Why are MOST PC gamers full of so much hatred towards Consoles?

[Super Toast]

Consoles have simply made gaming more accessible and mainstream.

Translation: Increased the amount of money going into developers and publishers pockets, therefore increasing the quality of games with each passing year.

Fixed for you. You can thank me later.

Yea...because MW2 and Black Ops were so much better than CoD 2, amirite? Or were there just more shinies added and features dropped?

That's what I thought. If these developers were to spend the extra revenue to create something original and feature-rich, that would be a different story. Instead they just take the money and churn out a "new" version of the same FPS we've played a million times already each year. To please the lowest common denominator. Namely, console kiddies who really like titties and explosions.

I won't go so far to say that nothing good has come from consoles, but the majority of stuff worth playing is brought to us by the indie developers (see avatar). Roughly the same amount of decent products are released by indie devs on the PC, however, and they don't have charges imposed upon them by services like XBL.

The sheer amount of things wrong with your post are unbelievable. For starters, CoD is not the only game in existence. You'll need more than one example. And to say that CoD 2 is better than the modern ones is entirely subjective. A poll held on this very website showed that CoD4 is the favourite around here, so make of that what you will.

Secondly, you act as if there are no unique games on consoles today. That is a blatant lie. Brutal Legend, Limbo, Deathspank, Mass Effect, Uncharted, Borderlands, Assassin's Creed and Red Dead Redemption were all on consoles and are all fantastic original properties. I know a couple of those were on the PC, but my point still stands.

Some amazing games come out on the PC, others on consoles, and to deny that would be blatant fanboyism. (Yay for made up words)

 

[Serenegoose]

Generally, consoles introduced a whole new generation of children to videogaming - screechy, whining children with middle class parents and, being children, they didn't have very sophisticated tastes, and generally wanted stuff the PC gamers already had without the effort. (omg gore and action without say, needing to build your own pc). The exact same argument is currently forming between 'hardcore' and 'casual' gamers, the only difference is the demographic is more diffuse. You have people who've been gaming for a while and want the genre to transform, and they see other gamers (the casuals, in this case) wanting 'dumbed down' easy access stuff that's already gotten staler than stale for the hardcore. The thing is, the argument then and now is largely formed on bullshit with a few good points, and the bullshit (antagonism between gamers) gets in the way of the good points (a larger demographic causing the market to be swamped with goods they want, drowning out minorities). Where the PCvconsole thing still draws breath is that many PC gamers see themselves as the hardcoriest of the hardcore, and everyone else as stagnating casuals, so the antagonism runs quite rampant in the community along that line.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I'm full of hatred? My mistake, I could have sworn it was apathy.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Consoles are great ... however, console shooters are not.
Aim assistance is the greatest disgrace to have ever been made popular, and I'm counting all the weird stuff from Japan.

Pretty much that. And the majority of 360 players I come across are complete douche bags. Like one guy was arguing with me saying I wasn't up for the challenge of using analog sticks that fail in accuracy compared to a mouse. Plus, because of consoles, a lot of PC games get down-graded or shafted. I do still enjoy consoles, though. Been playing my PS3 a lot lately.

 

[The-Epicly-Named-Man]

It's so stupid, all this hate thing. What possible reason would you have for insulting anothers gaming platform of choice, it benefits no one especially not you.

 

[Chibz]

Generally, consoles introduced a whole new generation of children to videogaming - screechy, whining children with middle class parents and, being children, they didn't have very sophisticated tastes, and generally wanted stuff the PC gamers already had without the effort. (omg gore and action without say, needing to build your own pc). The exact same argument is currently forming between 'hardcore' and 'casual' gamers, the only difference is the demographic is more diffuse. You have people who've been gaming for a while and want the genre to transform, and they see other gamers (the casuals, in this case) wanting 'dumbed down' easy access stuff that's already gotten staler than stale for the hardcore. The thing is, the argument then and now is largely formed on bullshit with a few good points, and the bullshit (antagonism between gamers) gets in the way of the good points (a larger demographic causing the market to be swamped with goods they want, drowning out minorities). Where the PCvconsole thing still draws breath is that many PC gamers see themselves as the hardcoriest of the hardcore, and everyone else as stagnating casuals, so the antagonism runs quite rampant in the community along that line.

I'd just like to correct you on one thing: Assembling a PC isn't hard. Anyone can do it. I've built my first PC when I was twelve. Hell, I even taught a mentally handicapped individual how to upgrade his PC and that's mostly there.

Being able to build your own PC doesn't make you hardcore.

Most console gamers I, personally, spend time gaming with are former PC gamers. And the only guy who sticks on PC does so to pirate... Ah, well.

My PC is just falling behind as far as hardware goes because I can't be bothered to invest money in it. Dollar for dollar it's just not a wise investment. Most my games on PC were made before 2000. Why would I need it to be more powerful?

 

[Pandaman1911]

I have both, use both, and will continue to use both. I enjoy the fact that I can just pick up a controller and stomp some heads as Marcus Fenix without any preparation or installation, but I also enjoy the fact that I can take the mustache off a Russian at two kilometers with a crossbow because I'm playing with a mouse. Honestly, I think Yahtzee was right when he said we back our horse the most when we find out it's the losing one, just so we don't look like idiots. I don't really get it.

 

[Hazard12]

One thing that i always did notice is that the PC gamers are usually the ones to start the whole war.

So you felt like bucking that trend and having a (now) console gamer start it?

Ok, I don't think you were trying to start a war really (I assume that's why you capitalised "MOST" in the title), but you must know that this is likely to become such.

 

[RatRace123]

Because people are dicks and any outlet that people can express their dickishness through, they will.
It's the same with console wars, people spouting off "facts" and bias statistics that proclaim why their chosen system is better than yours, not realizing, or not caring that a lot of people really don't give a damn about all that.

We should be uniting as gamers and trying to prove we're worth a damn, but we'd rather waste time fighting each other about stuff that doesn't matter.

 

[gl1koz3]

Who cares.

And why you capitalize "Consoles"? This is rather pushing it on your side...

 

[Veldel]

Im happily a Everything gamer as I like to say so screw sticking to console or PC I do it all i get the best of all worlds :3


There are pro's and con's to all consoles and PC nothing is perfect to many people only care about what one thing can do and blah blah blah when it should all be about whats importent the games some things I enjoy on PC and other I enjoy on Console why because they both play some games better simple fact but due to some stupid complex people want to try and make it seem like there better your worse end of story.



Simply put I am happy playing PC and Console I never miss out on my games I want and im always happy with stuff

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Because, despite PCs being the most expensive system (and better system, technologically, peripherally, graphics, customisability, mod-ability, control-wise), PCs get the short end of the stick because of consoles.

 

[JeanLuc761]

Not many younger kids play Xbox Live or PSN as most people would think.

This reminds me of the whole "Only loud obnoxious brats play CoD!". That is a false generalization. You do get the occasional annoying little kid, but that is VERY easily fixed by a Mute button.

And not many PC gamers are elitist pricks as you would think.

This reminds me of the whole "every PC gamer is a rich asshole and has a $2500 rig". That is a false generalization. Yes some people go that route, but most just spend around $400 on parts and build it themselves, then use that for a few years. I myself spend $350 on mine, and its been working just fine for the past 3 years.

Exactly. My PC cost me $600 and I can run Doom all the way up to Crysis.

I will say one thing though, this thread has inspired me to finish my article debunking all the popular gaming myths and misconceptions surrounding the system wars. Yay!

 

[Wicky_42]

Usually in most threads you come across, full of PC gamers (fanboys, if you will) and Console gamers, it always turns into a gigantic flame war on what is better.

And yet there you are, calling PC gamers but not console gamers fanboys and then going on about PC gamers being the ones to start everything, lol. Nice hypocrisy there

Personally, the problem I have with consoles is that they have lead to an influx of simplified games being ported across to the PC, normally badly. You can really tell when a game's been ported - it's just more clumbsy, less refined.

Oh, plus console gamers don't (or at least, didn't at the height of the fanboy wars) like to admit any flaws in their platform of choice - not even factual ones. Gives a certain license to laugh at them.

 

[Serenegoose]

I'd just like to correct you on one thing: Assembling a PC isn't hard. Anyone can do it. I've built my first PC when I was twelve. Hell, I even taught a mentally handicapped individual how to upgrade his PC and that's mostly there.

Being able to build your own PC doesn't make you hardcore.

Most console gamers I, personally, spend time gaming with are former PC gamers. And the only guy who sticks on PC does so to pirate... Ah, well.

My PC is just falling behind as far as hardware goes because I can't be bothered to invest money in it. Dollar for dollar it's just not a wise investment. Most my games on PC were made before 2000. Why would I need it to be more powerful?

You don't get what I'm saying. I build my PC, it's piss easy. I know that - but the point is there's a collective belief that building a PC is impossible. Really difficult. Takes so much effort and time and money that really, it'd be easier just to get a console. They just 'work', right? Besides, this is not a big portion of my argument. It's just a facet. Children are less likely to build their own computer, they're more likely to just have a console, and so play what's on offer on the console. This increases the association of 'casual' children gamers using consoles and not PCs and so the divide increases.

 

[TundraWolf]

All i see is someone who took my OP not too lightly, and is now lashing out against me.

All you see is all you wanted to see from the start. That's what I tried to tell you.

But don't take my word for it, listen to all the rest of the people quoting you.

I wanted to see nothing more than a intelligent discussion on the matter of which i speak. There was no intentions of an all out flame debate.

Like i said, that is left to the users on this forum.

So basically you knowingly posted a thread that would cause a flame war? And then promptly decided to exit the thread after two pages of discussion? Even when each of your responses until now have consisted of "poking the beehive" to instill even greater responses of agitation from the people who decided to read the thread?

If I remember correctly, I believe that qualifies as what is known as "flame bait". Bravo, sir.

OT: For the record, my first gaming platform was an N64. This generation, I own a PS3, a 360, a Wii and have a PC fit for gaming.

Primarily, I consider myself a PC gamer. I love me some gaming on PC, and not for some pretentious reason like "my PC cost more than your console". No, I play games on PC because of one simple reason: I enjoy the controls better. I make no claims that the controls are better than those on consoles, merely that I enjoy the controls better. At least for some games.

And here's where things get interesting. I much prefer the controls for first-person perspective games on PC over console gaming. I can't really explain why, it just feels more natural for me. Perhaps I enjoy the lack of aim-assist, or perhaps it's just the way my brain is wired. I can't say for sure, but there it is.

Conversely, for games with a third-person perspective, I almost need to play them on console. Again, I'm not sure why, but I very infrequently enjoy games that have a third-person perspective on PC. I think it may have something to do with being able to control both your character and the camera at the same time using both thumbsticks as opposed to one or the other with the mouse, but I'm not sure. I just can't really handle those games otherwise. I don't think I would've enjoyed Mass Effect or Red Dead Redemption near as much as I did if I had to deal with it on PC instead of 360 or PS3, respectively. The only real exception I can think of is for games that have a cool modding community, which is not something actively offered on console.

Then you get to RTSes, which shall forever remain the domain of PC gaming for me. There have been interesting forays on console (Tom Clancy's EndGame and RUSE being the two prominent ones), but nothing that has unseated the diversity of control that a keyboard and mouse offer for RTS control.

So yes. There are my perfectly rational (though perhaps unexplainable) reasons for my preference for PC gaming in some cases. Making generalizations that most PC gamers are full of hate is exactly that: a generalization. Not everyone is as full of rage as you might think. However, when you start a debate by saying "why do most people of [group X] hate [group Y]?", two things are going to happen. For one, you're going to draw out the trolls who will proceed to flame you and each other. For another, most of the "reasonable" people are going to steer well away, seeing this thread as a battlefield and not wanting to get involved once again.

And once again we return to the flame bait thing.

Well done to you, sir. Enjoy the rest of your day.

 

[Danceofmasks]

Not many younger kids play Xbox Live or PSN as most people would think.

This reminds me of the whole "Only loud obnoxious brats play CoD!". That is a false generalization. You do get the occasional annoying little kid, but that is VERY easily fixed by a Mute button.

And not many PC gamers are elitist pricks as you would think.

This reminds me of the whole "every PC gamer is a rich asshole and has a $2500 rig". That is a false generalization. Yes some people go that route, but most just spend around $400 on parts and build it themselves, then use that for a few years. I myself spend $350 on mine, and its been working just fine for the past 3 years.

Exactly. My PC cost me $600 and I can run Doom all the way up to Crysis.

I will say one thing though, this thread has inspired me to finish my article debunking all the popular gaming myths and misconceptions surrounding the system wars. Yay!

Heh ... if people just want a PC that runs games better than their console versions, then PC gaming is actually cheaper than console gaming.
I mean ... the game is cheaper, sure .. but .. who doesn't own a computer?
Throw the price of a console on top of the price of the PC they already own, and they'll have a beast.

 

[Fetzenfisch]

Congratulations, you started the escapist's one millionth "why the hate"thread. you won a week offline and my hatred* .

*no permission to ask about its origin granted.

Congratulations, you contributed nothing to the thread!

I am sure most of the past threads have just been angry console OR PC gamers trying to start a flame war.

I posted a well thought of opinion. I checked it over just to make sure it wouldn't start a flame war.

The fate of that happening is left to the members of this forum.

Blaming PC gamers to start all the flamewars is a very well thought opinion , really worth to restart the very same topic that can be found in a dozen similar threads. If you want my contribution to that topic, look it up in one of these.

 

[Aphex Demon]

Usually in most threads you come across, full of PC gamers (fanboys, if you will) and Console gamers, it always turns into a gigantic flame war on what is better.

One thing that i always did notice is that the PC gamers are usually the ones to start the whole war. It almost seems like they get enjoyment out of starting pointless arguments and debates. Big deal, you paid nearly 1 grand, maybe more just so you can game with a mouse and a keyboard. Paying more for your gaming situation gives you no excuse to talk down on people who pay less for their gaming set ups (I.e console gamers).

I also see no legitimate reasons being stated as to why they hate console gaming. They just start bringing up the whole "Specs vs Specs" debate, and never state factual statements on why they hate/dislike consoles/console gamers.

Why can't you enjoy both? I'm a console gamer/ex PC gamer, but i enjoyed both without bad mouthing on or the other.

I respect both console and PC gamers highly, and i honestly don't see why there always has to be a pointless argument over which is better.

Both platforms have pros and cons, along with excellent games. Some fantastic games are on the PC which are not cross-platform. Some Fantastic games are on the console which are also exclusive.

Thanks for reading, and i hope you do respect this post as a form of ones opinion.

Completely what you just said in its entirety, but pretend I just said it. There, thats my opinion and background.