Why do people hate griefers?

[Twilight_guy]

Griefers by definition get there kicks out of making my life worse. I despise such scum-sucking filth that is so far gone that causing pain for their own pleasure is okay to them. Griefing is only fun to the grefier and is pain to everyone else. Why should such a thing be allowed?

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

People hate griefers because griefers are people who partake in a game simply to ruin the experiene for others. That is the very essence of griefing. If you aren't making other people in the game unhappy you aren't griefing.

 

[SomethingUnrelated]

Because griefers are pricks that feed of the grief of others. It's not really funny for anyone on the recieving end. Why ruin a game for other people, just because it's the best you can think to do?

 

[Inco]

People hate Griefers because they cause grief, i thought it would be obvious.

Its more of a pain in the ass than anything because as i just pointed out, the objective of a griefer is to get a feeling of satisfaction from the negative reactions of the person that the actions of the griefer directly affect.

So if you get Team killed, and then laugh and join in on it, it is NOT griefing because you are not suffering any sort of negative reaction.

If i act like a dick online, its normally just to my friends who know that we are doing that kinda crap and so it is not griefing.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

ARG YE BE HATIN MA PIRATE MATES, in all seriousness it can be fun if no one else is playing seriously.

If everybody in the game is playing on the same basis - where it is understood that you are playing to a specific end (in this case, either cheat, exploit glitches and bugs or just use tactics that annoy the hell out of everybody), then you are no longer griefing.

This is the thing that I find so fascinating about this thread. If the other people are enjoying your presence in a game, or at least taking no notice of it, then you are not griefing them. In order to grief, you must be a detriment to the experience for others. I'm not sure how this is slipping by people when it's implied in the word itself.

The short version, griefers should be kicked and banned at every opportunity because these people erode the enjoyment wherever they go. I don't want to hear about the people who only grief "when they're bored" or what have you and how they shouldn't be lumped in with the people who do it all the time. I'll consider that a valid defense the first time I hear about someone getting away with a robbery because they only commit crimes on occasion and the rest of the time they're upstanding citizens.

 

[happysock]

I think it's funny, these kids dicked me around so I joined their clan match and killed them all before I got booted lol

 

[Slick Samurai]

They're called "Griefers" for a reason, they get it off on making other people's lives miserable. But mostly, it's just for attention, which is why you ALWAYS ignore trolls and griefers.

 

[oppp7]

Griefers are people who mess around in games and don't do what the main objective is.

In that case I can fully understand why people hate them. That would be like playing a long game of chess then at some random point your opponant starts chucking pieces around the room and making up the rules. That wouldn't be very fun.

I think fun would have been abandoned when you started playing chess. But ya, screwing up something someone worked hard on would be a stupid thing that griefers could do. I'm talking about creative, funny things like Team Roomba's videos.

 

[oppp7]

Because they're no-where near as fun as happyers

What are happyers? People who only heal team mates?

 

[ntw3001]

Well, the entire point of griefing is to make the game less fun for others. People hate them because they're making the game less fun for them. If people don't hate griefers, they're not griefing very well. If I stood in the path of a busy stranger, arms spread wide, and made sure he couldn't get past, it wouldn't matter that what he was doing wasn't important; he'd still be justified in getting angry. Even if I offered the cast-iron excuse 'It's okay, I'm only inconveniencing you because it's funny to me'.

See? I can understand that. People can get angry and flame back at the trolls/griefers. But I'm talking about the people who take it too far and let the griefer get under their skin so much they do extreme things, such as hitting them if they're nearby (as someone above said) or hacking their account to destroy it.

My analogy falls down a little there. In the dude-in-the-street situation I wouldn't begrudge the fellow striking me down after a short while. I don't think he'd be fully justified, but I'd consider it fair enough. In a game, there's really no excuse. If someone is annoying you by griefing, leave the server rather than getting furious. If someone is inconveniencing you in a game, the option always exists to just not be inconvenienced. Sure, it would bug me to be driven from a server by a griefer, but there's no reason to stay if I'm not having fun. Whether I stay and don't enjoy it or leave the server, the griefer gets what he wants, so there's no reason to try and be bloody-minded about it.

It sounds like what you're describing isn't really what I'm thinking of, though. What you seem to enjoy is when other people are also having a laugh. If everyone's enjoying it or finding it funny, I wouldn't call it griefing. It would better be described as unconventional play, which I guess is what I meant with what I said in my earlier post about Mario Kart.

 

[WhiteFangofWhoa]

Because they smell.

Actually, most of the primary arguments I would think of against griefers have already been outlined in detail- they ruin the fun for everyone for their sole enjoyment, and are near-impossible to reason with (that TeamRoomba quiz? The average griefer would never, EVER let the door open even if they got all the 'questions' right). If you're trying to play the game in a different, less-accepted way, experiment with bots, NOT with other people who are just trying to enjoy themselves playing the game normally. Of course, this won't happen often. For many griefers it's NOT actually the fun of playing in a different way- it's the thrill of watching/hearing other people get pissed off at them and ragequit. They get off on our tears. Hence the name.

Here's a good idea; try griefing in RL. Next time you get on a bus block the door for other people so it can't close. Cause a traffic jam by stopping in an intersection. 'I'm just bored with life and I'm trying to live it in a different way!' FUN!

 

[oppp7]

My analogy falls down a little there. In the dude-in-the-street situation I wouldn't begrudge the fellow striking me down after a short while. I don't think he'd be fully justified, but I'd consider it fair enough. In a game, there's really no excuse. If someone is annoying you by griefing, leave the server rather than getting furious. If someone is inconveniencing you in a game, the option always exists to just not be inconvenienced. Sure, it would bug me to be driven from a server by a griefer, but there's no reason to stay if I'm not having fun. Whether I stay and don't enjoy it or leave the server, the griefer gets what he wants, so there's no reason to try and be bloody-minded about it.

It sounds like what you're describing isn't really what I'm thinking of, though. What you seem to enjoy is when other people are also having a laugh. If everyone's enjoying it or finding it funny, I wouldn't call it griefing. It would better be described as unconventional play, which I guess is what I meant with what I said in my earlier post about Mario Kart.

I think one of the problems with this thread is that I included all griefers together. There are different levels of griefing, such as team killing/trolling, screwing around and not doing anything, or hacking. Some of these are dangerous and shouldn't be done at all (hacking), some should be done sparingly and are unimaginative (team killing), and some are ok and can make the game fun if you're tired of the same thing where you use the same gun over and over again.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

Just prooving how powerful you are? How big is your ego to go running around smashing little people into tiny bitz

 

[gigastrike]

Because griefers are out to to have fun by messing up everyone elses fun. It's not the team-killing that they like. It's the fact that they're preventing other people from playing the way that they want to.

 

[Namulith]

You've answered your own question.

 

[Caliostro]

I can understand trolls. They're hate based. But griefing is funny sometimes.

Griefing is a form of trolling.

Your argument is incoherent.

/thread.

 

[Johnn Johnston]

For the same reason why it's annoying when someone kicks the ball out of play deliberately every time it goes near them while playing football. I just want to enjoy playing a game, and they're just dicking around and stopping people from being able to enjoy it.

 

[Bob the Average]

people hate griefers because griefers are there to ruin your good time.