Why I Hate Halo (among other games)
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Halo isn't Dwarf Fortress. Its actually got a real easy learning curve, one of the easier shooters to say the least. Its still fun but the difficulty this guy is talking about doesn't sound like Halo 2. Sorry if I came across as jerkish but I'm tired of people going on about why they hate halo (or CoD for that matter).Daniel Moores said:
So does that mean you should hate it? I'm not amazing at football (in real life) but I still love the game. And if he knew he wasn't good, why did he play and expect to do better? I think this whole thread's pretty lame. He doesn't like Halo 2 or Mario because he's not very good... What?!Daniel Moores said:
So your problem with these games is that people who play the game a lot are better at the competitive multiplayer modes than you are? I hope you realize that's how the world works. The more you do something, the better you get at it. You don't just start out being the baddest ************ around, you have to start from somewhere.
While I admit that certain online communities do have a pretty high bar for entry, I've found that Halo actually isn't all too difficult to play online. I can understand that you were crushed seeings as you don't own an Xbox or play the game regularly. However, I can't really say that this is a design flaw seeings as the developers of a game should not feel a need to cater to players that aren't actually going to purchase their game. I've never been an avid Halo fan, but I played the multiplayer for a while after I beat the campaign and after a little bit I was putting some pretty good games together.
While I admit that certain online communities do have a pretty high bar for entry, I've found that Halo actually isn't all too difficult to play online. I can understand that you were crushed seeings as you don't own an Xbox or play the game regularly. However, I can't really say that this is a design flaw seeings as the developers of a game should not feel a need to cater to players that aren't actually going to purchase their game. I've never been an avid Halo fan, but I played the multiplayer for a while after I beat the campaign and after a little bit I was putting some pretty good games together.
I would say it depends on the mindset go into a game. I'm not good at Halo either, and I know I suck, and I generally get my ass handed to me. Which has led me to not take the game to seriously in that regard, I know I can't win, so why would I try? But I still like it, because bringing 3 friends over, and rofling around online, can bring bucketloads of fun.
Hate the player, not the game, basically.
Hate the player, not the game, basically.
Wow. People are misinterpreting what I was saying. I am not saying that anyone should hate a game because they can't play it. I am simply putting it out in the open that some people really just CAN'T play some games and CAN'T get better in them. Halo and other shooters are for gamers who have good reaction speeds and enjoy competition. I have NOT, I repeat NOT, said that that is a reason to hate a game. I am just sick of hearing all the ignorant bastards saying that "Halo is easy". Well for them it may be, but for others it can be one of the hardest games out there. It's just like how some people can't play RPGs because they don't have the imagination to do so. So, the game series, for shooters, is actually good. Not for everyone though. We have also gone off track, The original topic was that these games are too competitive. Which, they CAN be (except Mario Cart), that's why there are Pro gamers.
As a last note, PLEASE Think before you say a game is easy. Just because you have the right skill set to make it easy for you does not mean others do.
As a last note, PLEASE Think before you say a game is easy. Just because you have the right skill set to make it easy for you does not mean others do.
Thank you for your opinion on Halo. I'm sure the internet will file it with the other thousands of pre-existing forum posts on why people don't like it.
This looks so much like a walking stick shaking "BACK IN MY DAY!!!" moment.
Times change, and you can either change with them, or dislike everything new.
In terms of difficulty, I would say play the single player on harder and harder levels until you're good enough to go online.
Also, Halo 2 is by far the least user friendly when it comes to online play. Starting with an SMG, having to lead 10 feet to hit with the sniper and other stuff like that.
Times change, and you can either change with them, or dislike everything new.
In terms of difficulty, I would say play the single player on harder and harder levels until you're good enough to go online.
Also, Halo 2 is by far the least user friendly when it comes to online play. Starting with an SMG, having to lead 10 feet to hit with the sniper and other stuff like that.
I feel your pain. It's prettymuch why I refused to play NBA Jam games against my brother back in the day. He'd be really good at it, I'd be really bad and all he'd do is gloat over his success. That doesn't encourage me to want to play, it makes me want to throw a controller through a TV screen.
I believe it's the experience that sours one's feeling towards a game, not the game itself. Your friends were obviously being jerks by bringing you over so they could have someone to beat--rather than fighting the dozens of people online who have probably mopped the floor with them. It would have been nice if they had taken time to impart some of their mad skills on you, making you a more worthy opponent. Of course, if winning matters that much, you could always go online and read up/watch videos.
I both agree and disagree that games like Halo, Mario Kart and World of Warcraft can foster an unnecessary level of competitiveness in people. In all three games, you don't HAVE to compete to have a good time. My best times in WoW weren't just raiding, it was cruising around the game with friends, dying and levelling together. I also enjoyed telling people how to pull off certain moves in Mario Kart, because it's honestly really lame to wait for someone else to finish the race.
I don't think the games are that bad, I just think you need new friends.
I believe it's the experience that sours one's feeling towards a game, not the game itself. Your friends were obviously being jerks by bringing you over so they could have someone to beat--rather than fighting the dozens of people online who have probably mopped the floor with them. It would have been nice if they had taken time to impart some of their mad skills on you, making you a more worthy opponent. Of course, if winning matters that much, you could always go online and read up/watch videos.
I both agree and disagree that games like Halo, Mario Kart and World of Warcraft can foster an unnecessary level of competitiveness in people. In all three games, you don't HAVE to compete to have a good time. My best times in WoW weren't just raiding, it was cruising around the game with friends, dying and levelling together. I also enjoyed telling people how to pull off certain moves in Mario Kart, because it's honestly really lame to wait for someone else to finish the race.
I don't think the games are that bad, I just think you need new friends.
I'm sorry, but I actually laughed out loud when I read this. Don't you think that it might not be the game that's too hard to get into? Couldn't it be that you just suck? Cause my friend, who doesn't own an xbox and had only played Halo with me, came over and pwned me after just a few hours of playing.
Halo is one of the easiest games to get good at, you just can't play it like Call of Duty.
I mean, of course multiplayer is going to be harder for people who don't play the game, because the other people have the game and know the ins and outs of what to do. But that's not the game's fault, it's just that some people want to be good at multiplayer. And who cares if you lose? That's a given, no matter what game you play. You play it less than the other guy, the other guy's going to win. I still have fun.
Halo is one of the easiest games to get good at, you just can't play it like Call of Duty.
I mean, of course multiplayer is going to be harder for people who don't play the game, because the other people have the game and know the ins and outs of what to do. But that's not the game's fault, it's just that some people want to be good at multiplayer. And who cares if you lose? That's a given, no matter what game you play. You play it less than the other guy, the other guy's going to win. I still have fun.
I decided to give Halo another chance. Only experience I've had with the series was CE on the PC, which didn't exactly blow up my skirt. In fact, I only managed to finish about a third of it before it became a casualty to boredom. I lowered my expectations as low as they could go, figuring that it can't be that bad.
Well... I'm not going to say it's bad, but after only two levels, it really does seem as though Bungie's idea of a good single player campaign is about as far away from my own as humanly possible.
1) I defy anyone to get past the opening menus without realizing this game is really about MP. Single player menus tend to be all about getting players into the action with a minimum of choices. Instead, I'm wondering if I should turn scoring on. I know this isn't a big deal, but it's irritating to be constantly reminded that I really should be playing this on-line. I know, it's a serious nit-pick, but this sort of thing undermines my confidence about getting a proper single player game.
2) Music is quite good, but the combination of bored voice acting and characters with helmets means I got through the opening cinematics without giving a shit about anyone in the game... or finding anything particularly cool. Just a bunch of soldiers quietly sitting around out-machoing each other without a trace of irony. I kind of get the feeling that I'm supposed to think it's amazingly cool because I'm seeing so many Spartans hanging out together, but that would require me to give a shit about the Halo Universe, which I don't. I'm reminded of the image of Superman holding Thor's hammer which set off a wave of nerdgasm in my friends, but I was just thinking "yeah, and..."
3) Combat... this really is at the core of my boredom with the original game. I'm not a big fan of games where lowest level cannon fodder baddies requires more than a couple of shots from the default weapon. These guys pretty much exist to mow down quickly with a minimum of thought, so I'm mentally cursing every time I shoot a short burst of fire into those annoying gibbering aliens, move on to the next one, only to realize they're still up. And that's pretty much the whole Halo experience for me, every enemy seems to take about 25% more effort to take down than I want them to, which makes the game feel like wading through molasses for me.
4) Combat Part Deux... the melee attacks. First time I played Halo I had no idea that the melee attack was so unbelievably over-powered. Seems like the game really encourages players to charge enemies, which is pretty much the complete opposite of my combat style. I prefer to hang back, utilize cover, and pick away at my enemies. Halo, like the original Unreal, kind of feels like I'm deathmatching in single player, which my brain kind of rejects for breaking all the rules of immersion.
5) The Fucking Vehicles... this one, I really hope I'm just over-looking a menu option, because this is bar none the most game killing element I've encountered in a game in recent memory. Left stick to accelerate and brake, right stick to steer. It's like being told to pat my head and rub my belly, then rub my head and pat my belly. I'm cool as long as I'm going in one direction, but the second I have to go in reverse all coordination goes out the window, the vehicle flips over, then I have to wait far too long for my idiot squad-mates to get back on the fucking car.
6) Time to hop on a chopper (again) and watch the scenery slowly go by (again). First rule of being stuck inside of a moving vehicle is that cool shit is supposed to be going on around you. Even the most boringest tram ride in history (Half-Life) had plenty of little moments going on in the background. In Halo, it's "hey, look, I can see another dozen funny looking windmills".
7) In the second mission, there's this bit where my squad-mate finds this girl refusing to speak American, before a cinematic hits. About a quarter of the way through this, the game had pretty much crossed the invisible line of how much cinematic I'm willing to go through about something that's not in the least bit interesting. Okay, bad guys are loose in the base, I need to go kill them... okay, guys, any moment now... can I have control of my character back now... ummm, any time now... okay, now I'm watching someone close a door... fuck it, as soon as I get control back, I'm saving and quitting the game.
Let's stress I'm not saying Halo is a bad game. All of this is done with a certain amount of skill, but it's so strange how this game manages to dance through a mine-field of things I find interesting and completely fails to step on anything. I can't think of another first-person shooter that had me so disinterested after the first couple of missions.
Well... I'm not going to say it's bad, but after only two levels, it really does seem as though Bungie's idea of a good single player campaign is about as far away from my own as humanly possible.
1) I defy anyone to get past the opening menus without realizing this game is really about MP. Single player menus tend to be all about getting players into the action with a minimum of choices. Instead, I'm wondering if I should turn scoring on. I know this isn't a big deal, but it's irritating to be constantly reminded that I really should be playing this on-line. I know, it's a serious nit-pick, but this sort of thing undermines my confidence about getting a proper single player game.
2) Music is quite good, but the combination of bored voice acting and characters with helmets means I got through the opening cinematics without giving a shit about anyone in the game... or finding anything particularly cool. Just a bunch of soldiers quietly sitting around out-machoing each other without a trace of irony. I kind of get the feeling that I'm supposed to think it's amazingly cool because I'm seeing so many Spartans hanging out together, but that would require me to give a shit about the Halo Universe, which I don't. I'm reminded of the image of Superman holding Thor's hammer which set off a wave of nerdgasm in my friends, but I was just thinking "yeah, and..."
3) Combat... this really is at the core of my boredom with the original game. I'm not a big fan of games where lowest level cannon fodder baddies requires more than a couple of shots from the default weapon. These guys pretty much exist to mow down quickly with a minimum of thought, so I'm mentally cursing every time I shoot a short burst of fire into those annoying gibbering aliens, move on to the next one, only to realize they're still up. And that's pretty much the whole Halo experience for me, every enemy seems to take about 25% more effort to take down than I want them to, which makes the game feel like wading through molasses for me.
4) Combat Part Deux... the melee attacks. First time I played Halo I had no idea that the melee attack was so unbelievably over-powered. Seems like the game really encourages players to charge enemies, which is pretty much the complete opposite of my combat style. I prefer to hang back, utilize cover, and pick away at my enemies. Halo, like the original Unreal, kind of feels like I'm deathmatching in single player, which my brain kind of rejects for breaking all the rules of immersion.
5) The Fucking Vehicles... this one, I really hope I'm just over-looking a menu option, because this is bar none the most game killing element I've encountered in a game in recent memory. Left stick to accelerate and brake, right stick to steer. It's like being told to pat my head and rub my belly, then rub my head and pat my belly. I'm cool as long as I'm going in one direction, but the second I have to go in reverse all coordination goes out the window, the vehicle flips over, then I have to wait far too long for my idiot squad-mates to get back on the fucking car.
6) Time to hop on a chopper (again) and watch the scenery slowly go by (again). First rule of being stuck inside of a moving vehicle is that cool shit is supposed to be going on around you. Even the most boringest tram ride in history (Half-Life) had plenty of little moments going on in the background. In Halo, it's "hey, look, I can see another dozen funny looking windmills".
7) In the second mission, there's this bit where my squad-mate finds this girl refusing to speak American, before a cinematic hits. About a quarter of the way through this, the game had pretty much crossed the invisible line of how much cinematic I'm willing to go through about something that's not in the least bit interesting. Okay, bad guys are loose in the base, I need to go kill them... okay, guys, any moment now... can I have control of my character back now... ummm, any time now... okay, now I'm watching someone close a door... fuck it, as soon as I get control back, I'm saving and quitting the game.
Let's stress I'm not saying Halo is a bad game. All of this is done with a certain amount of skill, but it's so strange how this game manages to dance through a mine-field of things I find interesting and completely fails to step on anything. I can't think of another first-person shooter that had me so disinterested after the first couple of missions.
Halo was alright, the most fun I had with it was because I could play through it with a friend.
I hate halo because of the player base. Because of these 14 year old losers I'm not able to play any decent objective game. It's all slayer all the time due to them not wanting to have to work as a team.
And no, going to team objective is not an option, there are usually not even 1000 people in that play list.
And no, going to team objective is not an option, there are usually not even 1000 people in that play list.