or CoD MW2 but can't because it's rated "M" and his parents have the no "M" games rule, doesn't he wish that the rating system was more specific towards people of his age group (13-16)? Why deny people experiences because they're under age?
Because it's still the parent's right to raise their kids how they want. If you have strict parents, tough luck. That's life. Just wait a few more years and you can move out, play any video games you want and never listen to your parents again if you want.

Eggsnham said:
I realize the mistake of my over-generalizing and now regret taking that risk, as half of the posters on this thread have only set out to formulate a long list of fun not "M" rated games.

Snowfox has a point though, there are good "T" games that aren't boring to those under 13 or so years old, we've established that, but that doesn't change the fact that there are games that are insulting to a person's intelligence when played. And a lot of them too.
There are T rated games that can be insulting to a person's intelligence, but these are also typically bad games that no self-respecting gamer would want to play anyway (I think the example Snowfox gave was the Transformers game...).

Not to mention there are plenty of M rated games that insult MY intelligence by assuming all I care about is "dark" games with tons of boobs and blood.

I'm saying that the kids who have parents who give only thought to the whole "It's "M", so I won't ever say yes based on this." Idea should be given more variety and wiggle than just "E" and "T". Because there are games out there that should be rated "T" or lower that are rated "M". That being said; why don't we integrate a rating system similar to the UK's? Where a game like Red Faction: Guerrilla or MGS4 is rated 15+ I believe, wouldn't this provide more of a customer base for game companies and more happy parents/children?

By the way, I am able to play "M" games; let's make that clear. I just think that our rating system is unfair and biased. I say this because you seem to be putting on a bit of a condescending "stupid little kid" sort of "feeling" in your posts.

Anyways, I'll let you make your argument; but from then on, let's just agree to disagree, we could keep pulling arguments out of our asses for the next few days and not get anywhere.
 

boholikeu

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Eggsnham said:
I'm saying that the kids who have parents who give only thought to the whole "It's "M", so I won't ever say yes based on this." Idea should be given more variety and wiggle than just "E" and "T". Because there are games out there that should be rated "T" or lower that are rated "M". That being said; why don't we integrate a rating system similar to the UK's? Where a game like Red Faction: Guerrilla or MGS4 is rated 15+ I believe, wouldn't this provide more of a customer base for game companies and more happy parents/children?
An additional 15+ rating would be nice, so long as it didn't replace the existing M rating. I think that would be fair, but I don't think you'd see that much of a difference with overprotective parents.

Eggsnham said:
By the way, I am able to play "M" games; let's make that clear. I just think that our rating system is unfair and biased. I say this because you seem to be putting on a bit of a condescending "stupid little kid" sort of "feeling" in your posts.
Any "stupid little kid" feeling you may be having is entirely your own creation because I've been saying the same things to you that I would to a 50-year-old. I just really question the taste of anyone that thinks there are more good M games (or even someone that thinks T games are insult one's intelligence more than M games, for that matter).

Eggsnham said:
Anyways, I'll let you make your argument; but from then on, let's just agree to disagree, we could keep pulling arguments out of our asses for the next few days and not get anywhere.
Fair enough, though I'm still waiting on an argument that shows M rated games are better or more mature than E-T games. I asked for it a while ago, but I never got anything.
 

Eggsnham

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boholikeu said:
Eggsnham said:
I'm saying that the kids who have parents who give only thought to the whole "It's "M", so I won't ever say yes based on this." Idea should be given more variety and wiggle than just "E" and "T". Because there are games out there that should be rated "T" or lower that are rated "M". That being said; why don't we integrate a rating system similar to the UK's? Where a game like Red Faction: Guerrilla or MGS4 is rated 15+ I believe, wouldn't this provide more of a customer base for game companies and more happy parents/children?
An additional 15+ rating would be nice, so long as it didn't replace the existing M rating. I think that would be fair, but I don't think you'd see that much of a difference with overprotective parents.

Eggsnham said:
By the way, I am able to play "M" games; let's make that clear. I just think that our rating system is unfair and biased. I say this because you seem to be putting on a bit of a condescending "stupid little kid" sort of "feeling" in your posts.
Any "stupid little kid" feeling you may be having is entirely your own creation because I've been saying the same things to you that I would to a 50-year-old. I just really question the taste of anyone that thinks there are more good M games (or even someone that thinks T games are insult one's intelligence more than M games, for that matter).

Eggsnham said:
Anyways, I'll let you make your argument; but from then on, let's just agree to disagree, we could keep pulling arguments out of our asses for the next few days and not get anywhere.
Fair enough, though I'm still waiting on an argument that shows M rated games are better or more mature than E-T games. I asked for it a while ago, but I never got anything.
I've already apologized for my obvious over exaggeration of the quality of "M" games and have admitted to the flaws of my theory, that said; I think I've already given you your answer.
 

Damon Brood

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Well, call me a scaredy cat but some games freak me out, Bioshock is a good example, it was rated well. Oblivion is a different story, they changed the rating to M because of the little topless texture that was included in the game, even though the rest of the game was T rated. Oblivion didn't deserve a M rating, look at Spore you are given the means to make sexual things on your creatures n' such, it's not rated M.
 

SoranMBane

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I imagine it's because so many E and T-rated games are made with those age demographics in mind. And since society at large seems to have a rather low opinion of the mental capacity of their children, they'll usually end up with insultingly easy games with very little depth to their subject matter. When a developer goes into the project with an adult demographic or even no demographic in mind, it frees them up to include the kind of challenge, intelligence, and complexity that we normally expect of a good game (assuming the developers don't also have a skewed opinion of what "maturity" is), and it's rare when that process produces a game that could be widely considered "child-friendly."
 
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i think the diff between M is the level of violence, gore, sexual contenet. i think the reason you may think the best games are M is because you cant have them ("you" meaning young people in general)

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InfectedStar

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"It's almost like our rating system is set up so that you can't enjoy a good portion of the good games until you're a certain age, on purpose. Although I do hate squeakers when you're trying to something ingame... But I stand by my point."[/quote]

It has to do with those arguements on the influence violent games have on young minds, come on you don't think it's right for a six year to play something like Splatterhouse, you don't want a kid trying to reenact something from the game that's how most of the incidents happen. I know it sucks seeing as you're talking about this now means you're probably the same age as me (give or take) but their there for a reason, we all (or most of us) know what it's like not to be able to play the violent games when were young (or because of parnets) but it's for our own good and shows that our parents (or gaurdians) care and aren't just giving us any trash to amuse us.