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Sabiancym

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Sober Thal said:
This thread looks like it should have been called 'Why PC gamers think you shouldn't buy a console.'

Cheers!
Or

"List of falsities console gamers think are true about PCs"


Literally half of the reasons given here for not gaming on a PC are false.
 

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JET1971 said:
this is not flaming.

consoles dont realy have ANYTHING that makes them better than PC. everything you can do on a console you can do with a PC. onsole fanboys claim.
Ummm... there's one pretty major thing you can do on consoles that you can't do on PCs that you seem to be overlooking (though it's been mentioned in this thread MANY times): play games that are exclusive to the console. There are quite a few of them (and sorry, they're not just for the "kids"). It's kind of hard to take your post as not flaming when you don't pay attention to the one aspect that is important to gaming, that being the games.
Ok, but PCs have more exclusives, plus if everyone united under one platform we wouldn't have to worry about buying multiple consoles or PCs. Every game in the world could run on PCs. Not every game made could work on consoles.

If every console gamer switched to PC, the price of hardware would go down, and the quality of games would go up due to not being handcuffed by the old hardware and strict policies of Microsoft and Sony.
 

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HG131 said:
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Some games are better on consoles. Also, CPU monitors will never be better than TVs. Consoles these days also have lots of built in things that are also better on TV (Netflix Instant Stream, for example). Some games are just better on consoles (like Third Person Shooters).
PC supports gamepad which automatically makes your 3rd person shooter point invalid and TV has color bleedout which can completely ruin the visuals.Seriously, TV better than a moniter?
Have you even seen the modern HD moniters?
Have you seen the size of modern TVs?
Size just highlights the shitty aliasing artifacts.
And if size really meant something then PS3 is automatically better than the Xbox 360 and my gigantic CPU is a god gift.
Also, huge moniters do exist.
Size doesn't always make things better, but what would you rather watch a movie on (using Netflix Instant Stream), a normal computer monitor (what most people have) or a large flat-screen (what most people have)? It seems to me like you guys have elevated your PC-Dalekness (because at least most elitists just look down on everyone else, not act like they should be EXTERMINATED) to hating on TVs. I can hardly look upon logic's mangled corpse.
Hurr durr PC elitist.
That is the best insult you can come up with?
Yeah I am a PC elitist/console fanboy hybrid.
And why the fuck would you buy a console to watch movies?
Have you lost points to make for an argument?
Also, laptop can be connected to a TV.
I'm not saying that's the only reason to buy it, I'm just saying that it's a reason. Also, that doesn't work with every laptop or TV.
Neither is every Television a high def one which would render your point moot too.
 

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Sabiancym said:
AverageJoe said:
I've always been a PC gamer but I'm becoming increasingly interested in consoles. For two and only two reasons:

1. More choice of games.
2. Ability to rent and trade-in games.

That's it. If only the PC had more games being released I would never even consider owning a console, I love PC gaming. I don't think theres a huge lack of games on the PC as much as other people say (I agree with you that most AAA games get a PC release, particularly ones on the Xbox 360) but there is undoubtably more to choose from on the consoles.

The ability to rent games means I can simply join a rental plan and play what I want when I want, with a fixed monthly price, which is much more appealing to me, and I can just buy games that I truly think are worth the price (hint: theres not many). Which is pretty much exactly what I do now with piracy, because piracy is my equivelent of a "rental option" on the PC.
More choice of games on console is flat out un-true. There are way more games on PC. And I'm not just talking about indie games.
You mean old games? I'm not interested in retro gaming, I think newer games are better. Free games? Rarely good. If you dont mean old games, indie games (which are mostly not very good either) or free games, perhaps you could elaborate?

Now that I think about it, the PC does get a lot of shovelware (even more than the Wii) but who cares about that?

The PC gets a lot of good games, but they are mostly ports from consoles. Dont get me wrong, if I had a console I would still probably be buying the PC ports instead, because I prefer gaming on the PC, but theres no doubt the consoles get more AAA releases than PCs do.
 

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Fetzenfisch said:
A mediocre trained monkey can change a graphics card. or even build a whole PC i learned it with 10yrs just by reading the manual. Motherboard here, harddrive in that slot, graphics in there, ram in there, put the cables together , Profit.
Great. Now add up the cost.
 

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I'm actually in agreement on a lot of those points. I wasn't saying every gamer should turn to PC gaming. In fact, there are a number of people I know that really should stick to console gaming as they have absolutely zero computer savvy. (and by that I mean they're the type that will be confused why their PC won't turn on, only later to find they forget to plug the thing in)

ExiusXavarus said:
"Convenience" is the point I was trying to make. How many people actually want to go and search for each upgrade your rig can get and go buy each upgrade and actually install them to said rig. I'm already aware that consoles aren't exactly cheap, and buying the next gen console is probably gonna rack up a nice amount of spent money. Buuut a PC upgrades a lot quicker than new consoles come out. But that's just what I've seen. And I agree with it coming down to preference. And a lot of people "prefer" what's easier to work with. Which just so happens to be a console.
Just like with pulse2, I actually agree with you to some extent. For some, especially those that know bugger all about computers, console gaming is the most ideal form of gaming for them. The point I was trying to make is, much of the "good" things about consoles (the same things that people say they choose consoles for) can be achieved on PCs with a little know how. I.E. Split screen, controllers, playing on your TV, etc, etc And, that much of the "bad" things about PC gaming are common misconceptions.
 

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the_green_dragon said:
Fetzenfisch said:
A mediocre trained monkey can change a graphics card. or even build a whole PC i learned it with 10yrs just by reading the manual. Motherboard here, harddrive in that slot, graphics in there, ram in there, put the cables together , Profit.
Great. Now add up the cost.
8800GT on Ebay - $60 http://cgi.ebay.com/EVGA-NVIDIA-GeForce-8800-GT-GDDR3-/320679416962?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item4aa9fb9482#ht_500wt_922
E6750 on Ebay - $70 http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-CORE-2-DUO-E6750-2-66GHz-4M-1333-SLA9V-/230570254882?pt=CPUs&hash=item35af0ee222#ht_1234wt_905
MSI G41M on Newegg $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130305
GSkill Rijaw 4GB RAM on newegg $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
LOGISYS 550W PSU on Newegg $25 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817170028
LITE-ON Black 18 DVD Drive $17 on Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106274
Microsoft Keyboard and Mouse on newegg $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.623199
WD 500gb HD on Newegg $26


Total $328....and you could find it cheaper. This rig would play everything at levels the PS3 and Xbox can, probably even better.

So there goes your point.
 

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Mostly the exclusive titles. I bought a PS2 to play Devil May Cry. That was the game I had in mind when I bought that console. Luckily, I picked the winner of that console generation, and there were lots of great games on the PS2.

I bought an N64 to play Mario 64 and Zelda: OoT. That decision didn't pan out quite so well.

My rule of thumb for consoles is that there must be at least 1 reasonably well-reviewed game that I am interested in playing which is exclusive to the device for every $50 I will spend on it. This is why I own a Wii, and why I'm considering buying a banned X360 (since, apparently, those can go for $50 + shipping + peripherals and adapters).
 

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AverageJoe said:
Sabiancym said:
AverageJoe said:
I've always been a PC gamer but I'm becoming increasingly interested in consoles. For two and only two reasons:

1. More choice of games.
2. Ability to rent and trade-in games.

That's it. If only the PC had more games being released I would never even consider owning a console, I love PC gaming. I don't think theres a huge lack of games on the PC as much as other people say (I agree with you that most AAA games get a PC release, particularly ones on the Xbox 360) but there is undoubtably more to choose from on the consoles.

The ability to rent games means I can simply join a rental plan and play what I want when I want, with a fixed monthly price, which is much more appealing to me, and I can just buy games that I truly think are worth the price (hint: theres not many). Which is pretty much exactly what I do now with piracy, because piracy is my equivelent of a "rental option" on the PC.
More choice of games on console is flat out un-true. There are way more games on PC. And I'm not just talking about indie games.
You mean old games? I'm not interested in retro gaming, I think newer games are better. Free games? Rarely good. If you dont mean old games, indie games (which are mostly not very good either) or free games, perhaps you could elaborate?

Now that I think about it, the PC does get a lot of shovelware (even more than the Wii) but who cares about that?

The PC gets a lot of good games, but they are mostly ports from consoles. Dont get me wrong, if I had a console I would still probably be buying the PC ports instead, because I prefer gaming on the PC, but theres no doubt the consoles get more AAA releases than PCs do.
MMOs, RTS, Flight sims, other sims, all the regular games that get released cross platform.

Count em up, the PC has way more. Hell, steam alone has more games than the entire Xbox and PS3 library.

And I'd be willing to bet that the PC gets as many if not more AAA releases.
 

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I never really cared about PC gaming until I was able to get an average gaming PC for about $375.00. I own a PS3 and an x-box 360 for the exclusive console games. If Heavy Rain, L.A. Noire, and Red Dead Redemption were on the PC I would have bought them for the PC instead.

A friend of mine is going to build a new gaming PC for me. The one I have now is basically out of date and won't be able to run games like Rage or TESV: Skyrim. I would build it myself but I am afraid I would somehow break it as I was building it.
 

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I happen to know Stukov irl, and can thus answer for a few of the questions.

Azaraxzealot said:
i'd like to call you out on the "cheaper games" thing.

if you don't buy from retail, you pay with your credit card, right? credit cards have interest rates, so that 49.99 you spent on the shiny new 59.99 game? it really translates to something like 70 dollars with interest, plus, with console games, you get the "pre-owned" market, which you can get games there for downwards of 20 bucks.
Who said anything about credit cards? You can use regular bankcards to buy games online, with no interest rate, meaning 49,99 actually did cost just 49,99.

Also. no DRM to stop you from enjoying pre-owned or borrowed products.
I believe I read recently about some game companies locking certain features to the account on PSN, so that if you buy used, you won't be getting the "full experience".

No installation required (as long as you're not on PS3)
"as long as you're not on PS3.. you're gonna rule out a third of the console market? Besides, I own a 360, and the thing sounds like a jet engine if I don't install the games.

Multiplayer for most new games is better (since people make games for consoles first these days)
I'm allright with getting a buggier time just after release, if it means I can get dedicated servers with higher max players and admins getting rid of the foulmouthed 12-year olds.

Couch multiplayer (ah... the Goldeneye days...)
My chair is more comfortable than my couch. What's your point?

unless you buy a 3000 dollar one from alienware or something otherwise, you have to make it yourself. and honestly?
Seriously? 3000 dollars? What are you buying, a mac? For 3000 dollars, you get pretty much the most extreme overkill machine that is available right now, which is just stupid to get. You can get away with half that money, and still get a computer that will last several years, and that's even when I converted from Swedish Kronor, which stands very high compared to the US Dollar at the moment. If I had been looking at a US Store, it would probably be even cheaper than 1500.
 

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I just like being to not worry about specs, but being a pc gamer on the side with a mediocre pc (Left for dead is about as much as my pc can handle, but runs fine)i much prefer the input of a keyboard and mouse in shooters.
 

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Sabiancym said:
the_green_dragon said:
Fetzenfisch said:
A mediocre trained monkey can change a graphics card. or even build a whole PC i learned it with 10yrs just by reading the manual. Motherboard here, harddrive in that slot, graphics in there, ram in there, put the cables together , Profit.
Great. Now add up the cost.
8800GT on Ebay - $60 http://cgi.ebay.com/EVGA-NVIDIA-GeForce-8800-GT-GDDR3-/320679416962?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item4aa9fb9482#ht_500wt_922
E6750 on Ebay - $70 http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-CORE-2-DUO-E6750-2-66GHz-4M-1333-SLA9V-/230570254882?pt=CPUs&hash=item35af0ee222#ht_1234wt_905
MSI G41M on Newegg $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130305
GSkill Rijaw 4GB RAM on newegg $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
LOGISYS 550W PSU on Newegg $25 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817170028
LITE-ON Black 18 DVD Drive $17 on Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106274
Microsoft Keyboard and Mouse on newegg $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.623199
WD 500gb HD on Newegg $26


Total $328....and you could find it cheaper. This rig would play everything at levels the PS3 and Xbox can, probably even better.

So there goes your point.
Wheres the LCD monitor?
I assume thats american dollars, how much is an xbox on ebay in America these days?
What about people who don't have credit cards to buy stuff off ebay or online?
EDIT: U forgot postage on those items
 

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Sabiancym said:
MMOs, RTS, Flight sims, other sims, all the regular games that get released cross platform.

Count em up, the PC has way more. Hell, steam alone has more games than the entire Xbox and PS3 library.

And I'd be willing to bet that the PC gets as many if not more AAA releases.
and I would be willing to bet that it doesn't... I don't think this debate is going anywhere. Steam has a shitload of old games that have been rereleased on Steam, as well as the indie games that aren't AAA releases. If you're taking into account the entire history of PC gaming then of course it has more AAA games, but if we are judging by each generation, the consoles get a lot more.

Also this is irrelevant to this particular discussion (but definitely relevant to my original post) I hate MMOs, I'm not interested in flight sims, and I rarely like RTS games. So I'm mostly playing FPS games, the occasional TPS, and some cool indie games. Being mostly an instant-gratification type of gamer I'm fairly happy with this but I know I could broaden my horizons immensely if I got a console.
 

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AverageJoe said:
Sabiancym said:
MMOs, RTS, Flight sims, other sims, all the regular games that get released cross platform.

Count em up, the PC has way more. Hell, steam alone has more games than the entire Xbox and PS3 library.

And I'd be willing to bet that the PC gets as many if not more AAA releases.
and I would be willing to bet that it doesn't... I don't think this debate is going anywhere. Steam has a shitload of old games that have been rereleased on Steam, as well as the indie games that aren't AAA releases. If you're taking into account the entire history of PC gaming then of course it has more AAA games, but if we are judging by each generation, the consoles get a lot more.

Also this is irrelevant to this particular discussion (but definitely relevant to my original post) I hate MMOs, I'm not interested in flight sims, and I rarely like RTS games. So I'm mostly playing FPS games, the occasional TPS, and some cool indie games. Being mostly an instant-gratification type of gamer I'm fairly happy with this but I know I could broaden my horizons immensely if I got a console.
You see, PC doesn't suffer from this generation disease that plagues the consoles. That means PC has heckload more games than Xbox 360 or PS3 and will always have more games because of the backward compatibility.
And yes, AAA games are lacking on the PC but considering most AAA games that are console exclusive are shooters which I do not like, PC is the place where I live.
 

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the_green_dragon said:
Sabiancym said:
the_green_dragon said:
Fetzenfisch said:
A mediocre trained monkey can change a graphics card. or even build a whole PC i learned it with 10yrs just by reading the manual. Motherboard here, harddrive in that slot, graphics in there, ram in there, put the cables together , Profit.
Great. Now add up the cost.
8800GT on Ebay - $60 http://cgi.ebay.com/EVGA-NVIDIA-GeForce-8800-GT-GDDR3-/320679416962?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item4aa9fb9482#ht_500wt_922
E6750 on Ebay - $70 http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-CORE-2-DUO-E6750-2-66GHz-4M-1333-SLA9V-/230570254882?pt=CPUs&hash=item35af0ee222#ht_1234wt_905
MSI G41M on Newegg $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130305
GSkill Rijaw 4GB RAM on newegg $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
LOGISYS 550W PSU on Newegg $25 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817170028
LITE-ON Black 18 DVD Drive $17 on Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106274
Microsoft Keyboard and Mouse on newegg $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.623199
WD 500gb HD on Newegg $26


Total $328....and you could find it cheaper. This rig would play everything at levels the PS3 and Xbox can, probably even better.

So there goes your point.
Wheres the LCD monitor?
I assume thats american dollars, how much is an xbox on ebay in America these days?
What about people who don't have credit cards to buy stuff off ebay or online?
EDIT: U forgot postage on those items
Where do console gamers count their $2000 52" TV's? And who pays postage on anything you buy online?
 

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Because it's a bit hard to have your mates around your house playing head to head multiplayer and/or co-op on a computer.
 

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Azaraxzealot said:
Admiral Stukov said:
I see no reason to use a console at all. Never had one never will.
I'm a tech guy, I like tinkering with stuff. And I like modding.

The PC has superior graphics, cheaper games, modding capability, I don't have to replace the whole thing as it age, etc...
i'd like to call you out on the "cheaper games" thing.

if you don't buy from retail, you pay with your credit card, right? credit cards have interest rates, so that 49.99 you spent on the shiny new 59.99 game? it really translates to something like 70 dollars with interest, plus, with console games, you get the "pre-owned" market, which you can get games there for downwards of 20 bucks.

Also. no DRM to stop you from enjoying pre-owned or borrowed products.

No installation required (as long as you're not on PS3)

Multiplayer for most new games is better (since people make games for consoles first these days)

Couch multiplayer (ah... the Goldeneye days...)

of course with PC you get modding, all the features you "need" (like internet browsing, doing homework/work), and with emulators you can get almost any game you want.

but then again, most computers (from the get-go) are only made for work and business and not for pleasure (unless you buy a 3000 dollar one from alienware or something) otherwise, you have to make it yourself. and honestly? it's easier to skip the technobabble and learning to just buy a console and some games for it.
I'd like to call you out on you're calling out the "cheaper games" thing.

I have, in my hand, what is called a debit card. No interest is costed me with a debit card and all I have to worry about is using it responsibly so as to not overdraw my bank account. So that $49.99 game I just bought off Steam? $49.99 because Steam doesn't charge me tax. That $59.99 game I just bought from Gamestop? $64.48 because of taxes. I just saved fourteen-and-a-half bucks on my game.

I will hand it to you on the pre-owned market, though. Except... no I won't. Unless it is an older release, anywhere you can get a pre-owned copy probably still has it pretty highly marked up. You'd be saving five bucks on a new release which is basically still in the range of 59 bucks from taxes. Older games, though? So, let's say I want to buy Assassin's Creed 2. Steam: 29.99. No taxes. Walmart? 27.99 for a PS3. 30.09 with taxes. Pre-owned? $19.34 with taxes included. However, from Steam, you're getting a better edition, too. You're getting the deluxe edition. Is that worth the extra ten bucks? I don't know. This is AC2 we're talking about here, though. It's nearing two years old. I'll give you a point for that.

Steam DRM is very little and if you have a PC good enough for gaming, it's nothing to worry about.

Multiplayer for PC games is typically better. A more tight-knit community that doesn't scream obscenities at each other and at times actually feels like friends. Unless you're playing CoD or something else by Activision, your multiplayer will be better on the PC.

Something that almost makes me want to slap you, though, is you talking about Alienware! Ha ha ha! If you're buying from Alienware, you know nothing of Gaming PCs! Truly, if you buy from Alienware, you deserve to have them rip you off. Let me tell you of a site that's well-known across the internet. It's called Newegg. You can get computers from them for little up-pricing because they have a special relationship with manufacturers and getting a good gaming PC costs about $500-600 or even cheaper if Newegg is having a special deal. Sure, you'll have to upgrade in a few years time, which you can do through Newegg, too, and get another special deal most likely. So, you can get a decent gaming rig that's more powerful than a PS3 for what the PS3's entry price was. Another thing that's great about Newegg? No taxes! Sometimes, you'll pay for shipping, but it's typically less than what the taxes would cost you.

From Newegg, I learned of a manufacturer called iBUYPOWER. Great, great service. I highly recommend them. I got a gaming PC from them that can run, say, Crysis on its highest settings at a decent framerate. The PC cost me $800. I got a brand new monitor, too, though. However, for that $800, I got a computer that will last me about six years without the need for upgrading the graphics or the mobo, unless of course something earth-shattering comes out, which I doubt because developers wouldn't want to get into something like 3D gaming quite yet on the PC or consoles. Metro 2033? I can run it. My computer handles is quite fine. Crysis? No crisis at all, my computer says! Not only this, but my PC isn't just a PC. It's a NES, SNES, and an N64. It can be a Gamecube. It can be a DS. It can be a Sega Genesis. It can be a Playstation. It can be a PSP.

Clearly, if people gave it more thought, they'd realize they'd be getting more for their money with a PC. I'm not the most technically-savvy person in the world, yet it's not hard at all. You learn the ropes quite easily. Spend a few hours online doing research and you'll know a lot about what is this and what is that and how this compares to that and if this deal really is a great deal. And upgrading? It's pathetically easy unless you're a nimwit. It's like a jigsaw puzzle. It's like one of those games that you played as a kid where you put the triangle shape in the triangle hole. Then, once you get the new card in, you put the driver disc in and install it in the PC. It's as simple as that! If you're having trouble, there's a manual!

For $800, I got:

AMD Phenom II quad-core 965 Black-edition that has a 3.4 GHz per core.
RAM: 4 GB
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-770T-USB3 -- AMD 770 Sata 3.0
Power Supply: 700 watts
Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 - 1GB - EVGA Superclocked - Single Card (Special note: Relatively cheap, GDDR5, factory overclocked. It'll run -all- games out there and it doesn't cost a lot.)
Hard drive: 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 64M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Mouse: CoolerMaster Inferno Gaming Mouse -- 4000 DPI Storm Tactical Laser Sensor - 128 kb - 115 inches per second - 11 buttons - 9 programmable buttons - Polling 1000 Hz - Response time: 1 ms
Operating System included: Windows 7 64-bit

For $100 more, I got:

Monitor: 22" LCD 1680x1050 -- Sceptre X220T-Naga

Yeah.

For $400 and a little know-how, you can build your own PC that will -still- outperform the PS3 and the 360. It really isn't all that hard. You might need some help, but there's technical support places you can call for that.
 

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Well, for me my old single-core desktop pc with 2 gigs of ram and a gpu that cost 350$ at the time is now irrelevant and impossible to upgrade, you basically have to chuck the thing in the garbage and buy a completely new computer. Also, since then, pretty much every game I am interested in has gotten a console release (and often one that is better than the PC version) and the only PC games I am interested in are SC2 and WoW, and my laptop can run those just fine. So what need is there to buy a brand new gaming PC exactly? Can't think of any. I can do everything I need on my cheap ass laptop, and with a PS3 I can actually play Rockstar games and a ton of exclusives. I would buy a PC if I was seriously missing out on games, but I don't feel that.