Never said I'm a feminist, nor that I totally support all of their views and ideas. In fact because I'm trans and very feminine I get attacked all the time for being "stereotypical". Now then things like "killallmen" and "diecisscum" aren't about actual hostility, it's about venting and comical hyperbole. Are there people that think that all men, or/and cisgneder folk should be rounded up, put in concentration camps, and possibly systematically murdered? Yes, but then again there are rabid crazies in every ideology. When it comes to groups like trans folk and feminists, who actually have limited social power, along with the fact that most of whom are reasonable individuals... Well such memes are nothing more than expressions of frustration, because such groups aren't really trying eliminate others.
That's besides the fact that as trans person I get to see first hand the issues feminism has with internationality and how it damages the feminist cause.
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My point was I am not here to talk about the crazies, people just use them as a deflection.
Gengisgame said:
Feminists are effecting positive change, in fact feminist organizations are active all over the world, doing things like helping both boys and girls in developing nations with health campaigns. Like providing education and sanitary supplies. Source: We Hunted the Mammoth, because it has lots of external references that back the point up. [http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/12/15/sorry-mens-rights-activists-feminists-actually-do-care-about-girls-in-africa/]
The whole feminism has become hostile to men argument has never made any bloody sense, because the history of feminism is one of receiving hostility from men, backed up with false claims of exclusionary behavior. Now some feminist groups are hostile to men, but then some are hostile to trans folk, others to people of color, and so on. I'm not going to deny that feminism has a massive internationality issue, one that causes lots of internal feuding too; however, mainstream feminism isn't hostile to men, it's in fact very inclusive. Most of the time.
When we talk about feminism we almost exclusively mean what it does in the western world, feminism abroad is effectively it's own separate thing with little connection between the 2.
Except that isn't true, feminism would have not been able to exist as a movement without the support of men. Sorry but mainstream feminism is hostile to men, when a british MP who heavily identifies as feminist openly laughs at the idea of looking into mens issues and male sexuality is villified as inherently sexist with a ton of double standards then there is a problem.
Except I didn't call "anti-feminists" evil, I even went so far as to clarify that it's a
loud minority of "anti-feminists" who are the ones causing issues. I also didn't hold feminism up as this infallible noble cause either. In fact I mentioned and called out the fact that just like with "anti-feminists", there is a loud minority of feminists who do the exact same thing. The way you've misrepresented me thus far is making a strawman of my statements.
That said I've never seen any rabid type of "anti-feminist", like Dean Esmay, Roosh V, or Paul Elam chased from their homes by a concentrated feminist campaign of doxxing, harassment, stalking, and threats of death and rape. Yet that very thing has happened to a staggering number of feminists, including very reasonable ones. So no calling out the minority of "anti-feminists" who do terrible illegal things to others is not a strawman.[/quote]
To quote you "The "anti-feminist" side is probably even worse" and on feminists "The "feminist" side a is group doesn't really understand feminist philosophy, but still uses it to voice their dissatisfaction. The tend not to do any harm"
and then you go on to give me a list specifically of anti-feminists who did bad things and don't do the same for feminist, you are horribly biased and pretended to be otherwise so don't say I misrepresented you..
Gengisgame said:
That is called hype, there are a lot of people who get excited about female leads in video games and movies, because it's fairly uncommon in comparison to male leads.
Now the female good/male bad mentality isn't a majority opinion amongst feminists, it's a fringe minority, mostly composed of people who are actively working against feminist philosophy from within. Most feminists have no problem with men, they have problems with society being geared to advantage men and disadvantage women.
So thus far this has been a series of misrepresenting my stance, which is fairly neutral, as a pro-feminist gush so it can easily be knocked down. That is the very definition of a strawman.
If the views where just held by posters on forums it would be fringe but I just pointed out that these views are expressed in various major news and gaming sites and yet you are saying that it's fringe among feminists, it's a simple fact that I as a straight white male where to make a game with a straight white male I would be criticized for doing so because they feel that I should have made my game for others, that's f*cked up and a commonly held view.
You are far from neutral but if you want to be I want you to try and see where I am coming from here on this last point, that's all that really matters, the rest is just fluff and issues that have little relevance to the OP.
