Why Homosexuality Should be Banned

[ShadowsofHope]

Then I guess we'll be waiting forever for more, as usual. It's either fundamental Christian blogs and quoted Biblical verses, or.. "It's my belief, respect it just.. well, because!". At least, in terms of this specific topic.

The 'funny' thing about bigoted people who wail about having to respect their beliefs is that they never respect anyone else's.

If you are referring to me, then I will have to call that out. I respect another individual's right to believe what they wish, as long as it doesn't directly deny others the right to live the way they wish without having to gain "approval" from the other individual before they can do so. Such is the case with Gay Marriage, or specifically the anti-Gay Marriage side.

"It is my belief that you are immoral, hedonistic and unnatural, and henceforth based on such I find reason to deny you a happy life with whomever you wish to spend it with, as well as have the same legal recognition of the union that I do by default" is essentially what the position comes down to, and it is revolting.

If you are talking about him (and people like him), however, then I completely agree. And it shows every time.

 

[SarahSyna]

Then I guess we'll be waiting forever for more, as usual. It's either fundamental Christian blogs and quoted Biblical verses, or.. "It's my belief, respect it just.. well, because!". At least, in terms of this specific topic.

The 'funny' thing about bigoted people who wail about having to respect their beliefs is that they never respect anyone else's.

Unfortunate, but, you should be respecting it anyway on principle. Respect the ability to have stupid views. Do not respect the views in themselves.

Truth be told, I find it hard to respect a view that considers me to be less than human.

If you are referring to me, then I will have to call that out. I respect another individual's right to believe what they wish, as long as it doesn't directly deny others the right to live the way they wish without having to gain "approval" from the other individual before they can do so. Such is the case with Gay Marriage, or specifically the anti-Gay Marriage side.

"It is my belief that you are immoral, hedonistic and unnatural, and henceforth based on such I find reason to deny you a happy life with whomever you wish to spend it with, as well as have the same legal recognition of the union that I do by default" is essentially what the position comes down to, and it is revolting.

If you are talking about him (and people like him), however, then I completely agree. And it shows every time.

I wasn't referring to you at all, and I actually agree with you. Sorry, I didn't clarify.

 

[marfin_]

I agree, its a free country (or I try to believe that at times) and would like to see people be treated as people. I'm a christian and believe that if homosexuals are being treated inferior it is not how we should act!

P.S. For the people pointing out old rules in Leviticus and the rest of the old testament, that is exactly what they are Old Rules. The old testament is in the bible to set up the events in the new testament, but many times in the new testament the pharisees who would try to persecute Jesus would bring up old laws and Jesus would say they don't matter anymore I have came to change those.

 

[Baneat]

Then I guess we'll be waiting forever for more, as usual. It's either fundamental Christian blogs and quoted Biblical verses, or.. "It's my belief, respect it just.. well, because!". At least, in terms of this specific topic.

The 'funny' thing about bigoted people who wail about having to respect their beliefs is that they never respect anyone else's.

Unfortunate, but, you should be respecting it anyway on principle. Respect the ability to have stupid views. Do not respect the views in themselves.

Truth be told, I find it hard to respect a view that considers me to be less than human.

Repeating : You needn't respect *the view*

You respect *The right to hold said shitty view*

Like, I can hold a turd in my hand, You must not make it illegal to hold the shit in my hand, doesn't mean you respect my choice to hold it in my hand.

 

[SarahSyna]

Then I guess we'll be waiting forever for more, as usual. It's either fundamental Christian blogs and quoted Biblical verses, or.. "It's my belief, respect it just.. well, because!". At least, in terms of this specific topic.

The 'funny' thing about bigoted people who wail about having to respect their beliefs is that they never respect anyone else's.

Unfortunate, but, you should be respecting it anyway on principle. Respect the ability to have stupid views. Do not respect the views in themselves.

Truth be told, I find it hard to respect a view that considers me to be less than human.

Repeating : You needn't respect *the view*

You respect *The right to hold said shitty view*

Like, I can hold a turd in my hand, You must not make it illegal to hold the shit in my hand, doesn't mean you respect my choice to hold it in my hand.

Oh yeah, I wasn't disputing that. I was just saying that a lot of the people who wail about their views not being respected are usually the ones being disrespectful.

 

[Baneat]

Then I guess we'll be waiting forever for more, as usual. It's either fundamental Christian blogs and quoted Biblical verses, or.. "It's my belief, respect it just.. well, because!". At least, in terms of this specific topic.

The 'funny' thing about bigoted people who wail about having to respect their beliefs is that they never respect anyone else's.

Unfortunate, but, you should be respecting it anyway on principle. Respect the ability to have stupid views. Do not respect the views in themselves.

Truth be told, I find it hard to respect a view that considers me to be less than human.

Repeating : You needn't respect *the view*

You respect *The right to hold said shitty view*

Like, I can hold a turd in my hand, You must not make it illegal to hold the shit in my hand, doesn't mean you respect my choice to hold it in my hand.

Oh yeah, I wasn't disputing that. I was just saying that a lot of the people who wail about their views not being respected are usually the ones being disrespectful.

Simple:
"You suck because you don't respect my view in itself"
My answer: "I don't respect your view, simple as"

 

[HalfTangible]

You know, ive seen a lot of threads about homosexuality in these forums, and most if not all the posts defend it with an almost religious fervor. What is it with you people and gay rights, how can anyone defend that. Im sorry for being a "troll" or whatever, but seriously ppl.

You're so obviously trolling, and you will soon be banned, but in the meantime lets try and discuss your failings as a decent human being.

Its funny you describe standing for gay rights as being 'almost religious', which I think is ironic and slightly insulting to the cause. Gay Rights uses scientific, medical and social evidence to promote equality and understanding, while religion uses fear, ignorance and hatred to install feelings of loyalty to an imaginary being, often with the promise of eternal happiness, in exchange for your free will and worldly possessions.

So, yeah... Grow a pair.

And i find it ironic you treat an entire group (religion) as complete garbage... because you have seen some of them treat a different group (homosexuals) like garbage.

Personally I am against two things homosexual (Gay pride and marriage - The latter on principle, and the former because pride in something you're trying to tell me is irrelevant to your character makes absolutely zero sense) but i am not against homosexuals themselves.

If you're against the religious reasons for denouncing homosexuality, fine. My pride in my savior can take the hit. But don't you fucking DARE tell me that my entire group is idiotic garbage because of something a single troll on an internet forum said.

Firstly, I'll accept that I fell for the troll. I was angry, and I generalised. I'd just like to say I don't consider religion to be complete garbage, some basic principals are worth upholding.

The gay pride thing I've already tried to explain to people, in that it isn't just about being proud in your sexuality, its a way of showing a united front against those who would try and persecute and harm them if they were separate.

My reasons for my anti-religion are many and far reaching, with the way major religions treat homosexuals being just one, and its not just because of that one troll. Religion has its good points, such as making people feel accepted and secure (heh, kinda like a gay pride march, really), but it also has many, many problems which I can't pass off. Don't get me wrong, I used to be religious, I have many friends who are religious, and we often have friendly, if heated, debates about the benefits and drawbacks of religion.

I won't lie. I look back on my religious upbringing and think "How the hell did I believe that nonsense?" and when people discuss how their saviour will deliver them, I sigh inwardly. I try not too, I honestly do, and I'm usually balanced and objective in everything I do. But I just think about how organised religion has fucked people over, both the people who are part of it and the people who aren't, and I just thank God (Beautiful irony, there) that I'm not one of them.

I'm sorry that you took offense at my post, but my stance on religion is not based on a single troll. Its based on my experiences and the knowledge I have learnt, and my personal opinion.

'Uniting with your group' isn't why i oppose gay pride rallies - i stand behind that (partly because i'm in at least four outcast groups) i oppose it because the few times i've seen it it ISN'T about having pride in being gay, it's having pride in dressing like clothes are out of style. I'd feel the same way about whore pride rallies. The difference here is that gay pride has the defense of being an oppressed group, so it's not possible to stop without being called bigot or homophobe.

I realize that's in all likelihood a generalization, but I don't have much else to work with here.

If you don't want to follow god... well, that's your choice, and I am both unable and unwilling to stop you from making that choice. Personally i agree that religion has massive problems (starting with TV priests demanding money from the watchers) but that god is real and it's principles are worth upholding.

I'm sorry i got pissed off over this. I'm just sick of anti-religion and troll feeding... very sick of 'em.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

You know, ive seen a lot of threads about homosexuality in these forums, and most if not all the posts defend it with an almost religious fervor. What is it with you people and gay rights, how can anyone defend that. Im sorry for being a "troll" or whatever, but seriously ppl.

Same way we would defend your rights or a black man's rights or anyone's rights really. The only difference between a homosexual and you is their sexual orientation, and that doesn't make them any less of a human. They have god given rights. Defending homosexuals and their right to marry isn't just the moral or ethical thing to do, its the logical and constitutional thing to do.

 

[Navvan]

Homosexuality is quite common in the natural world in many other species, why should humanity be any different?

Because we're talking about gay rights here, so animals have nothing to do in this discussion. That's like saying: It's unnatural for the human being to fly. And then someone comes up with: "But, birds...".

in what sense, then, can you say that homosexuality is unnatural? you seem to be appealing to a purely subjective standard of human nature.

The point was the naturalistic argument is flawed. Simply because something occurs naturally does not give it any weight in an argument. This is because there are natural things that are considered both good and bad from a human stand point, its not a giant pool of beneficial/good/awesome. The same goes with "unnatural" things, there are both good and bad unnatural things so to state that something is unnatural and thus bad is a fallacious argument. This video argues the correct point against the naturalistic argument, not the most common flawed one.

Also homosexuality can be said to be unnatural as no exclusive in the wild pure homosexual relationships have been observed. To my knowledge at least, I feel its important to point that out as I'm not omnipotent but I'll continue to assume so until I see a credible sources state otherwise (scientific article). People get homosexual activity/behavior and homosexuality confused. The difference is what prevents the dog humping your leg being termed bestiality on the dog's part. They're following gratification for gratification's sake and to compare that with a human homosexual relationship I find demeaning.

 

[captaincabbage]

I think the title of this thread should be changed.
It's a bit misleading. Most people will just click it expecting a nasty thread.

Yeah, I'll second that. I came here expecting to rage of some homosexual haters. I was sorely disappointed.

OT: Fucking lol'd at the video tho. It makes every good point you could give and it makes it in a concise and witty way.

 

[PortalThinker113]

I saw this thread out of the corner of my eye while taking the Bioshock Infinite quiz and came in here ready to smite thine trolls with the blade of love and acceptance, but found a great satirical video that made me smile. Well played, sir, well played!

Oh, and I am a lifelong Christian who wholeheartedly supports gay rights and marriage and has many, many gay friends. I see no reason whatsoever why those two parts of my life cannot go hand in hand with each other. Just wanted to throw that out there- Christians should not bring hatred into the world, but non-Christians (and people against religion in general) should realize that not all Christians think homosexuality is a sin.

 

[Raskolnikov34]

I messed up the quotes here so I'll put lines between them:
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I said:

Why am I anti-gay marriage?

Because its not conductive to a happy, functioning society. It would completely destroy the institution of marriage (something already suffering from the amount of divorces). Gay marriages are almost always unhealthy, they leave the children involved in particular without proper role models, and leads to unhappiness for them later on. And, yes, homosexual is completely unnatural, and is (warning: this may be offensive) frankly immoral, hedonistic behavior. From a biological, ethical, and psychological perspective, it is unnatural behavior that should not accepted by society.


And no, I don't hate or fear homosexuals, I don't support any sort of violence against them. And don't take this as a hate speech, I'm open to debate and seeing your points of view as well.


Here's a website that has some points for and against it (and no, I don't agree with their point about religions): http://www.balancedpolitics.org/same_sex_marriages.htm[/quote]

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Tjcross said:

i will admit that i do not know much about an actual gay person and will agree that they should not adopt (i mean if it's hell for a gay kid to grow up with straight parents it would be the same for a straight kid with gay parents especially if the parents were a different gender than the child) i believe they should be allowed to marry the reason i support them is because my belief is that a gay person merely has some "wires" in their brain mixed up (same as how some people have a foot fetish) and due to that i label it more under a mental condition that only changes how the subject lusts for someone and since it doesn't effect society in the big picture other than it being odd i don't see a reason to stand against it nor do i find it immoral because well my morals are just be a good person and don't really have anything to do with sexuality (except some of the more horrible aspects such as rape torture ect) and i will admit that by my morals being anti-homo is not immoral either as long as the person doesn't participate in hate crimes i am just trying to understand it.

also i only read the beginning of the link (the bullet points) but i think the slipping of who can marry who is a bit much i will admit some people will say things like that (the multiple wives/husbands scenario is likely and i will admit could be dangerous, the incestuous marriage has been proven to have a highly increased chance of a disabled child) but the marriage of animals is highly unlikely (or at least highly unlikely to be taken seriously as an animal is an entirely different species.
finally i would like to thank you for being civil i have tried to talk to other anti-homo marriage people before and all i got were stereotypical white trash teenagers or preachers (then again you have probably had you fair share of politically correct drones attacking you) good to see someone can talk intelligently about it.[/quote]

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I said:

First of all, I agree with your statements on children growing up in gay households and I think you did a good job summing up the general argument.

However, there is no actually scientific proof (as far as I know, I'm know scientist and I'll accept evidence if someone presents it) that gays have something biologically different, ie: "wires" crossed differently. My view on it has always been that it is nurture rather than nature. Neither takes away guilt from a gay person if they act on their desires, in the same way someone with a biological or psychological tendency towards alcoholism is not excused if they fall into it.

And to the marriage issue, yes, I could see marriage going into disorder that much, because by pro-gay logic, a man can marry a man, can a man not marry a horse? Or his sister? Or have ten wives?

And thanks for not lumping me in with white trash teens or fundamentalist preachers.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Ugh, this video is obnoxious...

I'm anti-homosexual (don't flame me), and I hate the way he basically makes up supposed arguments of anti-homosexual people.

i do not wish to flame you but may i ask why you are anti-homosexual is it because it is not normal or is it fear or is it just that you don't understand it or is it something else for the first no on is "normal" we all have quirks that make us weird (mine include saying BING BONG when i enter my house and eating block cheese with mayo spread on it or saying eh as a type of question mark... yes i'm Canadian) for the second well not much i can say there for the last i can understand it's weird and you have no connection it's like trying to describe colors to a person who has been blind since birth but honestly i'd like to hear why from an anti-homo who actually has manners (and just so you know i'm am straight so you don't need to talk about it in your response if you choose to respond) also if you say it's because it's unnatural well so is a computer and cars and all the other appliances we use on a daily basis and the unnatural claim is the only one i find complete crap (religion is protected cause hey hard to argue with someone you can't talk to aka god)

Why am I anti-gay marriage?

Because its not conductive to a happy, functioning society. It would completely destroy the institution of marriage (something already suffering from the amount of divorces). Gay marriages are almost always unhealthy, they leave the children involved in particular without proper role models, and leads to unhappiness for them later on. And, yes, homosexual is completely unnatural, and is (warning: this may be offensive) frankly immoral, hedonistic behavior. From a biological, ethical, and psychological perspective, it is unnatural behavior that should not accepted by society.


And no, I don't hate or fear homosexuals, I don't support any sort of violence against them. And don't take this as a hate speech, I'm open to debate and seeing your points of view as well.


Here's a website that has some points for and against it (and no, I don't agree with their point about religions): http://www.balancedpolitics.org/same_sex_marriages.html

Can you perhaps prove any of those points in regards to dysfunctional families with two same gender parents? Because unless you can, your entire argument is lacking. What about single parents? Not everyone has a male and female role model in their household and most of those children turn out fine, I could pull out a handful of individuals who made out rather well in this world and even made it a better place, all while lacking a specific gender in their guardians. What about orphans who never get adopted? I know quite a few of them who have turned out to lead successful lives. What about families who lose a parent to disease or accident? My adopted cousins lost their father while they were still infants and neither of them have met their birth mother or father. They turned out fine and are currently very happy young adults.

And from biological standpoint, you're incorrect as well. Homosexuality occurs in nature. From an Ethical standpoint, you're also incorrect. It be unethical to deny them the right to marry based on who they plan to marry. Just like it would be to deny a black man the right to marry a white woman or any other race. There is no reason why they shouldn't marry, they have the god given right to marry whoever they choose and its unconstitutional for the government or anyone else to deny them that right.

 

[Biodeamon]

Yes, the thought of gay people having sex is desgusting just don`t think about it!

 

[Soulfoodman]

Dang this thread is way too long for me to read and see what has already been discussed so I'll just post what I have to say and if it has been said, you can ignore it, not that I'm trying to bring anything forward to debate.

I remember this video. I had a good laugh watching it. Do you guys remember the response video those 2 girls (if I recall correctly) made to it because they didn't get that it was sarcastic. Kudos to them for trying to stand up for homosexuals, but it was almost as funny to see the point shoot straight over their heads.

 

[pope_of_larry]

Ugh, this video is obnoxious...

I'm anti-homosexual (don't flame me), and I hate the way he basically makes up supposed arguments of anti-homosexual people.

i do not wish to flame you but may i ask why you are anti-homosexual is it because it is not normal or is it fear or is it just that you don't understand it or is it something else for the first no on is "normal" we all have quirks that make us weird (mine include saying BING BONG when i enter my house and eating block cheese with mayo spread on it or saying eh as a type of question mark... yes i'm Canadian) for the second well not much i can say there for the last i can understand it's weird and you have no connection it's like trying to describe colors to a person who has been blind since birth but honestly i'd like to hear why from an anti-homo who actually has manners (and just so you know i'm am straight so you don't need to talk about it in your response if you choose to respond) also if you say it's because it's unnatural well so is a computer and cars and all the other appliances we use on a daily basis and the unnatural claim is the only one i find complete crap (religion is protected cause hey hard to argue with someone you can't talk to aka god)

Why am I anti-gay marriage?

Because its not conductive to a happy, functioning society. It would completely destroy the institution of marriage (something already suffering from the amount of divorces). Gay marriages are almost always unhealthy, they leave the children involved in particular without proper role models, and leads to unhappiness for them later on. And, yes, homosexual is completely unnatural, and is (warning: this may be offensive) frankly immoral, hedonistic behavior. From a biological, ethical, and psychological perspective, it is unnatural behavior that should not accepted by society.


And no, I don't hate or fear homosexuals, I don't support any sort of violence against them. And don't take this as a hate speech, I'm open to debate and seeing your points of view as well.


Here's a website that has some points for and against it (and no, I don't agree with their point about religions): http://www.balancedpolitics.org/same_sex_marriages.htm

would you rather children go with out homes and change home every year or so, from what i have seen when that happens more time then not the kid dose not end up right. and it is natural this is a list of mammals alone that show homosexual behavior. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior#Mammals

 

[Kopikatsu]

hey hey hey HEY
Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom

It actually does. And so does (sort of) bestiality. I have a dog that is about 8 and a kitten that is about 7 months old. The dog is continuosly trying to rape the cat. And they are both male.

Humans are mammals, so they're animals first and foremost.

Pretty much everything that humans do, other animals do. Homosexuality, prostitution, rape, murder, theft...all those and many, MANY more activities are fairly widespread (Of course, each species has their own quirks) in the animal kingdom.

Examples? Dolphins regularly take part in gang rape, torture, and cold blooded murder. :x Koloa's dope up constantly, ducks rape each other (And have even evolved to keep from getting pregnant when raped), some penguins resort to prostitution in order to obtain stones to make a nest for it's eggs, and so on and so forth.

I'm completely cool with homosexual couples. I dislike bisexuality, though. PICK ONE, DAMMIT! D<

I like homosexual men most of all, though. It means that there are more women who are mateless. Yes, it's completely selfish, but all is fair in love and war.

 

[ductape10]

I like how he says "we live in a free country do do want ever we want BUT NOT marry someone of the same sex as us" that is what we call shooting yourself in the foot