You've just described every single encounter I've had regarding every fandom I've come across (besides shippers).-Seraph- said:
Why does everyone love FFVII?
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I guess I would have to agree that the story is interesting, and the characters are pretty good, (I did watch Advent Children with my friend who loves FF7, he filled me in on what happened before) however, sexual attraction isn't what makes a good game... if it was, Dead or Alive and Rumble Roses would win all the "best game" contests.Paragon Fury said:
First game with awesome cinematic videos.
It had a pretty cool story as well, and the characters were just easy to like and looked awesome (at the time) for a PS game.
The fighting system was pretty standard but, it was fun as hell.
Sephiroth as a villain kicks total ass and the Sephiroth/Cloud relation made the history feel even more legendary.
It had a pretty cool story as well, and the characters were just easy to like and looked awesome (at the time) for a PS game.
The fighting system was pretty standard but, it was fun as hell.
Sephiroth as a villain kicks total ass and the Sephiroth/Cloud relation made the history feel even more legendary.
"Sex Appeal" is all that keeps Rumble Roses going.
DOA on the other hand, is more lead by the fact that is a good fighting game with a good, workable, defensive game (one that involves actual moves and combos, not "armor" and frame-counting), a nice variety of characters, a storyline that makes sense (at least compared to other fighting games), and then to top it off, they put in the boobies [http://ui13.gamespot.com/1516/aaa3_2.jpg].
DOA on the other hand, is more lead by the fact that is a good fighting game with a good, workable, defensive game (one that involves actual moves and combos, not "armor" and frame-counting), a nice variety of characters, a storyline that makes sense (at least compared to other fighting games), and then to top it off, they put in the boobies [http://ui13.gamespot.com/1516/aaa3_2.jpg].
it was a great game and i loved it but when i try to go back and play it just isnt what it used to be. however final fantasy tactics for the ps1 i can play over and over again.
The one thing that does annoy me about 7 is how it's popularity tends to overshadow some of the greater FF games. Hell if anything 7 owes a lot of it's success to FF6 due to how heavily derived 7 is from 6. 6 has yet to be topped in my books and although has a good amount of praise to it, it kinda is just forgotten by many at the same time. Those who loved 7 owe it to themselves to play and thoroughly enjoy FF6, or else I will beat them until they come to their senses any play it.
I've heard that it's pretty much THE jrpg to play, if you play any, but that other ones had better story, gameplay or both. So I'm inclined to pin this down to nostalgia. I played an hour of it, and just didn't see anything to keep me playing it. It's a game who's quality is greatly overinflated by the fans. (Kinda like what Yahtzee thinks of Halo).
Yeah. I see where you're going. I know games that deserve the position better. (things that start with Armored and end with Core.Cuniculus said:
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First off, I am a fan of FF7. Even have it on emulator so I can still play it if I feel like it. Just so ya know where I stand with it.
I would agree that a large part of its popularity is the nostalgia. It may not be so great by modern standards, by any means; gameplay, graphics, exploration, but when it came out it was one of the first 3D RPG's around, I think it caught much attention for that.
Also about the graphics, and not that it changes anything about them, Tetsuya Nomura had always wanted the characters to look as they do in the movie Advent Children (obviously not like sausage people). I think they should re-release FF7 with modern day graphics and have the characters look as they were intended to.. but I digress.
The story was the big point of the game, as it is with all JRPG's, of course; you don't play them for the oh so "exhilarating" battle systems. The story was entirely driven by it's characters, and for me personally (nostalgia effects I mentioned at the beginning) when I first played it, most of those characters were something new to me and different from each other. And also that the story was not purely and simply one plot, every character had his or her own story and motivation which made them feel like a lot more than Mindless Obedient Ally Drone #3.
As an overly sheltered kid myself being brought up in the early ages of our "PC world" (not personal computer, the other PC) FF7 was one of my first exposures to any kind of heartbreak. Speaking for myself, I became very attached to some of the characters as the story went on, and by the point that *SPOILER ALERT* Aeris dies, DIES, not "oh bother, I seem to be badly wounded." Not "alright alright let's just revive the ditz and move on." No, but dead, actually and properly DEAD, I felt the tragedy. It was heartbreaking, and that, I feel, is where a lot of the nostalgia comes from. *SPOILER ALERT OVER*
Last point, the bad guy.
The glory of a hero is defined by their villain. Sephiroth isn't a typical money and authority bad guy, nor is he a run of the mill devastation type, his motives run a lot deeper than just mindlessly wanting to blow up the world. A bad guy isn't so evil if he understands morality well enough to KNOW he's a bad guy, but when a bad guy does bad things because he THINKS it's a morally righteous thing, that's when that bad guy's gone a tad crazy. And Sephiroth is totally psychotic. He's deeply emotionally perturbed over events surrounding his existence and his mother.
Aside from the emotional aspect of the character, he's also terrifying in the way he's portrayed. There are a number of scenes that display his power and his lack of restraint to use it. A personal favourite of mine is when you're running through corridors in a building on the way to find Jenova, Sephiroth's "mother", and the walls and floors all are painted with blood by Sephiroth. It puts a face of horror to the villain's mental instability to walk alongside his strength in making him a monumental bad guy.
In closing I'd like to repeat, yes I am a fan of the game, so of course what I say is more than probably a touch subjective. But all the good points aside, I never liked the materia system. It was no one thing that was wrong with it for me, neither was any problem a big one, I simply found it a general pain in the arse. I'm much a bigger fan of the Job Class system in FF5.
That's all for me, and it sure is enough.
P.S. Final Fantasy VII is to games as Stairway To Heaven is to music, and whilst I'm a fan of both, just like most guitar shops have signs above the guitars saying "No Stairway" I think game forums should impose a sign saying "No FF7". Just a thought
I would agree that a large part of its popularity is the nostalgia. It may not be so great by modern standards, by any means; gameplay, graphics, exploration, but when it came out it was one of the first 3D RPG's around, I think it caught much attention for that.
Also about the graphics, and not that it changes anything about them, Tetsuya Nomura had always wanted the characters to look as they do in the movie Advent Children (obviously not like sausage people). I think they should re-release FF7 with modern day graphics and have the characters look as they were intended to.. but I digress.
The story was the big point of the game, as it is with all JRPG's, of course; you don't play them for the oh so "exhilarating" battle systems. The story was entirely driven by it's characters, and for me personally (nostalgia effects I mentioned at the beginning) when I first played it, most of those characters were something new to me and different from each other. And also that the story was not purely and simply one plot, every character had his or her own story and motivation which made them feel like a lot more than Mindless Obedient Ally Drone #3.
As an overly sheltered kid myself being brought up in the early ages of our "PC world" (not personal computer, the other PC) FF7 was one of my first exposures to any kind of heartbreak. Speaking for myself, I became very attached to some of the characters as the story went on, and by the point that *SPOILER ALERT* Aeris dies, DIES, not "oh bother, I seem to be badly wounded." Not "alright alright let's just revive the ditz and move on." No, but dead, actually and properly DEAD, I felt the tragedy. It was heartbreaking, and that, I feel, is where a lot of the nostalgia comes from. *SPOILER ALERT OVER*
Last point, the bad guy.
The glory of a hero is defined by their villain. Sephiroth isn't a typical money and authority bad guy, nor is he a run of the mill devastation type, his motives run a lot deeper than just mindlessly wanting to blow up the world. A bad guy isn't so evil if he understands morality well enough to KNOW he's a bad guy, but when a bad guy does bad things because he THINKS it's a morally righteous thing, that's when that bad guy's gone a tad crazy. And Sephiroth is totally psychotic. He's deeply emotionally perturbed over events surrounding his existence and his mother.
Aside from the emotional aspect of the character, he's also terrifying in the way he's portrayed. There are a number of scenes that display his power and his lack of restraint to use it. A personal favourite of mine is when you're running through corridors in a building on the way to find Jenova, Sephiroth's "mother", and the walls and floors all are painted with blood by Sephiroth. It puts a face of horror to the villain's mental instability to walk alongside his strength in making him a monumental bad guy.
In closing I'd like to repeat, yes I am a fan of the game, so of course what I say is more than probably a touch subjective. But all the good points aside, I never liked the materia system. It was no one thing that was wrong with it for me, neither was any problem a big one, I simply found it a general pain in the arse. I'm much a bigger fan of the Job Class system in FF5.
That's all for me, and it sure is enough.
P.S. Final Fantasy VII is to games as Stairway To Heaven is to music, and whilst I'm a fan of both, just like most guitar shops have signs above the guitars saying "No Stairway" I think game forums should impose a sign saying "No FF7". Just a thought
It's got lots of fans / fanboys / fangirls, the very foundation upon which popularity and Top X lists depend on.
Go on, I dare to read the post.
Read the original post and you'll see there's not an ounce of hate at all.VeX1le said:
Go on, I dare to read the post.
Another thing FFVII did was not just having "kill everything from point A to point B in a turn based fashion" be the only way to progress the story. Sometimes you had to do mini-games which you still had to kill things but in a different manner like Fort Condor or the Motor Cycle race before you leave Midgar.
To be honest, I don't give a crap about the actual gameplay. Turn-based RPG's can all go kiss my ball-bag. But when I saw footage of Advent Children, I thought it looked so cool that I decided to read the entire script from the game so that I'd be up to speed. The story is epic to say the least, so when I saw AC I was completely into it and revelling in the extreme fight scenes, unlike some people who were going in blind and only getting the action out of it.
Since then I've played Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core, the first good, the second excellent. And man whore that I am I'm going to pawn my original AC copy off onto my brother and grab AC: Complete.
To hell with the sitting and watching with an RPG, though. Give me a remake of FF7 with more action(or at least showing Cloud chopping down more buildings) and I'll eat it up. Until then I'm not giving FF7 on the PSN a passing glance.
Fuck Chocobos! More Buster Swords!!!
Since then I've played Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core, the first good, the second excellent. And man whore that I am I'm going to pawn my original AC copy off onto my brother and grab AC: Complete.
To hell with the sitting and watching with an RPG, though. Give me a remake of FF7 with more action(or at least showing Cloud chopping down more buildings) and I'll eat it up. Until then I'm not giving FF7 on the PSN a passing glance.
Fuck Chocobos! More Buster Swords!!!
You see more haters because lovers don't go public with their affection for the game... Sadly.-Seraph- said:
I don't like FF FANS, but my experiences with FF games have always been bad, though I have not played the 7th. I played a remake of the first which put me in an impossible situation I could never escape and I never played it again, 10 I lost interest, 10-2 was horrible (though far as Im aware, most FF fans agree) and FFXI has stolen over 100$ of mine and only given me an hour of gameplay and 10 hours of headache.
I can't blame them though with haters that can just shake your head in disgust. I see nothing wrong with fans openly showing their affection even if it gets a tad overboard. I mean one can always IGNORE the superfans and pay no attention to them as they shine bad light on the rest of us.rockingnic said: