Why are RPGs developed in Europe so unoriginal?
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I dunno'. I kinda' liked The Witcher.
I haven't played too many European ones besides that, though.
I haven't played too many European ones besides that, though.
There is this odd thing about RPGs most people have at least one that they love, and a ton that they hate. I am wondering if these specific WRPGs were just simply bad. Baldur's Gate is an exceptional WRPG that has an engrossing plot and interesting characters.
One thing that I like more about JRPGs is the fact that they are thematic. Think about the Shin Megami Tensei games, they like to question the value of free will. Or the new game Catherine, also by Atlus, that is all about sex and relationships. This is what I like about JRPGs that I feel I don't see much of from their western counterparts.
One thing that I like more about JRPGs is the fact that they are thematic. Think about the Shin Megami Tensei games, they like to question the value of free will. Or the new game Catherine, also by Atlus, that is all about sex and relationships. This is what I like about JRPGs that I feel I don't see much of from their western counterparts.
Well you are just being silly, those are simply bad games.TheTygerfire said:
Gothic suffers heavily from lack of money for development, so it ended up with a bad story, bad script, bad voice acting, bad animations,...
But all other RPG's of this type are built on the same D&D setting, medieval times, mythical creatures, magic,...
Those were only published by Eidos.Doive said:
The Thief series was developed by Looking Glass Studios. The earlier Deus Ex games were developed by Ion Storm Austin. Both are American companies. Deus Ex: Human Revolution almost counts, because it IS being developed by Eidos - Eidos Montreal, to be exact.
Just Cause still counts as European, though - that series is developed by Avalanche Studios in Stockholm.
How could Europe have "become westernized"? Europe, particularly western Europe, IS the west.Nomanslander said:
Apparently Gothic 4 is bland as heck, so that's a poor example. But, whatever. Your opinions are your opinions.
.......... really? Gothic 4 was an embarressment to the series and divinity 2 is fairly oldTheTygerfire said:
play more before you make a blanket statement i reccomend The Witcher, Gothic 2, SpellForce2,the Fable series to name but a few before you make this statement
European VGs are very interesting and diverse. Have you played Cryostasis?
Fell free to prove me wrong, but you have given two games that you do not like. Want me to list off every game I didn't like that came out of America? Like I said, the further east you go, the better games you get. The STALKERS are still the pinnacle of what can be done with interesting gameplay in an FPS for me.
I have no problems with American developers, so don't diss everything out of Europe.
Fell free to prove me wrong, but you have given two games that you do not like. Want me to list off every game I didn't like that came out of America? Like I said, the further east you go, the better games you get. The STALKERS are still the pinnacle of what can be done with interesting gameplay in an FPS for me.
I have no problems with American developers, so don't diss everything out of Europe.
Those are just two games dude. Try The Witcher for example. It's much more original in terms of plot and combat (although most people dislike the combat for some reason. For me it was refreshing change from 'click all enemies to death' formula) than anything made by American WRPG makers.TheTygerfire said:
No, not really. CD Projekt (and it's dev studio CD Projekt Red which is responsible for The Witcher), is a Warsaw-based company, which operates in Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia.Merkavar said:
Look it up. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Projekt]
I think that many European gamers, particularly from Germany and Eastern Europe, have a very hard line on what a "real RPG" is. That tends to make the games pretty conservative and similar to each other. But it doesn't make sense to see Europe as one place with one character although for PC games Germany is a very important market.
I think that you can very roughly split Europe into three defining trans national characters. Germany is very analytical, they are interested in technical excellence and doing things the right way.
The British mentality on the other hand is very practical. When we are inspired by RPGs we tend to come up with very practical implementations of things that don't end up looking much like traditional RPGs at all. At least, when we still had a creative game industry worth commenting on, instead of a factory that just churns out driving games and movie licences. A British designer might play something like the Traveller RPG then come up with Elite.
The French mentality is more towards shaking things up and not being held back by details. From France you are more likely to see more games that have little attention to things like character sheets and look more like Adventure games.
I think that you can very roughly split Europe into three defining trans national characters. Germany is very analytical, they are interested in technical excellence and doing things the right way.
The British mentality on the other hand is very practical. When we are inspired by RPGs we tend to come up with very practical implementations of things that don't end up looking much like traditional RPGs at all. At least, when we still had a creative game industry worth commenting on, instead of a factory that just churns out driving games and movie licences. A British designer might play something like the Traveller RPG then come up with Elite.
The French mentality is more towards shaking things up and not being held back by details. From France you are more likely to see more games that have little attention to things like character sheets and look more like Adventure games.
Not really. Just correcting a mistake, since it's not 'Prague-based'. I live in Warsaw, so I felt obligated to point that out. It's not an attack on you though, and I'm sorry if it sounded this way.Merkavar said:
Because you don't know anything about the topic and presume that having played two recent and mediocre iterations of what once used to be solid franchise that you're an expert on the subject? Two one-time amazing series which have since been wattered down in order to appeal to the 'masses' and in the process having lost everything which made the original Divine Divinity and Gothic 1 & 2 so great? And that because apparently this is your only contact with these sorts of things you're going to judge the whole of Europe by those standards as some sort of sly backlash against all the topics of a similar vein but having to do with Japan?
Just a guess. Now excuse me while I go back to playing King's Bounty...
By the way, best damn turn-based tactics game since Heroes of Might & Magic 3 if you haven't played it!
Just a guess. Now excuse me while I go back to playing King's Bounty...
By the way, best damn turn-based tactics game since Heroes of Might & Magic 3 if you haven't played it!