Why do people think it's ok to pirate games?

[infinity_turtles]

It implies capitalism is the natural state of human interaction and the exploitation of people for their money is right and good.

I love you. Have a turtle, I have plenty.

 

[TheGreatBearWrestler]

Lets say I bought a game on Steam, somebody hacks my account and I can no longer play my Steam games. Steam says there not responsible and do nothing. In this case your not really pirating so much as you are getting your stuff back.

GBW

 

[Cody211282]

I brought it up to say that there are absolute truths in the world and only perception stops us from seeing what they are.

To read it go here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

Trying to use allegory of the cave to say your morals are "the light" implies your perceptions are not clouded by people who's only interest lies in your money. It implies capitalism is the natural state of human interaction and the exploitation of people for their money is right and good.

You say people without means, who must choose between "not being completely fucking miserable" and "eating" should just be miserable. Because only people with money are entitled to happiness. They could fuck, but chances are they would just get some girl pregnant, and be forced into a situation where they are even more miserable, while bringing a child into the world who would only know poverty stricken misery.

You have allowed a corrupt, amoral system to define your morality. You have allowed yourself to be confused by the demands of the many.

1. No what I was trying to say is that there are absolute right and wrongs, he was saying that no matter what nothing is evil.

2. Not miserable but they shouldn't break the law, they should pick up something they can afford or at least game less often, I have been poor(hell I don't have a job now), I know how it is, no one in my family have broken the law because they wanted something, and I'm not about to ether.

3. I haven't let a "corrupt, amoral system" define my morality, I have defined my morality by looking at what is right and what is wrong(killing rape, stealing=wrong and helping others, obeying just laws=right)

 

[FretfulGnome]

^^ If you take a step back and look at some of the comments on this thread, it's kind of ridiculous. The answer to the great question of "Why do people pirate games?" is pretty fucking obvious. It's fun to see people turn it into some deep philosophical debate though XD.

 

[FretfulGnome]

nevermind, double post

 

[Cody211282]

If you're expecting a good reason for it, you're in for a long wait. Petty crimes are largely perpetrated on pathetic lack of rationale and casual ease. Doesn't help the situation much that a company attempting to take legal action on an individual will wind up costing them more than the product being stolen.

yep I have yet to see an argument that isn't just "because I want it".

 

[ethaninja]

Because pirated versions seem to work better then the version you pay for.

 

[Orcus The Ultimate]

just don't do it. what's the point. you just end up feeling dirty

i like feeling dirty mmmmm XD

 

[mexicola]

Op you argue over and over again and fail to aknowledge the simple facts most of the posters said already: yes pirating is wrong and illegal and no it's not stealing it's a different type of crime, and is treated as such by the law. People have said that over and over again (well I only read some 4 pages) so just take it, as simple as that.

 

[NIHILHATE]

3. vampire: the masquerade: bloodlines

Dude, where did you find that? Have you got a link, or something? I've been after it for ages!

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Why buy the cow when you can have someone secretly clone the cow and then give you the clone for free?

That is awesome, it is now the quote of the day for me.

It is funny and it speaks the truth.

 

[Ldude893]

1. Because the game is poorly reviewed and it's not worth paying for
2. It's from Electronic Arts
3. It's a very old game
4. You can't find it anywhere

 

[Cody211282]

^^ If you take a step back and look at some of the comments on this thread, it's kind of ridiculous. The answer to the great question of "Why do people pirate games?" is pretty fucking obvious. It's fun to see people turn it into some deep philosophical debate though XD.

It has been rather fun watching it turn into something new, also I'm a sucker for philosophical debate so that has not helped this thread stay on track

 

[lacktheknack]

Why do some psychos think it's okay to murder people?

 

[Mythbhavd]

My answer would be the same as for those who pirate music. They're thieves.

 

[capin Rob]

They don't think its okay, they take the risk knowing its bad

 

[LordZ]

It's still stealing because it was made developed and distributed by other people who have put a monetary value on it. The company who made the game suffers a loss of sales because of this so I see it as the same thing.

I could spend $1 million to build a sand castle. If someone copies me and builds a replica of my sand castle for $0, you think I should sue them for stealing my idea? Do you seriously believe this load of crap?

It's not an opinion about whether copying is stealing or not. It's pure and simple fact, if you copy something, nothing was ever taken away from the original and no theft has occurred.

Personally, I hate thieves as much as the next person. However, calling something theft because it's inconvenient to your business does not make it so.

Tell me, do you pay street performers money every time you hear them even if you think the performance is absolutely terrible? After all, you listened/watched their performance, it would be stealing not to compensate them. I hope you remembered to pay compensation every time you take a picture of something or imitate someone. I hope you remembered to pay compensation to your parents for everything you stole from them. You know, like the words you stole, facial expressions and the millions of other things they taught-you stole from them. After all, it would be stealing to copy something and not pay the owner for it.[/sarcasm]

While I agree it's rather immoral to copy someone's work without contributing anything, it is definitely not theft.

I would say they are entitled to compensation for having an idea that sells well and stealing the game cuts into that, there was all sorts of money put into the project to get to the point were they could sell it and people would buy it, they are also entitled to say if you want to play the game I made it's going to cost you X amount. If you don't feel the game is worth it then just plain out don't but it, stealing it from them is just wrong.

Making a game/movie/whatever and trying to sell it doesn't entitle you to jack shit. While I agree that it's only fair to compensate someone for their work, if you benefit from it, the world isn't exactly fair and not everyone will do it. Does a person deserve to be punished for copying? I don't really see the point in it. It's like trying to punish someone for being an ass. You may not agree with it but that doesn't give you the right to pass judgment on them.

Stealing is wrong, even if it was legal to I still wouldn't they put in time and money to make a product and I have no right to take if from them without paying how much they ask for it.

Finally, something I agree with.

Something tells me that your a pirate trying to justify his/her actions.

You can believe this if you want but you can also be wrong.

Also if you don't contribute to the company it fails, it is not just an idea, it is data and more importantly their data, you may not be taking it off the shelf but your still stealing it.

You're arguing semantics. Idea, data, invention,etc.; whatever you call it, it's still just information and not a real physical object. Nothing was taken, therefore, no theft has occurred. You can argue a fact until you are blue in the face but facts never change.

Don't try to justify it by saying your strapped for cash, just wanted to test the game,don't want to buy it, or your pirating to stick it to the game developers DRM. Because in those cases you don't have money? Then you can't buy it. Wanted to test it? There's either a demo or your rent the game. Don't want to buy it? Get off your ass. DRM pisses you off? Stop stealing their data and pay for your things like everyone else you lazy piece of shit, then they wouldn't need a DRM.

Law sets boundries on people, it's their for our saftey, it is also there to keep things fair. You are making it harder for people to earn a living, it's not just the big wigs at the top of the game studios either, people depend on these companies because they work there. Whenever you pirate a game your are sucking money out of someone elses pocket.

Though this probably won't change your way of thinking about piracy in general, and so I eagerly wait for the day when they can find you cheap bastards easily and see you and your kind get sued for being thieves.

Also borrowing from a friend is not stealing or pirating, your friend usually won't just give you the item and if you like something enough you will buy it. Your not supposed to present these items for public display (ie showing a movie off of a wall in a park), they said nothing about loaning them to other people.

You're either making shit up or replying to other people because I said none of those things.

 

[Cody211282]

If you're expecting a good reason for it, you're in for a long wait. Petty crimes are largely perpetrated on pathetic lack of rationale and casual ease. Doesn't help the situation much that a company attempting to take legal action on an individual will wind up costing them more than the product being stolen.

yep I have yet to see an argument that isn't just "because I want it".

Your very existence is a constant drain of resources from all of those around you. Your formative years cost your parents upwards of $200,000, not counting your college education (if you have one).

What argument beyond, "because I want to" do you have for continuing to live?

Well I'm self sufficient, I pay my own way for college including housing, books, food, everything, from when I got a job to when I moved out I payed my parents rent, I know I can't ever pay them back completely until they get old and I have to start taking care of them. And your argument makes no sense you don't need games to live.