Why does everyone say the Uncharted series is amazing?(MINOR SPOILERS)

[Casual Shinji]

OP, the reason EVERYONE likes these games is the same of why everyone likes Gears of War and Halo......because they fear that if they dont pay for these products the developers will go backrupt and never make good games like in the old days (Epic Games used to make games like Tyrian)

Your mindreading capabilities are astounding.

Oh wait, they're not! Otherwise you would've realized that people bought these games because they genuinely liked them. You might not think it, but situations like this are possible, you know.

 

[go-10]

So? just replace the weaponry of the bad guys and make the buildings and cities to be acurrate on their current state and that is it, nothing else. Why in this day and age (2011 for the game) would anyone seek those treasures if at this point the WHOLE FUCKING PLANET already stole all the doomsday weapons/fountain of youth/etc and therefore there is nothing else to discover??
Better yet, how does setting the Uncharted series in this day change ANYTHING at all?? What socio policical implications affect the world that is so important to set it today?? It seems that multimillionaires villains are still going around free to finance whatever expedition they want.

fine, fine its obvious you're not here to discuss you just want to prove that everybody that likes the series is wrong and you're right so lets leave it at that

I like Uncharted, you hate it to death. You think me liking it is wrong, I think you have every reason to hate it so lets just agree to disagree, and I'm done

 

[DioWallachia]

Spoiler: Surprised nobody has posted this picture yet...

Anyway. To answer your question.

Because they do? I love the Uncharted series. I enjoy the flow the games have to them, the characters are fun, and the storylines (while repetitive) are enjoyable to be seen over and over again without getting boring. Despite this, I can easily see why some people don't like them. I for one HATE modern warfare games like Call of Duty and Battlefield, instead opting for the sillier shooters like Serious Sam 3, Bulletstorm and Team Fortress 2 but I don't begrudge people for liking them (unless they act like complete elitist dicks about it). It's all a matter of taste and some people have different taste-buds than others.

Taste is fine and dandy but what we have here its an effect i like to call: "John Hughes Writing" He made awesome movies like the Breakfast Club and end up degrading himself to do Home Alone 3, Flubber and Baby's Day Out. Its like, for example, Robert de Niro ended up in movies like Little Fuckers.........oh wait

Uncharted may be fine to people but in the grand scale of things it will always be overshadow by the previous stories written by the same author

Same goes for games that are made years later and are no better in any aspect other than the graphical. Case in point, we have Serious Sam 3 that may as well be SS1 in HD

 

[DioWallachia]

So? just replace the weaponry of the bad guys and make the buildings and cities to be acurrate on their current state and that is it, nothing else. Why in this day and age (2011 for the game) would anyone seek those treasures if at this point the WHOLE FUCKING PLANET already stole all the doomsday weapons/fountain of youth/etc and therefore there is nothing else to discover??
Better yet, how does setting the Uncharted series in this day change ANYTHING at all?? What socio policical implications affect the world that is so important to set it today?? It seems that multimillionaires villains are still going around free to finance whatever expedition they want.

fine, fine its obvious you're not here to discuss you just want to prove that everybody that likes the series is wrong and you're right so lets leave it at that

I like Uncharted, you hate it to death. You think me liking it is wrong, I think you have every reason to hate it so lets just agree to disagree, and I'm done

I am asking seriously, what does it change? you are making me have blue balls because the more i try to question it the more people evade it

 

[DioWallachia]

Oh wait, they're not! Otherwise you would've realized that people bought these games because they genuinely liked them. You might not think it, but situations like this are possible, you know.

But if i said something like "People have different opinions" then it wont be any different of the storm of comments on this topic that are EXACTLY THE SAME. Better to say something interesting that something average.

It could be true after all. It happened to the people that likes Sonic and over and over pay for the games to see if they will ever get the same enjoyment as in the past. They keep buying the games like an abused wife

 

[EHKOS]

I don't care that I got sidetracked, I loved the ship part. The atmosphere in this game is great, and while I do agree that Sully is the best character, Nate kinda helps make him that. The plane part in 3 was exhilarating and it wasn't long. Most times you go through a plane like that and it turns out the plane is incredibly long with lots and lots of cargo. Naughty Dog has some of the best level designers I've ever seen. Yeah, the writing kinda sucks (I expected Elana to drink some sap to recover)but the gameplay itself is FLUID and enjoyable. Maybe your aim isn't that great, which is fine, but I liked the gunplay a lot.
Mostly, it comes down to opinions, but you have to admit there's effort and love being put into the game, and that can make a big difference.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Oh wait, they're not! Otherwise you would've realized that people bought these games because they genuinely liked them. You might not think it, but situations like this are possible, you know.

But if i said something like "People have different opinions" then it wont be any different of the storm of comments on this topic that are EXACTLY THE SAME. Better to say something interesting that something average.

It could be true after all. It happened to the people that likes Sonic and over and over pay for the games to see if they will ever get the same enjoyment as in the past

There you go again in assuming that the people who bought these games are blind nostalgic sheep. What magical mark of quality do you uphold that is somehow so much more genuine then ours?

 

[GundamSentinel]

I don't think the games are garbage, but they are overrated. The story is okay, but very predictable, the combat is sometimes shoddy and unbalanced (the jetski sections in the first game and the stealth combat in the latter games were perfect examples), the music is nothing special, I disliked the characters and the games have absolutely no replay value.

It looked very pretty though, often had great atmosphere and some of the puzzles were fun. I'd give them 7 out of 10 at best. They weren't horrible games, but nothing groundbreaking or special.

 

[The_Waspman]

I'm going to try my best to swallow my raging fanboy bile here, because I am aware that some people don't like the Uncharted games. Some people genuinely don't like them, and some people see a franchise that is very popular and tell everyone that they don't like it because its apparently it's not cool to like something so popular.

I personally don't like CoD. The reason I don't like it is because its so popular and having played several of the last installments I genuinely don't understand why so many people DO find it popular. Same with Fifa. But I digress.

Some people don't like the Uncharted games. I myself will admit that they have their flaws. And yes, they do 'play it safe', but if we can get away from sprouting anything and everything that Yahtzee says, I'd like to ask the OP what games exactly do YOU think are original and groundbreaking?

I'm not trying to start an argument here, but lets be honest, the majority of (particularly AAA) titles that are released nowadays possess a total lack of originality. But people still enjoy playing them.

 

[DioWallachia]

It could be true after all. It happened to the people that likes Sonic and over and over pay for the games to see if they will ever get the same enjoyment as in the past

There you go again in assuming that the people who bought these games are blind nostalgic sheep. What magical mark of quality do you uphold that is somehow so much more genuine then ours?[/quote]

Like i said in many post, i like ambition and innovation and certainly Legacy of Kain is something original to behold since it was written by the same person: Amy Henning. Seeing her making safe bets on things that will be forgotten eventually is heartbreaking but if she isn't going to catch up with the times then i have no reason to keep attention to her work. Does LoK have problems on the long run because its an actual series rather than 1 plot per game like an Indiana Jones or James Bond movie where everything is resolved in the end and never mentioned in the next game /movie?? YES, it has many problems but apparently the people focused the problem on the time travel rules for being too complicated (it isnt)

If you want something more recent that its fun and has an emotional story then i recomend Bastion and IJI, saying more will be a spoiler.

 

[Zipa]

They don't, see Yahtzee's frequent ripping on Nathan Drake in his reviews.

 

[DioWallachia]

I'm not trying to start an argument here, but lets be honest, the majority of (particularly AAA) titles that are released nowadays possess a total lack of originality. But people still enjoy playing them.

We know that, its the tip of the iceberg. But lets take the movie example here, once again i have to call for Citizen Kane. Best Movie of All Time (apparently) but somehow it didnt make money for some reason, maybe people didnt like it back then but now everyone loves it and that is the problem here. If it is really that good then why in the FUCK the people didnt like it back when it was out??

Now we have the gaming example: Psychonauts, best game ever and yet it flopped. Hating a popular game because its popular its stupid but its even MORE stupid that we have to make ammends for good games when its already too late for the developers that may or may not exist anymore and that even if all the planet bought the game it will be in a cheaper than free price that the author will never see any returns.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Like i said in many post, i like ambition and innovation and certainly Legacy of Kain is something original to behold since it was written by the same person: Amy Henning. Seeing her making safe bets on things that will be forgotten eventually is heartbreaking but if she isn't going to catch up with the times then i have no reason to keep attention to her work. Does LoK have problems on the long run because its an actual series rather than 1 plot per game like an Indiana Jones or James Bond movie where everything is resolved in the end and never mentioned in the next game /movie?? YES, it has many problems but apparently the people focused the problem on the time travel rules for being too complicated (it isnt)

If you want something more recent that its fun and has an emotional story then i recomend Bastion and IJI, saying more will be a spoiler.

I'm not saying you should like it. It's perfectly fine to think that the writting in Uncharted is of less quality than that of Legacy of Kain.

Just don't go saying that the people who do like Uncharted are somehow fooling themselves, or that they're doing it out of obligation for the love they have for the creator's previous work. That just comes off as insulting.

 

[G-Force]

In a generation where developers have embraced brown, drab enviorments, faceless protagonists and gruff men with gravely voices and shaved heads, it's nice to play a shooter that's...

- Colorful
- Flawed main character who's not TRYING to be badass and openly shoes his weaknesses
- Takes us to locations other than dull caves and empty offices
- Has a spirit of adventure

Also take almost any game out there and you can find it "ripping off" something else. If you bring hate toward uncharted then you better be prepared to have the games you love be put underneath the same overly critical lens that you are using.

 

[DioWallachia]

I'm not saying you should like it. It's perfectly fine to think that the writting in Uncharted is of less quality than that of Legacy of Kain.

Just don't go saying that the people who do like Uncharted are somehow fooling themselves, or that they're doing it out of obligation for the love they have for the creator's previous work. That just comes off as insulting.

Yes, it may be insulting but sometimes its better to think all the possibilities and explore if it its true or not, just for the sake of "What If....?"
Lets take for example the review of Red Letter Media on the Star Wars prequels, the writing sucks and there is no question about it BUT to say that the characters are empty shells its just weird, maybe it just too subtle for average people or maybe it would help if the RLM guy actually compared the prequel chars with other chars from other mediums. It WOULD be nice to analyze that if it wasn't that everyone takes this guy seriously now and talking anything that ISNT his word may get you banned even if at this point it should be obvious that there are no absolutes in the world.

Now lets talk about something waaay off topic. I always feel that Gordon Freeman didnt have a character because you play as him but never talked on screen. This terrifies me in the sense that it reminds me of Twilight, where the main protagonist its just an empty shell that serves to immerse to the story, therefore making any attack on the book or the character of Bella its equal to attacking the readers themselves.

Now, HL2 is SUPERIOR in any shape and form to Twilight. NO FUCKING DOUBT OF THAT. But what if???? What if the makers of HL made Gordon a mute for the sake of not having to think about dialog or even a decent character developement arc?? Perhaps they just wanted for Freeman to not talk in HL2 because it would break the tradition and the fans would be upset; Sort off in the same way that Super Castlevania 4 changed the whip mechanic but leaved the items intact as in the original for the sake of tradition, right? But maybe they felt that giving the players immersion would make the game critic proof because anyone would get insulted if they criticized the game (It went perfectly as planned)

So lets do the RLM thing that he did for Indiana Jones:
"Would Indy be the same without his outfit and his hat?"
"Its he too iconic for its how good to change ANYTHING of him?"

Ask yourself this: "If there is a character in Gordon Freeman, then why doesn't he talk?"
"Would talking break the character of Freeman in some way?" "Its there a character to begin with?"

 

[Waaghpowa]

Lets analize, shall we? If someone likes something specific about the game/movie when the rest is mediocre or awful then why doesnt the person donates money to the people behind the making of that set piece/special effect/dialog/whatever ??? If he pays for the full product then you are sending the message to make MORE mediocre crap so why people doesnt do that already?? Say that someone likes Trasformers 2 ROTF special effects but the rest of the movie is......yeah, so why doesnt he go to Youtube and watches the scene for free or better yet, why doesnt he see the best part of the movie, AKA the credits and sees the name of the person that he needs to pay for ACTUALLY doing his job well?

Sorry, but all of this comes off as incoherent to me.
What I got from this was:
People should pay for what they like, but people shouldn't pay for what's mediocre. So if people like something mediocre, they should pay for it?

Maybe I should clarify. I never buy anything I don't feel is worth the investment. I don't buy Call of Duty games because I don't think paying 60 dollars for what adds up to be a content patch is worth it. I didn't pay to see Transformers 2 and 3 because I thought the first one was terrible then proceeded to get enough feedback about the sequels before paying to see them.

My point earlier is that mediocre shit will always be made if people give money to receive it. Apparently the concept of voting with your wallet is lost on most people. There are always people who complain about how bad Call of Duty X is, yet they buy it anyway. They're helping to perpetuate the cycle that churns out the games they complain about. I for one never buy a game I don't like or haven't had the opportunity to try because if I don't like it, why encourage them to make more?

I've played the Uncharted series and they're not bad. Good enough to warrant numerous sequels? Probably not, but significantly better than some other games that are approaching sequels in the double digits. (In the case of Final Fantasy, they're already there)

Something that is popular isn't necessarily good, while things that are unpopular aren't necessarily bad. In some cases, popular things are good while unpopular things are bad.

What it boils down to is personal taste, what you like isn't going to be the same as someone else. No use fighting over it.

By the way, do you try free PC games?

When there's F2P and demos, try before buy. No demo? No buy till there's sufficient content and feedback to make an educated decision.

 

[DioWallachia]

Seriously?

Because it was simple. People feel guilty of liking something as atrocious like Transformers 2 but by paying for the FULL product they are telling the idiots on the production that the shit they made is worth millons even if the people only like something small like someone's acting of special effect or make up or whatever. So again why dont they just donate money to that actor that you like so the fucking movie doesnt get money that doesnt deserve.

"People should pay for what they like, but people shouldn't pay for what's mediocre. So if people like something mediocre, they should pay for it?"

If there is nothing good on the movie/game then of course they arent going to pay the full product or even care about any artist that worked there. If there is something that its worth saving in that trash can then just do the research and make sure that the people who actually give a fuck about film/games as art form or whatever to be rewarded. Because otherwise their faith in humanity will diminish because getting pay for being in a movie that its 2 hours fart jokes and 10 minutes drama is horrible. But knowing that in your audience there is someone who actually cared about those 10 minutes of REAL perfomance and wants to see more of it its just wonderfull

"They're helping to perpetuate the cycle that churns out the games they complain about" Yeah exactly, that is why just paying for what you like should be enough

What i mean with Free games (or almost) i mean games that are the coup of tea of the reviewers TraskNari or TotalBiscuit. You know, Runman, IJI, Ao Oni, Bastion, etc.

 

[Rheinmetall]

I think the Uncharted series is an overrated piece of garbage.

To be honest I didn't read, and I didn't want to read the rest of the text that perhaps could prove the truth of this introduction. Any read that starts with such a dismissive way isn't something worth reading for me.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Rabble rabble rabble

Sorry, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. All I said originally is that Uncharted is simply better than what is currently available. Nothing I originally posted could have lead to any of this, but apparently you're reading far too much into my one sentence post.