Forlong said:
That is ridiculous. Are you seriously trying to say that's the same as locking a consumer out of a game he/she already paid for? Are you saying that's the same as banning a user from playing his/her games? Console exclusives are NOWHERE NEAR as bad as the bullshit DRM going on.
No. What I am saying is that having a monopoly on game IPs is a form of DRM. Cus, ya know, there can be different levels of DRM...
Also, if you have a problem with the Playstation not being able to play Nintendo games, that's on Sony. Sony would have to make their console able to read the coding on the Nintendo discs. Sony has not done so...and you blame Nintendo...yeah, that makes sense...
Incorrect. Nintendo would have to code the game for the PS(X) and Xbox on top of tweaking the code to run on those particular OS.
Oh, and the Playstation came out before Nintendo switched to discs, so it wasn't even compatible with Nintendo's format.
So emulators and digital distribution are being conveniently forgotten about?
Dragonbums said:
I never said you called the Wii and WiiU a "kiddy console" but there sure as heck are a lot of people who use that as a legitimate reason to not touch a Nintendo hardware product with a 10 foot pole.
So then don't say that in a reply to me. It is not one of my points so you have no reason to bring it up in a reply to me.
If people want to play their games, they have to buy a Nintendo console. You want to talk about economics? Alright, let's go.
If Pokemon X and Y sells 10 million copies when it releases- of those 10 million copies 7 million of them were from people who bought a 3DS specifically for the game, they are making MUCH more money selling both hardware and Software then if they just sold software. $35.00 multiplied by 10 million copies is a lot of fucking money. $235.00 multiplied by 7 million? Shit, your sitting on a tower of gold, and that is just for A SINGLE NINTENDO IP. That's not even their first juggernaut of an IP. Animal Crossing is coming out today. The sheer AMOUNT of people who are going to buy a 3DS for that game alone is going to be crazy. Not only for the game sales itself, but for the 3DS sales people are willing to buy just to get their hands on the game. They would never make that kind of money going third party. Don't even kid yourself. This is just their handhelds ALONE. Once these two bad boys are out of the gate, the 3DS already has, and will now certainly be far from struggling to make ends meet.
Now let's get with the WiiU. The WiiU is doing better historically then a lot of consoles that come right out of the gate. Let's clear something up right now. It will take a miracle for any console to reach Wii level of sales ever. That was huge. I don't even think Nintendo thought they would wipe the floor with this generation. A decent Mario and Zelda game can clear through 12 million copies easy. EASY! The amount of people that have stated that once a good Zelda game comes out for the WiiU they will buy the console just for the game is huge. So let's say 20 million people bought the WiiU just for the newest installment of the Legend of Zelda. That's $300.00 multiplied by 20 million on top of that you have $60.00 multiplied by 20 million.
Source please. I like to fact check number before I reply to them. Unless of course you are just pulling numbers out of thin air to support your case because you said "if".
Those are big numbers something that if they were just software alone they could never make.
That is a pipe wet dream for gamers who are seem to be content with having a choice between two companies that revel in the DRM orgy fest, and can't stand that Nintendo is doing their own little thing, making their own games for their own products.
You don't know they can't. Just as I don't know they can. However, this is irrelevant because I never advocated Nintendo going to software only... I'm just fine with Nintendo doing it's own thing, but I said if they want my money they will have to cross platform.
People go into economics blah blah blah, yeah right. That's a shoddy excuse to cover up the fact that you just want Nintendo to FAIL so you can play their games on your terms.
I want Nintendo to fail? LOL WUT? How can I play Nintendo games if Nintendo is no more? I said I want Nintendo to expand their business model.
Using economics. You aren't business majors. You aren't economic analysts.
Are you telepathic? Do you know me? I may not be an analyst, but last I checked I did have all the classes required for a Bachelors of Business Administration degree... That would include; Business Law 1, Business Statistics, Micro Economics, Macro Economics, Accounting, ect, ect, ect.
Don't you feel like a fool now?
What do you know about Nintendos finances? What do you know about Sony and Microsofts finances? Nothing.
Only the publicly available financial records required by Federal Law. To be fair, those record are not very detailed because they are not for investors or internal management.
Nintendo has been around for over 100 years. A company doesn't live that long if they were stupid with their money.
Technically you are right. However Nintendo did not start making video games until 1973. Before that they tried a variety of thing and were on financial hardship for most of them.
Sorry that Sony and Microsoft don't make their own in house games and rely on buying out studios and developers to make their own first party titles. You don't want Nintendo products? You don't get Nintendo games. Simple as that. Sony and Microsoft would do the same thing if they could.
You are really confusing. MS and Sony DO have exclusives, but that does not make it any less of a dick move. Why are you attacking this with the fervor as if I kicked a baby holding a puppy right in front of you?
And you know what else? For all the whining from third party developers from them, they should be grateful that Nintendo stays on Nintendo platforms. They should be encouraging it. Nintendo has so many AAA titles that if they were to go third party (and not just shut the whole thing down and do something else like Iwata said) they would completely cannibalize the third party industry. Who can compete with them? Let's get real here. Who, aside from Bethesda, Valve, and EA could legitimately compete against Nintendo? Most third party developers have one big hitter, and the rest are "eh" When Skyrim came out many devs made sure their game DIDN'T release when Skyrim did, but Bethesda has a few big sellers. Nintendo has a whole cast of them, and they can basically choke third party release until they either fail or take Nintendos' offer to work with them.(Why do you think Sega is still kicking despite all their crap games?)
Cannibalize...? You should look up that word sometime. But to counter your argument if Bethesida, Valve, and EA are companies that could survive Nintendoe's "cannibalism" (snicker snicker) of the market then how do other companies survive with them in the mix?
I'm sorry, but this thread just reeks of entitlement and selfishness all in one.
I don't demand Microsoft go under so I can play their IPs on the Wii. I don't demand Sony fails so I can play their games on the Wii. However it's fine to demand Nintendo to go third party for other peoples' benefit?
Really? The one game company that still gives gamers something new to play, no DRM Online passes bullshit, and you want THIS company to go third party?
Sometimes I think we deserve to get served garbage like the Xbox One. Because quite frankly we really don't know we are losing until it's gone.
We are entitled and selfish? Your points come off as, well frankly, pretentious fanboyism. You argue as if we want Nintendo to be swept from the Earth. You use straw men and other logical fallacies in your replies, but they don't even address the points "we" bring up. How can we come to an understanding when all you want to do is defend Nintendo's sanctity until your dying breath?
Browning 30 said:
I laugh at all this talk about consumer "selfishness" and "entitlement".
Isn't that what drives commerce in the first place? If people made purchases solely out of necessity and the "greater good", people wouldn't be spending their money on frivolous luxury items like gaming consoles in the first place. It's this entitlement and selfishness that keeps the gaming industry afloat, because people feel entitled to having entertainment for themselves.
To preach this holier-than-thou concept that these feelings are wrong and will destroy the industry is not only wrong but hypocritical as you have essentially bought into the same mantra. You're not on some kind of virtual crusade for gaming good, you're posting pretentious nonsense over the internet.
People will want what they want in the luxury world of video games, to claim these people are wrong for wanting what they want is beyond sanctimonious.
Well said my good sir. Well said.
