Why do people think it's ok to pirate games?

[Quiet Stranger]

I have been thinking about this for a while now and can't seem to come up with a good reason why someone would pirate a game. My line of thinking is since you didn't pay for it your stealing, and well stealing is wrong and a criminal action thus don't pirate game. But there has to be a reason so many people pirate games, maybe I just don't get it or haven't heard the right reason, "Because I can" "I don't have the money to spend on games/don't want to spend money on games" are the ones I hear most and they are not even that good of reasons to do it.
So I was wondering if anyone else had an incite or have heard a good argument for it?

OH HERRO AGAIN! And I'm just gonna say this once more (okay I will say it many more times) but there's no such thing as good and evil, everything is opinion, so there ya go

Yes there is stealing something that is not yours is evil, killing in cold blood is evil, saying that there is nothing that is evil is just an excuse to make it so you sleep better at night.

Lawl, my friend you make me smile, looks like the got to you too, too funny, just cause something says something doesn't make it so, like for example, Let's say someone says a flower smells nice (roses) and the next person says the roses smell awful, who's right or wrong? Neither, it's all based on opinion, to person A he is right and the flowers smell nice, to person B he is right and that the flowers smell bad, it's the exact same thing with this, for another (more extreme example) lets look at 9/11, to you and all other people (mainly those who aren't terrorists) thought it was awful and terrible, to the terrorists it was one of the best things to ever happen, but again who is right or wrong? Neither because it's all based on opinion also a reason you only believe things are evil is because you've been told they're evil for so long you probably wouldn't believe otherwise.

I also sleep so well at night because I don't think much at all (when I go to bed) my bed is also very cozy and I'm usually VERY tired so when I go to bed I usually hit the pillow pretty hard

Well considering I rate the 9/11 terrorist as evil as Stalin and Hitler your not making a good point and your making me think your morally bankrupt, there is a set of things that are right and wrong, stealing is wrong, killing is wrong, rape is wrong. You sir should have known this by know.

I have no morals because there are no need for them, I mean sure I wouldn't go around killing people but when I view something, either be it "good" or "bad" I think of it as something that just happen also you poor foolish person I feel so sorry for you, a man once said "If you are lied to enough you can believe heaven is hell and hell is heaven" he got that right except it's not lying, it's just telling someone over and over again

If you want to bring up Plato's The Cave then I get to say there are truth's in this worth, I don't believe in heaven or hell, so that's not a factor in my reasoning. And lets say someone is violently raped you wouldn't say that's a bad thing?

Nope, just something that happens, "1 death is a tragedy (no it isn't, I'm just quoting here) a million deaths is a statistic" though I'd probably go aaaawwww, cause you know, it probably hurt or something

You are a very cold, scary person

Also who brought up Plato's Cave? I know I didn't, and I mean I would still be sad if my parents died (although after I'd say it was just something that happened and nothing will change that) in a deep part of me I'm still human

 

[Cody211282]

Err, no it's not that simple. While yes, things like theft and murder are generally accepted and thought of as bad, it's because it inconviences/causes harm to people, and so we are brought up to see these things as wrong.

They are not good or evil in themselves, they are an action that someone has taken. Peoples opinions of the action though, that is what makes something good or bad, and the reasons behind those actions.

I know, I'm bringing up Hitler, but w/e. Killing Hitler before he came into power, that'd be an undeniably good thing to do, right? Imagine the untold millions of lives that would be saved.
Hang on, what about Hitler himself? He sure as shit wouldn't see this as a good thing to do. Neither would Germans of the time before the war, or alot of the world when looking at it morally. He had good policies and ideas when he came to power and was trying to drag Germany out of the shit it was in from after The Great War.

Stealing all the guns from the people that mean us harm is an undeniably good thing, right?
Again, think of the suffering that you'd stop.
From their perspective though it'd be bad, for whatever reason they would have to think that they are in the right, "they" have a reason for opposing the eponymous "us". It's a difference in society at some level, and what the societies hold dear, and it doesn't come down to what is "right", and never will. Such a thing doesn't exist. It comes down to whoever has the biggest stick, and is willing to use it.

I'll start with your killing Hitler argument, this is put in the area of good because you are saving lives by doing it, no he wouldn't like it but since he killed so many people your actions are justified to save the majority.

The problem is what he is saying isn't about saving lives it's about being to lazy to get another hobby or wait until the person has the money, they are doing it for self gratification and that's what makes it wrong.

So you accept that good and bad are human opinions on things, that's good.

I'm sorry, but did you just imply that laziness has something to do with what somebody enjoys? I don't see that myself, at least not in the context you're using. While I can understand a lazy person would not be inclined toward sport, to imply that someone is lazy because they enjoy something and won't change what they enjoy because of that laziness is bizarre.

Doing something else because of financial difficulties is a definite option though, but wouldn't guarantee the amount of enjoyment of your preferred past-time.

Ok, lets ditch the "too poor to buy" person, and look at your average pirate. Now, this person pirates the game because it's free, and has little to no risk involved. This pirate has limited funds, as we all (or most of us) do. The amount of games he pirates would never be equal to the amount games he'd buy if piracy didn't exist, no way. Your normal person will only buy games that they know, or strongly hope, they will enjoy. A pirate will pirate various games on very little basis, games which he'd never buy. It, again, comes down to a lose/lose for the developer, either way no one anyway gets any benefit from it, apart from the pirate.

Your issue it seems, is that the pirate gains, not that the developers lose out. This is a non starter for a point of view really. The central point of your argument is that this unknown pirate gains from doing something that you consider bad and won't do. Also in some cases, that they gain from something that they got for free something that you paid for. Can you not look at that dispassionatly and realise that that is selfish? It doesn't affect you, or anyone else, at all. You just want him not to have enjoyment because he did something you don't like.

I do believe that someone that has pirated a game, and has enjoyed the game, should buy it as soon as they can. I also believe that, outside of the demo argument that some here have given, someone who pirates a game that they would normally buy is doing wrong.

Pffft, this is getting a bit complex. It comes down to morals vs money really, the two don't go together so well. Money is a necessary evil, something that people need, giving value to things in a way that is understood by all. It's also a way to control people, again something that is needed but is bad and is constantly abused. Gahh, I'll stop on that issue.

"Your issue it seems, is that the pirate gains, not that the developers lose out."

YES that is exactly what I was going for, they are gaining from someone elses work by not doing anything, they don't deserve it because they didn't work for it, they got it by breaking the law and stealing.

Also with the money thing, my problem is i always pick morals/ethics over money and my moral code is very strict with what is good and what is bad and I don't break it. But then again I'm weird like that.

 

[StriderShinryu]

I have been thinking about this for a while now and can't seem to come up with a good reason why someone would pirate a game. My line of thinking is since you didn't pay for it your stealing, and well stealing is wrong and a criminal action thus don't pirate game. But there has to be a reason so many people pirate games, maybe I just don't get it or haven't heard the right reason, "Because I can" "I don't have the money to spend on games/don't want to spend money on games" are the ones I hear most and they are not even that good of reasons to do it.
So I was wondering if anyone else had an incite or have heard a good argument for it?

To start, I think you're quite right. Secondly, however, I feel that a lot of the.. argument you're hearing is simply because you keep referring to pirating as stealing. It's not so much a case of taking something and not paying for it. It's more a case of gaining something and not paying for it. It may well be true that pirates are not technically stealing an item but it is true, as you've been pointing out in different terms, that they are gaining an experience without compensating someone for it. That, quite frankly, is wrong.

 

[Cody211282]

I have been thinking about this for a while now and can't seem to come up with a good reason why someone would pirate a game. My line of thinking is since you didn't pay for it your stealing, and well stealing is wrong and a criminal action thus don't pirate game. But there has to be a reason so many people pirate games, maybe I just don't get it or haven't heard the right reason, "Because I can" "I don't have the money to spend on games/don't want to spend money on games" are the ones I hear most and they are not even that good of reasons to do it.
So I was wondering if anyone else had an incite or have heard a good argument for it?

To start, I think you're quite right. Secondly, however, I feel that a lot of the.. argument you're hearing is simply because you keep referring to pirating as stealing. It's not so much a case of taking something and not paying for it. It's more a case of gaining something and not paying for it. It may well be true that pirates are not technically stealing an item but it is true, as you've been pointing out in different terms, that they are gaining an experience without compensating someone for it. That, quite frankly, is wrong.

Thank you that is exactly what I was trying to say.

 

[MrJohnson]

Ohohoho boy. I love people like all of you. Where, except in one case that applies to you (such as how I bet every single FUCKING ONE OF YOU has pirated music at one point in your life), it's completely immoral and terrible.

 

[infinity_turtles]

I've found to perfect metaphor for piracy. A public library. I know what you're thinking, but hear me out.

A public library is a place containing someone else's intellectual property that can be accessed for free. The holder of the copyright earns nothing from you enjoying (or not enjoying) the product, but they don't lose anything in the process as well.

A torrent site that hosts pirated content is a place containing someone else's intellectual property that can be accessed for free. The holder of the copyright earns nothing from you enjoying (or not enjoying) the product, but they don't lose anything in the process as well.

If you want to convince me why piracy is wrong, you first need to convince me public libraries are wrong. The only differences are variety in content and convenience.

 

[Kiriona]

[greedy ass companies and artists] don't need to make millions of dollars a year so they can buy the moon, or enough cocaine to give them a heart attack

But it would be nice if they could pay their programmers more than starvation wages so said programmers could send their kids to college.

Are you kidding? There are two programmers in my family. They both make boatloads of money. Problem is, they're taxed to death by the state.
And even if they were paid only starvation wages, then the problem isn't pirating, the problem is the money going to the wrong places, which seems to be a recurring theme these days in business...

But regardless of how anyone feels on this, pirating isn't going to stop any time soon, no matter how many websites are shut down, or how many laws are passed, or how many people are arrested. As long as something is free and available, people are going to pee themselves trying to get it.

 

[Cody211282]

I have been thinking about this for a while now and can't seem to come up with a good reason why someone would pirate a game. My line of thinking is since you didn't pay for it your stealing, and well stealing is wrong and a criminal action thus don't pirate game. But there has to be a reason so many people pirate games, maybe I just don't get it or haven't heard the right reason, "Because I can" "I don't have the money to spend on games/don't want to spend money on games" are the ones I hear most and they are not even that good of reasons to do it.
So I was wondering if anyone else had an incite or have heard a good argument for it?

OH HERRO AGAIN! And I'm just gonna say this once more (okay I will say it many more times) but there's no such thing as good and evil, everything is opinion, so there ya go

Yes there is stealing something that is not yours is evil, killing in cold blood is evil, saying that there is nothing that is evil is just an excuse to make it so you sleep better at night.

Lawl, my friend you make me smile, looks like the got to you too, too funny, just cause something says something doesn't make it so, like for example, Let's say someone says a flower smells nice (roses) and the next person says the roses smell awful, who's right or wrong? Neither, it's all based on opinion, to person A he is right and the flowers smell nice, to person B he is right and that the flowers smell bad, it's the exact same thing with this, for another (more extreme example) lets look at 9/11, to you and all other people (mainly those who aren't terrorists) thought it was awful and terrible, to the terrorists it was one of the best things to ever happen, but again who is right or wrong? Neither because it's all based on opinion also a reason you only believe things are evil is because you've been told they're evil for so long you probably wouldn't believe otherwise.

I also sleep so well at night because I don't think much at all (when I go to bed) my bed is also very cozy and I'm usually VERY tired so when I go to bed I usually hit the pillow pretty hard

Well considering I rate the 9/11 terrorist as evil as Stalin and Hitler your not making a good point and your making me think your morally bankrupt, there is a set of things that are right and wrong, stealing is wrong, killing is wrong, rape is wrong. You sir should have known this by know.

I have no morals because there are no need for them, I mean sure I wouldn't go around killing people but when I view something, either be it "good" or "bad" I think of it as something that just happen also you poor foolish person I feel so sorry for you, a man once said "If you are lied to enough you can believe heaven is hell and hell is heaven" he got that right except it's not lying, it's just telling someone over and over again

If you want to bring up Plato's The Cave then I get to say there are truth's in this worth, I don't believe in heaven or hell, so that's not a factor in my reasoning. And lets say someone is violently raped you wouldn't say that's a bad thing?

Nope, just something that happens, "1 death is a tragedy (no it isn't, I'm just quoting here) a million deaths is a statistic" though I'd probably go aaaawwww, cause you know, it probably hurt or something

You are a very cold, scary person

Also who brought up Plato's Cave? I know I didn't, and I mean I would still be sad if my parents died (although after I'd say it was just something that happened and nothing will change that) in a deep part of me I'm still human

I did, I like it and it sorta fit into what I wanted to say

 

[Quiet Stranger]

I have been thinking about this for a while now and can't seem to come up with a good reason why someone would pirate a game. My line of thinking is since you didn't pay for it your stealing, and well stealing is wrong and a criminal action thus don't pirate game. But there has to be a reason so many people pirate games, maybe I just don't get it or haven't heard the right reason, "Because I can" "I don't have the money to spend on games/don't want to spend money on games" are the ones I hear most and they are not even that good of reasons to do it.
So I was wondering if anyone else had an incite or have heard a good argument for it?

OH HERRO AGAIN! And I'm just gonna say this once more (okay I will say it many more times) but there's no such thing as good and evil, everything is opinion, so there ya go

Yes there is stealing something that is not yours is evil, killing in cold blood is evil, saying that there is nothing that is evil is just an excuse to make it so you sleep better at night.

Lawl, my friend you make me smile, looks like the got to you too, too funny, just cause something says something doesn't make it so, like for example, Let's say someone says a flower smells nice (roses) and the next person says the roses smell awful, who's right or wrong? Neither, it's all based on opinion, to person A he is right and the flowers smell nice, to person B he is right and that the flowers smell bad, it's the exact same thing with this, for another (more extreme example) lets look at 9/11, to you and all other people (mainly those who aren't terrorists) thought it was awful and terrible, to the terrorists it was one of the best things to ever happen, but again who is right or wrong? Neither because it's all based on opinion also a reason you only believe things are evil is because you've been told they're evil for so long you probably wouldn't believe otherwise.

I also sleep so well at night because I don't think much at all (when I go to bed) my bed is also very cozy and I'm usually VERY tired so when I go to bed I usually hit the pillow pretty hard

Well considering I rate the 9/11 terrorist as evil as Stalin and Hitler your not making a good point and your making me think your morally bankrupt, there is a set of things that are right and wrong, stealing is wrong, killing is wrong, rape is wrong. You sir should have known this by know.

I have no morals because there are no need for them, I mean sure I wouldn't go around killing people but when I view something, either be it "good" or "bad" I think of it as something that just happen also you poor foolish person I feel so sorry for you, a man once said "If you are lied to enough you can believe heaven is hell and hell is heaven" he got that right except it's not lying, it's just telling someone over and over again

If you want to bring up Plato's The Cave then I get to say there are truth's in this worth, I don't believe in heaven or hell, so that's not a factor in my reasoning. And lets say someone is violently raped you wouldn't say that's a bad thing?

Nope, just something that happens, "1 death is a tragedy (no it isn't, I'm just quoting here) a million deaths is a statistic" though I'd probably go aaaawwww, cause you know, it probably hurt or something

You are a very cold, scary person

Also who brought up Plato's Cave? I know I didn't, and I mean I would still be sad if my parents died (although after I'd say it was just something that happened and nothing will change that) in a deep part of me I'm still human

I did, I like it and it sorta fit into what I wanted to say

When did you bring that up? also what's Plato's Cave? (im guessing a story)

 

[Cody211282]

So we've established the industry cheerleader is irrefutably a monster who would brutally murder a saint because he accidentally got 100 random people stuck in a hole... simply because the amount of people benefited by his actions is directly quantified for him in the hypothetical moral dilemma.

I don't think I'm a cheerleader, I just hate people who break the laws and steal.

And honestly I'm a trained EMT what I did was triage, it's not nice, it's not easy but it is what needs to be done.

 

[Cody211282]

I have been thinking about this for a while now and can't seem to come up with a good reason why someone would pirate a game. My line of thinking is since you didn't pay for it your stealing, and well stealing is wrong and a criminal action thus don't pirate game. But there has to be a reason so many people pirate games, maybe I just don't get it or haven't heard the right reason, "Because I can" "I don't have the money to spend on games/don't want to spend money on games" are the ones I hear most and they are not even that good of reasons to do it.
So I was wondering if anyone else had an incite or have heard a good argument for it?

OH HERRO AGAIN! And I'm just gonna say this once more (okay I will say it many more times) but there's no such thing as good and evil, everything is opinion, so there ya go

Yes there is stealing something that is not yours is evil, killing in cold blood is evil, saying that there is nothing that is evil is just an excuse to make it so you sleep better at night.

Lawl, my friend you make me smile, looks like the got to you too, too funny, just cause something says something doesn't make it so, like for example, Let's say someone says a flower smells nice (roses) and the next person says the roses smell awful, who's right or wrong? Neither, it's all based on opinion, to person A he is right and the flowers smell nice, to person B he is right and that the flowers smell bad, it's the exact same thing with this, for another (more extreme example) lets look at 9/11, to you and all other people (mainly those who aren't terrorists) thought it was awful and terrible, to the terrorists it was one of the best things to ever happen, but again who is right or wrong? Neither because it's all based on opinion also a reason you only believe things are evil is because you've been told they're evil for so long you probably wouldn't believe otherwise.

I also sleep so well at night because I don't think much at all (when I go to bed) my bed is also very cozy and I'm usually VERY tired so when I go to bed I usually hit the pillow pretty hard

Well considering I rate the 9/11 terrorist as evil as Stalin and Hitler your not making a good point and your making me think your morally bankrupt, there is a set of things that are right and wrong, stealing is wrong, killing is wrong, rape is wrong. You sir should have known this by know.

I have no morals because there are no need for them, I mean sure I wouldn't go around killing people but when I view something, either be it "good" or "bad" I think of it as something that just happen also you poor foolish person I feel so sorry for you, a man once said "If you are lied to enough you can believe heaven is hell and hell is heaven" he got that right except it's not lying, it's just telling someone over and over again

If you want to bring up Plato's The Cave then I get to say there are truth's in this worth, I don't believe in heaven or hell, so that's not a factor in my reasoning. And lets say someone is violently raped you wouldn't say that's a bad thing?

Nope, just something that happens, "1 death is a tragedy (no it isn't, I'm just quoting here) a million deaths is a statistic" though I'd probably go aaaawwww, cause you know, it probably hurt or something

You are a very cold, scary person

Also who brought up Plato's Cave? I know I didn't, and I mean I would still be sad if my parents died (although after I'd say it was just something that happened and nothing will change that) in a deep part of me I'm still human

I did, I like it and it sorta fit into what I wanted to say

When did you bring that up? also what's Plato's Cave? (im guessing a story)

I brought it up to say that there are absolute truths in the world and only perception stops us from seeing what they are.

To read it go here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

 

[Quiet Stranger]

I have been thinking about this for a while now and can't seem to come up with a good reason why someone would pirate a game. My line of thinking is since you didn't pay for it your stealing, and well stealing is wrong and a criminal action thus don't pirate game. But there has to be a reason so many people pirate games, maybe I just don't get it or haven't heard the right reason, "Because I can" "I don't have the money to spend on games/don't want to spend money on games" are the ones I hear most and they are not even that good of reasons to do it.
So I was wondering if anyone else had an incite or have heard a good argument for it?

OH HERRO AGAIN! And I'm just gonna say this once more (okay I will say it many more times) but there's no such thing as good and evil, everything is opinion, so there ya go

Yes there is stealing something that is not yours is evil, killing in cold blood is evil, saying that there is nothing that is evil is just an excuse to make it so you sleep better at night.

Lawl, my friend you make me smile, looks like the got to you too, too funny, just cause something says something doesn't make it so, like for example, Let's say someone says a flower smells nice (roses) and the next person says the roses smell awful, who's right or wrong? Neither, it's all based on opinion, to person A he is right and the flowers smell nice, to person B he is right and that the flowers smell bad, it's the exact same thing with this, for another (more extreme example) lets look at 9/11, to you and all other people (mainly those who aren't terrorists) thought it was awful and terrible, to the terrorists it was one of the best things to ever happen, but again who is right or wrong? Neither because it's all based on opinion also a reason you only believe things are evil is because you've been told they're evil for so long you probably wouldn't believe otherwise.

I also sleep so well at night because I don't think much at all (when I go to bed) my bed is also very cozy and I'm usually VERY tired so when I go to bed I usually hit the pillow pretty hard

Well considering I rate the 9/11 terrorist as evil as Stalin and Hitler your not making a good point and your making me think your morally bankrupt, there is a set of things that are right and wrong, stealing is wrong, killing is wrong, rape is wrong. You sir should have known this by know.

I have no morals because there are no need for them, I mean sure I wouldn't go around killing people but when I view something, either be it "good" or "bad" I think of it as something that just happen also you poor foolish person I feel so sorry for you, a man once said "If you are lied to enough you can believe heaven is hell and hell is heaven" he got that right except it's not lying, it's just telling someone over and over again

If you want to bring up Plato's The Cave then I get to say there are truth's in this worth, I don't believe in heaven or hell, so that's not a factor in my reasoning. And lets say someone is violently raped you wouldn't say that's a bad thing?

Nope, just something that happens, "1 death is a tragedy (no it isn't, I'm just quoting here) a million deaths is a statistic" though I'd probably go aaaawwww, cause you know, it probably hurt or something

You are a very cold, scary person

Also who brought up Plato's Cave? I know I didn't, and I mean I would still be sad if my parents died (although after I'd say it was just something that happened and nothing will change that) in a deep part of me I'm still human

I did, I like it and it sorta fit into what I wanted to say

When did you bring that up? also what's Plato's Cave? (im guessing a story)

I brought it up to say that there are absolute truths in the world and only perception stops us from seeing what they are.

To read it go here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

Seeing as how I am very busy right now, could you explain it to me in a condensed form? And are you really gonna let some old man said long ago decide things for you?

 

[SilentVirus]

Because it's cheap, easy to do, and nearly impossible to get caught. However, there is this long line of economic stress for the company that made the game and its distributors.

 

[Cody211282]

I have been thinking about this for a while now and can't seem to come up with a good reason why someone would pirate a game. My line of thinking is since you didn't pay for it your stealing, and well stealing is wrong and a criminal action thus don't pirate game. But there has to be a reason so many people pirate games, maybe I just don't get it or haven't heard the right reason, "Because I can" "I don't have the money to spend on games/don't want to spend money on games" are the ones I hear most and they are not even that good of reasons to do it.
So I was wondering if anyone else had an incite or have heard a good argument for it?

OH HERRO AGAIN! And I'm just gonna say this once more (okay I will say it many more times) but there's no such thing as good and evil, everything is opinion, so there ya go

Yes there is stealing something that is not yours is evil, killing in cold blood is evil, saying that there is nothing that is evil is just an excuse to make it so you sleep better at night.

Lawl, my friend you make me smile, looks like the got to you too, too funny, just cause something says something doesn't make it so, like for example, Let's say someone says a flower smells nice (roses) and the next person says the roses smell awful, who's right or wrong? Neither, it's all based on opinion, to person A he is right and the flowers smell nice, to person B he is right and that the flowers smell bad, it's the exact same thing with this, for another (more extreme example) lets look at 9/11, to you and all other people (mainly those who aren't terrorists) thought it was awful and terrible, to the terrorists it was one of the best things to ever happen, but again who is right or wrong? Neither because it's all based on opinion also a reason you only believe things are evil is because you've been told they're evil for so long you probably wouldn't believe otherwise.

I also sleep so well at night because I don't think much at all (when I go to bed) my bed is also very cozy and I'm usually VERY tired so when I go to bed I usually hit the pillow pretty hard

Well considering I rate the 9/11 terrorist as evil as Stalin and Hitler your not making a good point and your making me think your morally bankrupt, there is a set of things that are right and wrong, stealing is wrong, killing is wrong, rape is wrong. You sir should have known this by know.

I have no morals because there are no need for them, I mean sure I wouldn't go around killing people but when I view something, either be it "good" or "bad" I think of it as something that just happen also you poor foolish person I feel so sorry for you, a man once said "If you are lied to enough you can believe heaven is hell and hell is heaven" he got that right except it's not lying, it's just telling someone over and over again

If you want to bring up Plato's The Cave then I get to say there are truth's in this worth, I don't believe in heaven or hell, so that's not a factor in my reasoning. And lets say someone is violently raped you wouldn't say that's a bad thing?

Nope, just something that happens, "1 death is a tragedy (no it isn't, I'm just quoting here) a million deaths is a statistic" though I'd probably go aaaawwww, cause you know, it probably hurt or something

You are a very cold, scary person

Also who brought up Plato's Cave? I know I didn't, and I mean I would still be sad if my parents died (although after I'd say it was just something that happened and nothing will change that) in a deep part of me I'm still human

I did, I like it and it sorta fit into what I wanted to say

When did you bring that up? also what's Plato's Cave? (im guessing a story)

I brought it up to say that there are absolute truths in the world and only perception stops us from seeing what they are.

To read it go here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

Seeing as how I am very busy right now, could you explain it to me in a condensed form? And are you really gonna let some old man said long ago decide things for you?

The allegory still holds true, that is someone is only shown one thing even if it is wrong they with think it is the truth until forced to confront the truth.

Honestly you should read The Republic by Plato, and just because he is old and dead doesn't mean what he said still isn't relevant.

 

[Signa]

Copying is not stealing. Did you steal from your parents as you mimicked them to learn how to communicate? You learn by copying others. It's our primary way of gaining knowledge. It's easy to dismiss the concern of the legality of a fundamental function of life.

It's stealing if you go into a store and take a game off the shelf and leave with it, without paying. There is no doubt about that because the store suffered a loss without any form of compensation. There is no loss involved in copying.

However, businesses do require profits to continue to function. If people only copy and never contribute to the business, it will fail. It is for this reason and this reason only that it is important to buy a game rather than copy it. This sense of entitlement brought on by the copyright and patent systems is ruining the primary purpose of those very systems. They were created to reward creativity and innovation. They were not created to make people feel they are entitled to compensation for having an idea.

If you're the type to blindly follow something because it is the law then I have no interest in even having a discussion with you because you will never understand. Law does not equate to right or wrong.

I'm late to the party, but I love this post. Piracy for the sake of not paying for a game because you can is wrong. However, the price is usually far too high for most games if someone is casually interested in it. It would be like seeing an advertisement for a new candy, and then being offered a chance to eat that candy with or without a $.10 fee. Chances are you aren't curious enough to taste the candy for $.10, but a free sample might pique your interest to buy a box later. If not, no loss to the candy maker because you weren't really interested in eating their candy anyway.

(Yes, I know there are flaws in the analogy because the candy still had to be made to be eaten, but just STFU. The focus is on the product and the consumer's willingness to purchase that product. That is were the issue of piracy lies, and not costs to produce. That's the dev's fault for spending too much on a crappy game, not ours.)

 

[Cody211282]

One example being Spore

Gah I think I am the only person who paid money for that thing, and now I can't uninstall it because I don't want to eat up the limited installs.

 

[VinnyKings]

Why buy the cow when you can have someone secretly clone the cow and then give you the clone for free?

Greatest metaphor ever.

Basically this.

 

[Giest118]

Allow me to summarize the two sides of this debate.

On one hand, we have the pirates, whose position is basically, "Stealing is okay for me because I don't have money."

On the other side, we have a group of people whose opinion is literally, "The population of gamers in worldwide culture should be reduced to include only rich self-righteous fucks."

Both sides need to start sounding less stupid.