Why are Star Wars episodes I-III deemed so bad?

Recommended Videos

Amphoteric

New member
Jun 8, 2010
1,276
0
0
Cowabungaa said:
And probably some more. I myself don't hate them as much as most people and I generally find them pretty entertaining. Heck, the one that's seen as the worst, Phantom Menace, is actually my favourite prequel film. The reasons are simple:
- Far less green screen than the other 2.
- Anakin is an annoying kid, yes, but way less annoying than Emo Anakin.
- Liam Neeson.
- Darth Maul.
- Podracing.

And I don't mind the midi-chlorians that much. By the Nine people, they're just indications of Force sensitivity. They don't decide whether you're an awesome Jedi or anything, it has barely if anything to do with the Jedi and I don't see how they could take away so much of their mysticism.

There's no reason to hate them that much, there are far worse things about those movies.
I never really got star wars due to the fact A new hope was released 16 years before I was born but I generally liked them.

And I agree with you in the way that after seeing the A-Team my entire opinion of the movie could be summed up in 6 words
Lots of explosions and Liam Neeson.
 

Lord Aronsworth

New member
Jul 20, 2010
45
0
0
Country
USA
Ooh, fun. What I hated:

Two-dimensional characters.
Incohesive plot. Seriously, they skip so far between each other they're barely sequels.
Jake Lloyd.
Hayden Christensen.
Vader's "NOOO".
Terrible choreography in Episode II's lightsaber fight with Dooku.
The Sith fights, except against Palpatine, are the most blatant display of blind loyalty to one's party/group I've ever seen.
Pod races.
Gungans.

What I liked:

Liam Neeson.
Ewan McGregor
Samuel L. Jackson
Yoda jumping around fighting Sith lords, then needing a cane to walk six feet to his wounded friends.
Jango Fett was kind of cool.
 

Cowabungaa

New member
Feb 10, 2008
10,806
0
0
Rex Dark said:
the child who was destined to become the Badass we all know as Darth Vader.
That's the thing; especially the last 2 prequels totally rape Vader's badassness. He was a whiny, angsty teen for frak's sake! Is that what you pictured when you first saw Darth Vader board Leia's ship?

Woodsey put it perfectly; I imagined a fall ala Harvey Dent. Still emotional, still rather tragic, but sure as hell not angsty and weak.
Kenko said:
For some reason my post wasnt posted, just the quote. Hmm, well what I said in reply was basicly "They should've been more clear with what they were as Pokemon Gin made it sound like the midichlorians WERE the force rather then what you just said.
I, as Woodsey, never had any problem noticing that in the films. Lucas doesn't write the best dialogue out there, and it was pretty woolly, but basically said; midi-chlorians attune one to the Force. The more you have, the better you can use it.

That doesn't mean the Force comes from them, nor does it say what the user will do with those powers.
dragonslayer32 said:
I hated the midi chlorian idea. Jedis are supposed to be spiritual people, a bit like the matrix, free your mind, anything is possible. Now, they are saying that only a select few can be jedis and it is either you have it, or you don't
I don't think they ever said that just everyone could become a Jedi. Not in the prequels, not in the original movies, not in the behind-the-movies lore.

Again, I fail to see how midi-chlorians ruin the party, they've been around since 1977! They just made their first public appearance in Epi 1.
Amphoteric said:
And I agree with you in the way that after seeing the A-Team my entire opinion of the movie could be summed up in 6 words
Lots of explosions and Liam Neeson.
Dammit! Now I wished I did see that flick.
 

Mutie

New member
Feb 2, 2009
487
0
0
They do not sync with the original Star Wars setting. Star Wars is a bleak, hopeless universe; a contemporary mixture of fanciful science fiction and historic analogy. Plus, the prequels are just terrible, terrible film making.
 

SomeBritishDude

New member
Nov 1, 2007
5,081
0
0
They're not just bad. They're some of the worst movies ever made. They're not even bad enough to be laughable campy fun, their just boring and painful to watch. Even as a kid I fell asleep watching Phantom Menace.

 

IMAGinES

New member
Jun 1, 2009
46
0
0
HijiriOni said:
OH Speaking of Palpatine, 1-3 actually retconned him, just a tad. He's not a true sith or even truly capable of using the force. His lightning bolts come from mechanisms that drain his life to generate them, which is why he rapidly ages after using them. But they basically made him seem like he was a sith accept showing the rapid aging, but they don't explain it.
I thought Palpatine's "rapid aging" was actually him frying under the onslaught of his own lightning as it bounced back off Windu's blade.
 

JediMB

New member
Oct 25, 2008
3,094
0
0
Cowabungaa said:
That's the thing; especially the last 2 prequels totally rape Vader's badassness. He was a whiny, angsty teen for frak's sake! Is that what you pictured when you first saw Darth Vader board Leia's ship?
Is Luke in Episode IV what you picture when you think "the most powerful Jedi ever"?
 

JediMB

New member
Oct 25, 2008
3,094
0
0
IMAGinES said:
HijiriOni said:
OH Speaking of Palpatine, 1-3 actually retconned him, just a tad. He's not a true sith or even truly capable of using the force. His lightning bolts come from mechanisms that drain his life to generate them, which is why he rapidly ages after using them. But they basically made him seem like he was a sith accept showing the rapid aging, but they don't explain it.
I thought Palpatine's "rapid aging" was actually him frying under the onslaught of his own lightning as it bounced back off Windu's blade.
The lightning only burned away his disguise, apparently.
 

HobbyJim

New member
Aug 4, 2009
145
0
0
Well, to be honest, I liked them. Yeah, I said it. I liked them. But I liked them in that, "My son has failed me by choosing to be a drug addict but I still have to love and support him" kind of way.

For me, I really enjoyed the STORY of the prequels. By that, I mean I appreciate and respect the growth and death and essential rebirth of Anakin Skywalker. When you put all six together, it becomes Anakin's story more than it does Luke's, and I can dig that. It's a really compelling story that I think anyone can enjoy. Also, when you look at Luke's and Anakin's characters and compare, the paths are very similar, but they make different decisions.

Where the prequel trilogy goes wrong is the execution of telling that story. The issue here is that, and I think he knows it, is that George Lucas is NOT a director. Matter of fact, he hates working with actors, more than likely why there was a ton of blue screen work. Also, he isn't the best dialogue writer. But, I will say that he is an incredible storyteller.

But then, you might ask, why are the prequels regarded as crap when the originals are held in the highest regard? Would George Lucas not have the same tools as he did before and make another set of excellent movies? Well, you would think that, but...ok, let me explain. The first film (Episode IV) Was written and directed by George. And it was great! The 2nd (Episode V) was co-written by Lawrence Kasdan and Directed by Irvin Kirshner. The third (Episode VI) was again co-written by Kasdan but directed by Richard...ah fuck, I can't remember his name. My point is, ask any Star Wars fan worth his mettle and they can tell you they enjoyed Empire or Return of the Jedi more than they did the original because Lucas had help both in the script and on set. With the prequel trilogy, he probably thought that he could handle all that stuff on his own since he's got all the time and money in the world to make these movies. Not to mention that putting someone else behind the camera and having someone else look at his script was probably not his favorite idea, but he had to do it for the first three films, otherwise he would have gone insane, or had a stroke or something.

In the end, I appreciated the Star Wars prequel films because they expanded the universe and showed us the origin of Darth Vader, although I think I preferred not knowing. The thing about mysteries is that once you know what they are, they lose their power. Which is sad. I look at the prequel films and I smile, but there is immense sadness inside me that I don't want to show, because they could have been something so much greater.
 

Bill_Stanbrook

New member
Oct 13, 2009
64
0
0
I mean, in the original version of the first movie, Han Solo shot first, for fucksake.

What I want to know is - where did George Lucas's balls drop off?

Should we send a search party to try to find them? Maybe we can glue them back on, and get all the prequels remade as proper contributions to the Star Wars franchise.

It's a thought to think about.
 

HijiriOni

New member
Jan 26, 2010
65
0
0
OH I thought about another one.

The original star wars trilogy was based on the concept "Western Movie IN SPACE" Han Solo is most people's favorite character and he very much rides on screen like John Wayne or Clint Eastwood. Luke is the naive youth wanting to save the world. Leia starts out as the damsel in distress, but then she actually has a personality and some fight in her. So on. Most the original characters we're textbook western characters placed in a sci-fi setting.

The new trilogy basically forgot the whole western theme completely and went for futuristic characters in a futuristic setting. Which didn't feel canon.
 

Doctor What

New member
Jul 29, 2008
621
0
0
Because the original trilogy used about 300 special effects per, and relied on the story to keep us entertained. And the new ones, use about 2000 and rely on them to entertain us.
 

Brandon237

New member
Mar 10, 2010
2,959
0
0
I agree with the OP, but SW 2 was still bad, I won't deny that. And guys, the first 3 were still very camp... *Flame deflecting lightsaber*
 

EightGaugeHippo

New member
Apr 6, 2010
2,076
0
0
Midichlrophil. Remove this aspect and there is potentail for a good set of prequeles. Even Jar-Jar was ok, I found him slightly funny. But since those films where ruined I deny there existance. I might be over reacting but this is how I lable each film:

The Star Wars Films
-Episode I: A New Hope
-Episode II: The Empire Strikes Back
-Episode III: Return of the Jedi

The Spinoff Films
-Phantom Menace
-Attack of the Clones
-Revenge of the Sith

until Lucas makes one final edit to the Spinoffs to remove midi-watchamacallsem, only then shall I deem them "Episode-ed".
 

HobbyJim

New member
Aug 4, 2009
145
0
0
Doctor What said:
Because the original trilogy used about 300 special effects per, and relied on the story to keep us entertained. And the new ones, use about 2000 and rely on them to entertain us.
As 3PO would say, "I heartily agree with you, sir."
 

HijiriOni

New member
Jan 26, 2010
65
0
0
Easy Street said:
I liked the 3rd one. Cheeriest movie ever. I despised JarJar, and I HATED the first movie. The second one had some good points for me, like Yoda going freak-Jedi and waving his Jedi e-peen. But, the 3rd, yah, I kinda liked it.

I thought they tried to aim them, overall, at too young of an audience. It would be nice if they made something for those of us that actually watched the originals on release IN THE THEATER. Yes, we've grown up now, give us something meatier please. How about what happens after VI? I didn't read the books, but I know that Luke went on to an enterprising career. Tell that story, and for Christ's sake get some good actors and don't dumb it down.
Yep, Champions of the Force, the first book of the new Jedi Academy Trilogy, which is basically like SW7. It's where the emperors "powers" get explained, as well as the technology behind the Death Star. Their actually pretty good reads.
 

Anah'ya

a Taffer
Jun 19, 2010
870
0
0
Take an old classic that spawned one of the most engaging and detailed science fiction franchises out there, fill said franchise with an expanded universe loved by generations... and then crush it all beneath your heel so you can create something tailored for children and teens.

That is why I do not like Episode I to III. That is why I do not like the Clone Wars. That is why I do not like The Force Unleashed.

Call me old and bitter, but watching/playing/reading the new Star Wars feels as though someone had allowed bad Fan Fiction writers to take over.

EDIT: [HEADING=3]Han shot first.[/HEADING] Period.