Why are so many people wary of science?

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Skylane14 said:
KnowYourOnion said:
After reading a couple of topics here and else where it struck me that a good percentage of people seem to either harbour doubts about science or openly admit to not trusting scientists in general.
So fellow escapists what do you think about science, scientists and why do some many people dislike "science" overall?
Personally it's because science is in and of itself a logical paradox. It sells theories as fact, and is incredibly prone to elitism. Most scientists strike me as incredibly arrogant bastards who will, if you so much as begin to question their ideas, either click their tongues and condescendingly explain why you are a moron without actually responding to a word you said, or fly into an impotent nerd rage.
A good scientist always knows that his theory is only a stepping stone that will eventually be over-turned in favour of a newer, better theory. It is the public who take scientific theory as fact. It is amazing how many people who I study physics with don't appreciate that every theory we have is only a mathematical construct that can describe an event.
 

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"I don't want to talk to a scientist, ya'll muthafuckas lying and making me pissed."

You have to be skeptical when it comes to what scientists say. You can't believe every little thing people say, otherwise science would contradict itself a lot. Especially when you look back in time at all the things people thought they knew. But really, you can't just accept everything someone says without looking into it just because they have a degree. You can listen to the ideas brought up, but don't just blindly follow it.
Oh my god, we actually play a game with that song. "How long can you make it before you have to close the browser". And funny how you mention science contradicting itself. Religion contradicts itself too, yet people seem to deny that and make up stories for why it doesn't, why doesn't the same work for science?
 

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Science has been around for millenia, and it only gets criticised when it conflicts with precious beliefs. This is one of the reasons I don't like the concept of religion; it was the science of its era, meant to try to make sense of what little our race knew of the universe back then. Since then, we've learnt many more things that have allowed us to advance this science past the point where we had to stop back then, and since religion is 'sacred', it can't adapt to it.
 
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KnowYourOnion said:
After reading a couple of topics here and else where it struck me that a good percentage of people seem to either harbour doubts about science or openly admit to not trusting scientists in general.
So fellow escapists what do you think about science, scientists and why do some many people dislike "science" overall?
Blindly trusting science is very unscientific.
 

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Assassin Xaero said:
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openly admit to not trusting scientists in general.
Because they are biased and they lie, well, at least some of them. How do I know? Well when some say they proved there is global warming and others proved there isn't global warming, you know someone is lying.
Yes someone's lying and if you honestly cared about the subject you would do some background reading using the internet find out which side has the most evidence and has actually been peer-reviewed rather than being published in some pop magazine. Only after doing could you make an informed decision on which side is more likely to be telling the truth or if you can't be arsed to do all of this, which would probably take you about 45 minutes using the internet, then you ere on the side of caution. In the case of climate change ,not global warming, you would maybe make an effort to try and curb your excesses.
 

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And don't talk to me about no scientists, all of them motherfuckers are lying, and getting me pissed.
Actually, take just about any line from the Insane Clown Posse song "Miracles" and you'll have a window into how an anti-science person thinks.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/learn-your-motherfuckin-science-with-the-icp/

The main reason people dislike science is that it disproves many of the tenets of the religion, and instead of changing their own views, just decide to ignore it. Thats how you get people who don't believe in evolution and are completely closed to any scientific reason to how the universe was made.
 

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Willwillwritehiswill said:
KnowYourOnion said:
After reading a couple of topics here and else where it struck me that a good percentage of people seem to either harbour doubts about science or openly admit to not trusting scientists in general.
So fellow escapists what do you think about science, scientists and why do some many people dislike "science" overall?
Blindly trusting science is very unscientific.
I never said to trust science blindly because as you say it undermines scientific process but do you honestly think the average pleb can honestly argue with what a scientist says?
 

KnowYourOnion

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Well, personally, I hate scientists because all of them motherfuckers are lying, and getting me pissed.

Actually, take just about any line from the Insane Clown Posse song "Miracles" and you'll have a window into how an anti-science person thinks.

The main reason people dislike science is that it disproves many of the tenets of the religion, and instead of changing their own views, just decide to ignore it. Thats how you get people who don't believe in evolution and are completely closed to any scientific reason to how the universe was made.
No they're not.........you are actually provably wrong
 

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It's the people that don't bother to understand what science is and the beauty of it, or the ones who were never any good in math and don't see its utility in real life, therefore automatically distrusting anyone that pursues useless things. Meh, whatever, I don't care about those people.
 

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Assassin Xaero said:
Oh my god, we actually play a game with that song. "How long can you make it before you have to close the browser". And funny how you mention science contradicting itself. Religion contradicts itself too, yet people seem to deny that and make up stories for why it doesn't, why doesn't the same work for science?
Easy, because science can be proven with tests. Religion just needs faith. Yeah, it's a lame cop-out argument and I know you won't be satisfied, but you can test scientific experiments again and again and again and if it's not the same, then it can't be proven. Religious activity often cannot be replicated. I know you won't accept that as a valid argument, but I really don't like getting into lame religious debates, especially over the internet.
 

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KnowYourOnion said:
Snarky Username said:
Well, personally, I hate scientists because all of them motherfuckers are lying, and getting me pissed.

Actually, take just about any line from the Insane Clown Posse song "Miracles" and you'll have a window into how an anti-science person thinks.

The main reason people dislike science is that it disproves many of the tenets of the religion, and instead of changing their own views, just decide to ignore it. Thats how you get people who don't believe in evolution and are completely closed to any scientific reason to how the universe was made.
No they're not.........you are actually provably wrong
Sorry, I was assuming everyone in here has heard about the laughably ignorant song Miracles, that does not reflect my opinion, it's a line from the song.

 

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Snarky Username said:
Well, personally, I hate scientists because all of them motherfuckers are lying, and getting me pissed.

Actually, take just about any line from the Insane Clown Posse song "Miracles" and you'll have a window into how an anti-science person thinks.

The main reason people dislike science is that it disproves many of the tenets of the religion, and instead of changing their own views, just decide to ignore it. Thats how you get people who don't believe in evolution and are completely closed to any scientific reason to how the universe was made.
All manner of science up in this *****!

I love science personally, it's great
 

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I know one person in my school who says that all Science is lies, etc. I'm not surprised since she's a hardcore Christian. It just... baffles me.
Wow that's dumb, she has obviously never heard of Christian science. The raw evidence support all theories out there right now, including the Bible, so she is obviously undereducated on the subject. You'd think she would say something about it supporting Christianity.
 

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Um... for hte most part I think people want results and most scientists don't give them, just more and more theory and more and more, "give us 10 years and the thing we just did will matter".

I think more people are growing weary of ignorant religious crap than science.
 

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Snarky Username said:
KnowYourOnion said:
Snarky Username said:
Well, personally, I hate scientists because all of them motherfuckers are lying, and getting me pissed.

Actually, take just about any line from the Insane Clown Posse song "Miracles" and you'll have a window into how an anti-science person thinks.

The main reason people dislike science is that it disproves many of the tenets of the religion, and instead of changing their own views, just decide to ignore it. Thats how you get people who don't believe in evolution and are completely closed to any scientific reason to how the universe was made.
No they're not.........you are actually provably wrong
Sorry, I was assuming everyone in here has heard about the laughably ignorant song Miracles, that does not reflect my opinion, it's a line from the song.

Oh shit!!
sorry my bad epic brain failure there.....
 

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My own take on the thread topic is both "scale" and "satisfaction". The reason Science is so hard to grasp these days is mostly because of the scale of things, or volume of information to be contained.

I have used the pocket calculator example a few times, and I think it's a decent analogy here.
These days, pretty much anyone and their dog can make a pocket calculator if they have the time and the know-how (either trail and error, or the instruction booklet).
Twenty or so years ago, it might have taken an engineer with a degree to do the same, seeing as the technology was primitive, and we didn't know how to make it.

As I've already said: these days are much different. Anyone can do it, if they wanted to. However, making more complicated circuitry and/or computers require much more education and training. This is what I mean when I say "scale".
While this is related to the sciences behind technology, the general principle remains the same.

When I refer to "satisfaction", I mean that some people are happy with understanding *this* part of the whole. Some are, some aren't.

On can be satisfied with the simple explanation of why, say... there's gravity. Gravity is a force that is mostly oriented "down" from our viewpoint. This force comes from the planet Earth, and generally, the bigger something is, the great the gravity.

Simple enough, ja?

However, some people might not be happy with "it's because of the Earth", and want to know why the Earth does it. Then you have to explain it further (increasing the scale of scientific babble), until the person is satisfied with what they are told and understand.

Generally, it's easier to shy away from science, since you need to understand so much more these days, than what we used to. But, it all boils down to what we want to know, and how much we want to understand of that knowledge.
 

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maybe they see science as a form of sorcery :p

people just need to be educated, but sadly science is getting more overlooked here in the UK as more students opt for subjects they find easier (and i guess interesting as it is taught so badly in schools)

i think science is awesome, finished my masters last year :D
 

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Snarky Username said:
The main reason people dislike science is that it disproves many of the tenets of the religion, and instead of changing their own views, just decide to ignore it. Thats how you get people who don't believe in evolution and are completely closed to any scientific reason to how the universe was made.
Raw science without any labels on it alines perfectly with what the Bible says. Scientific reasons to how the universe was made are just theories researched by people with different options than Christians. They have the same evidence they just see it different ways, and they both have solid arguments(in other words it's kind of naive to say they "just decide to ignore it").