Because to many the success of the Witcher 2 is representative of the success of PC gaming as a whole.
Why are The Witcher 2 fans so defensive?
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I'm a PC gamer and i do not like the witcher all that much. Needlessly complicated. One could argue that this is a game that wont hold my hand all the time and i appreciate the effort to make a game like that; the combat system is odd to say the least and the Story is almost as bad as the one in oblivion. The sex thing makes the game look immature.
Why are the fans of these games more defensive then Oblivion fans for example (like me) who will admit that the main story sucked balls and the characters where unnerving when they looked at you with their cold, dead eyes?
Maybe they fear this will be the last game of its kind, with "lovable weaknesses" that take you back to the old days of PC gaming you look back upon with rose colored glasses. The games where you spent hours figuring out riddles and then feel a sense of superiority when you beat it.
When you had to draw maps yourself and figure out how to beat that boss that killed you for the fifth time.
If games like that will be the future of PC exclusives, i'll go play some more Oblivion. Or "Spellcaster" or "Phantasy Star", which i beat without drawing maps. Pussies.
Why are the fans of these games more defensive then Oblivion fans for example (like me) who will admit that the main story sucked balls and the characters where unnerving when they looked at you with their cold, dead eyes?
Maybe they fear this will be the last game of its kind, with "lovable weaknesses" that take you back to the old days of PC gaming you look back upon with rose colored glasses. The games where you spent hours figuring out riddles and then feel a sense of superiority when you beat it.
When you had to draw maps yourself and figure out how to beat that boss that killed you for the fifth time.
If games like that will be the future of PC exclusives, i'll go play some more Oblivion. Or "Spellcaster" or "Phantasy Star", which i beat without drawing maps. Pussies.
I acknowledge the existence of fanboys, but yahtzee really did a shoddy job. It is quite evident in the "unskipable" cutscene blunder. He didn't give this game a fair chance. If he did he would have tried to see if it was indeed unskipable and press any button. The game would have immediately said "right-click to skip". Conversely I agreed with him about the potions menu, mutagens and inventory screen. The fact that we have to see Geralt drink the potion and throw away the bottle is silly. It is of course a flaw. I really don't care to see Geralt wiping the sweat off his forehead after he finishes chugging a potion.icame said:
So that people could make these kind of threads HURHUR DUR....(obvious yoke)remnant_phoenix said:
But yokes aside, ALL fans do this. Did you watch ZP's mailbag showdown episode? Many people just can't stand it if someone dislikes their favorite game. Fans are probably angry on Yatzee because he quit early on. As for Greg Tito, well..... What to say about someone who gave Dragon age 2 a perfect score.
The first game also had the same "Humans - Steel, Monsters - Silver" plus it included characters, settings, monsters, etc from the novels. All of which expanded upon things seen in the novels...Lizmichi said:
Really the first game is for fans of the novels and anyone who likes good RPGs. If they want to stay true to them I don't understand why they should suddenly forsake lore for simplicity. I didn't mind the Silver sword vs the Steel sword thing as it has been mentioned it is ridiculously easy to switch weapons.
Yeah... the first game had both. Also they do allude to it in tW2 at least a couple times that his silver sword can take care of monsters, or that this or that monster is vulnerable to silver.synobal said:
But put that aside, because it doesn't even matter when Geralt automatically pulls out the proper sword in combat.
The thing is I love DA2 and I'm not correcting people on how they feel about the game. He has a right to feel what he feels on the game. Just because something was good in an old RPG doesn't mean it works now. Now some old game elements might now work and it's not just because games are being dumbed down. I grew up playing RPGs and I like the new RPGs a bit more then the old games.synobal said:
He does the same thing for me in the Witcher 2, the only time I run into combat with the wrong sword is when I already have the wrong sword out. Like coming from beating some bandits to going to fight Nekkers. So it's exactly like the Witcher 1 in that respectWolfram01 said:
Because the game is actually shit, and instead of accepting it, they do everything in their power to delude themselves. As such, they must fiercely hate anyone who points it out to them.
I played it until Henselt dude was murdered and I went to some important place. It ain't no fun. Characterisation and story are acceptable, but the gameplay is pure shit. Nice graphics tho.
And now, to prove that I am correct and everyone who disagrees is wrong, I will list a couple artsy and great games that I played and loved so I must obviously be an expert. Like Psychonauts which I never played or whatever. Blarghity blargh blargh. Burn.
I played it until Henselt dude was murdered and I went to some important place. It ain't no fun. Characterisation and story are acceptable, but the gameplay is pure shit. Nice graphics tho.
And now, to prove that I am correct and everyone who disagrees is wrong, I will list a couple artsy and great games that I played and loved so I must obviously be an expert. Like Psychonauts which I never played or whatever. Blarghity blargh blargh. Burn.
First of all, I like the Witcher 2. So now that that's out of the way, I'll continue:
1)If someone doesn't like a game you like, realize that THEIR opinion doesn't actually detract from YOUR enjoyment of it. You really don't need a whole group of people agreeing with you that something is great for you to enjoy it. You CAN enjoy things that other people (or even MOST PEOPLE) don't like! Yeah! And here's something that you might find SHOCKING: Other people can dislike things that you like! I know that's a bit much to handle all at once, but it's the truth! Really!
2) Believe it or not, some people might not like the same things you like for legitimate reasons.
3) There will always be negative reviews of games. No game has ever received 100% positive reviews. If a game is good, then you don't have to be "worried" about bad reviews "destroying" it.
4) At the end of the day.... it is just a game.
Young people (10~25, and I'm in that range), especially these days, haven't experienced much of life. We are sheltered, for the most part. Those who have the money to afford video games have a pampered, privileged existence (I count myself in that category). To be blunt: we're emotionally and intellectually immature, for the most part, trying to form identities for ourselves.
Most people, rather than looking within for an identity, choose to look outside themselves, at pop culture. They latch on to certain genres, console platforms, developers, etc, and they start to identify strongly with those products. Rather than see these products as.... just entertainment products (which is what they are, just products), they see them as a critical part of their identity and lifestyle. When they see or hear someone attack a product that they have incorporated within their identity, they feel as if they are being attacked as well.
It's a childish reaction. You are not a game. Criticism of the game is not criticism of you. If you enjoyed it, and someone else didn't, please realize that they are speaking negatively about the game, not you, and that their negative experience doesn't somehow invalidate your positive experience. It's psychology 101, people - you need to realize the faulty emotions that go on within your brain, so that you can control those emotions and fight them.
Then there are those people for which Video Games are their entire life. They have few (or no) friends, they have no other hobbies, they don't really do anything except play games, think about playing games and earning money to play games. Usually these are the younger folks, still in school, who don't have to worry about jobs and stuff. These games make up a big part of their life. Trust me, I've been down this dark path. They derive such satisfaction and emotional wellbeing from the game (because they don't get it from anywhere else) that they start to almost worship the game as a source of happiness. When someone comes along and says that they don't like it, it's almost like they are being told that their "religion" or "lifestyle" or "life philosophy" is wrong, and they react very negatively to it.
To sum up: Defensiveness comes from two things:
1) Emotionally immature gamers who invest WAAAAAAAYYYYY too much emotion into the franchise because they don't have anything else to care about (like careers, family members, spouses, high-ideals or, in general, life)
2) From people who incorporate the game/developer/product has part of their identity. Attack the product/developer/game, and they feel as if you are attacking them and their choices. It's tribalism 101.
Reflect on your emotions - you know what I've said is true. I like games. I play games. But I have a career, an education and a life outside games. I have a proper perspective. Games are ONE part of my life, but they are NOT my entire life. If someone criticizes a game I like (and I like the Witcher 2), you know what I do? I do the mature thing: I simply don't care!
1)If someone doesn't like a game you like, realize that THEIR opinion doesn't actually detract from YOUR enjoyment of it. You really don't need a whole group of people agreeing with you that something is great for you to enjoy it. You CAN enjoy things that other people (or even MOST PEOPLE) don't like! Yeah! And here's something that you might find SHOCKING: Other people can dislike things that you like! I know that's a bit much to handle all at once, but it's the truth! Really!
2) Believe it or not, some people might not like the same things you like for legitimate reasons.
3) There will always be negative reviews of games. No game has ever received 100% positive reviews. If a game is good, then you don't have to be "worried" about bad reviews "destroying" it.
4) At the end of the day.... it is just a game.
Young people (10~25, and I'm in that range), especially these days, haven't experienced much of life. We are sheltered, for the most part. Those who have the money to afford video games have a pampered, privileged existence (I count myself in that category). To be blunt: we're emotionally and intellectually immature, for the most part, trying to form identities for ourselves.
Most people, rather than looking within for an identity, choose to look outside themselves, at pop culture. They latch on to certain genres, console platforms, developers, etc, and they start to identify strongly with those products. Rather than see these products as.... just entertainment products (which is what they are, just products), they see them as a critical part of their identity and lifestyle. When they see or hear someone attack a product that they have incorporated within their identity, they feel as if they are being attacked as well.
It's a childish reaction. You are not a game. Criticism of the game is not criticism of you. If you enjoyed it, and someone else didn't, please realize that they are speaking negatively about the game, not you, and that their negative experience doesn't somehow invalidate your positive experience. It's psychology 101, people - you need to realize the faulty emotions that go on within your brain, so that you can control those emotions and fight them.
Then there are those people for which Video Games are their entire life. They have few (or no) friends, they have no other hobbies, they don't really do anything except play games, think about playing games and earning money to play games. Usually these are the younger folks, still in school, who don't have to worry about jobs and stuff. These games make up a big part of their life. Trust me, I've been down this dark path. They derive such satisfaction and emotional wellbeing from the game (because they don't get it from anywhere else) that they start to almost worship the game as a source of happiness. When someone comes along and says that they don't like it, it's almost like they are being told that their "religion" or "lifestyle" or "life philosophy" is wrong, and they react very negatively to it.
To sum up: Defensiveness comes from two things:
1) Emotionally immature gamers who invest WAAAAAAAYYYYY too much emotion into the franchise because they don't have anything else to care about (like careers, family members, spouses, high-ideals or, in general, life)
2) From people who incorporate the game/developer/product has part of their identity. Attack the product/developer/game, and they feel as if you are attacking them and their choices. It's tribalism 101.
Reflect on your emotions - you know what I've said is true. I like games. I play games. But I have a career, an education and a life outside games. I have a proper perspective. Games are ONE part of my life, but they are NOT my entire life. If someone criticizes a game I like (and I like the Witcher 2), you know what I do? I do the mature thing: I simply don't care!
So including detail from the lore in their game automatically makes it "poorly ported"? How would you have gone past the whole "Silver is for monsters" thing that has been in fantasy lore since werewolf myths that was explained pretty clearly in the novels besides dumbing down everything?Lizmichi said:
Bare in mind that the Witcher 1 wasn't an AAA list release, it ran on an outdated engine for the time with it's relatively low budget shining through at several points. Alienating your fans is the wrong thing to do in this circumstance.
The problem being is that Dragon Age 2 played more like a Hack and Slash with badly placed RPG elements. Origins pulled off being an RPG relatively well but Dragon Age 2 immediately showed how much of a cashout it was pretty early on.Lizmichi said:
Enemies in waves and repetative hack and slashing completely contradicted the semi strategic combat from Origins.
No offense but its not just "Gamers" go talk to a yankees fan or Heat fan they well piss in your ear for hours on end how great thier team is and deny to the grave anything bad. Hell football hooligans well kill you for saying something bad about thier teams.GreatTeacherCAW said: