Why do Science fiction and Fantasy have to be mutually exclusive

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dekkarax

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I've noticed that whenever a Fantasy story adds elements commonly associated with Science fiction (such as aliens, spaceships, etc) people tend to complain about it, and vice versa.

I wonder why these two genres can't mix. Sufficiently advanced technology may be indistinguishable from magic, but if that is true, shouldn't the opposite also be true?
 

Demongeneral109

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Final Fantasy disagrees nyoro~! Si-Fi is kinda the Spock genre, with explanations about everything, while Fantasy assumes a degree of exoticism and "cannot be explained just have faith and know its there" logic, the two ideologies of the genre's are incompatable nyoro~
 

Czargent Sane

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because fantasy and scifi are often extremely similar, and using the different names helps us differentiate them.
 

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Czargent Sane said:
because fantasy and scifi are often extremely similar, and using the different names helps us differentiate them.
If they're extremely similar, why do we need to differentiate them?

Demongeneral109 said:
Final Fantasy disagrees nyoro~! Si-Fi is kinda the Spock genre, with explanations about everything, while Fantasy assumes a degree of exoticism and "cannot be explained just have faith and know its there" logic, the two ideologies of the genre's are incompatable nyoro~
I agree with Demongeneral109 completely here. This is why I want more of a separation of the genres, at least in bookstores. I want a science fiction section and a fantasy section. I'll be in science fiction :)
 

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I think it's more iconography then setting (I really hope I said that right), I mean sure some JRPGs and Animes have given it a hell of a good shot and I'd LOVE to see more people attempt it, but there are just things in both Genres that just can't mix. I mean let's use your example of magic and technology, which are pretty much the defining features of their respective genres, if something is mostly based on powerful technology running everything even if it seems like magic (like in Too Human) it tends to be labeled Sci-Fi, if it's all run by way of magical powers and devices it turns into a Fantasy.

Now nothing I said is set in stone, but that's most of the reason it's so hard to meld the two genres together.
 

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Lisolet said:
Czargent Sane said:
because fantasy and scifi are often extremely similar, and using the different names helps us differentiate them.
If they're extremely similar, why do we need to differentiate them?

Demongeneral109 said:
Final Fantasy disagrees nyoro~! Si-Fi is kinda the Spock genre, with explanations about everything, while Fantasy assumes a degree of exoticism and "cannot be explained just have faith and know its there" logic, the two ideologies of the genre's are incompatable nyoro~
I agree with Demongeneral109 completely here. This is why I want more of a separation of the genres, at least in bookstores. I want a science fiction section and a fantasy section. I'll be in science fiction :)
to differentiate future and fringe science from past and magic. I dont think we need to differentiate them at all, personally, because they are so similar.
 

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it's been mixed in the past. examples would be that movie Stardust from 2007 (which wasn't very successful) as well as Dune. but a very famous one is star wars. It's really just ships flying around and the Jedi can use magic to heighten their reflexes and move objects, though in the prequels "metaclorians" kinda screwed up that idea for everyone.
 

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Z(ombie)fan said:
Star wars...

Umm, yea I wouldn't complain about it, really.
Agreed, the force and destiny and the chosen one are pretty fantastical to me...
 

Rayansaki

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I don't think this is true, there are some examples of Fiction and Fantasy working well together. Games like Final Fantasy or Star Ocean have a healthy mix of the two.
 

CJ1145

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Final Fantasy XIII says "No".

They don't have to be GOOD when combined, as this shows, but it's not impossible.
 

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brandon237 said:
Z(ombie)fan said:
Star wars...

Umm, yea I wouldn't complain about it, really.
Agreed, the force and destiny and the chosen one are pretty fantastical to me...
This.

I like star wars because it pretty much is a mixture of fantasy and sci fi.
 

fletch_talon

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The Shannara series.
A world full of gnomes, dwarves, trolls and elves. Where magic is an incredibly dangerous force best left wielded by the mysterious druids.
All set in a post apocalyptic future Earth. The secrets of technology are kept from the world, as they are what destroyed civilisation the last time round. The elves came out of where they had hidden for centuries whilst humans ruled the planet. The other creatures being mutated variations of humans created by the cataclysmic event.
Secret places are still guarded by giant mechanical creatures. Across the ocean lies a place where nothing lives, but where a machine rules and calls out for sustenance to power itself for another hundred years.

Its subtle, but its a mix of 1 part science fiction to 5 parts fantasy and its awesome.
 

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Um, no they don't. Comic books. They've been mixing sci-fi and magic for years. Thor and Iron Man are on the same team, the X-men have a few people skilled at magic (at least two), Doctor Strange has been to space on multiple occasions, Hank Pym has recently fought against Loki, the god of Mischief, in an attempt to understand magic from a scientific standpoint. A Valkyrie is on an Avengers team with War Machine.

And an argument can be made that Avatar was a conflict between sci-fi and fantasy, along with the original settling of the new world (at the time), despite the movie being set in a sci-fi world. And that was enjoyable. It hit the notes most fantasy books hit for me and made a world seem amazing and real to me.

I'd honestly love to see more of it. They're so different that the conflicting sides would be a thrill to see.
 

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I think the general argument behind it is that the more outlandish elements of sci-fi are typically explained, whereas the elements and trappings of fantasy stories are relegated to the time-honored tradition of "it works because that's what it does".

For example; you can find entire technical manuals on any given model of the starship USS Enterprise of Star Trek fame. Warp mechanics and fuel issues are addressed realistically. Even the weaponry is commonly explained in real-world terms.

The world of, say, Harry Potter, on the other hand, leaves far more to the reader's imagination. Why do "wands choose the wizard", and to what degree are they sentient? How, exactly, does Apparition work, and what quality makes it traceable by the Ministry of Magic? Just how did the protective magic born out of the "power of love" save Harry's life and allow him to escape with only a scar?

When you mix the genres, you have some elements that are explained, and others that we're meant to take on faith. In fiction, that's something of a difficult hat trick to pull off.

Incidentally, the webcomic Gunnerkrigg Court [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/index2.php] happens to deal with this very subject. The contrast between what can be explained by science and magic that simply works "because it works" is explored fairly well.