Why is bullying still an issue?

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Rasmus Emilsson

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Because we are animals, fact.

And what the hell is wrong with America and I assume Great Britain, the schools don't seem to care about stoping bullying or are afraid of doing anything, wtf?

I was a bully for a year, this came as a shock to me and everyone else, because i've always been the most gentle of all people, never hurt anyone and I felt bad about eating the last of MY candy, in case my sister or brother wanted. I was manipulated into bullying, by a psychopathic girlfriend when I were 13 years old (and really, she was psychopathic and schizofrenic). This resulted in that the school and all the parents got involved, and at last my victim and my torment were over (and i broke up with that ***** my texting her like a boss)

See, you can solve shit without shanking eachother.

I still feel bad for her and, wish I had never done anything against her.
 

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Because bullies are evil wankers that will turn your friends against you and indoctrinate everybody to see you the same way they do. Weak and stupid. And they know exactly how to get at you without it being obvious to adults around what they are doing. And if you tell on them, they turn that against you too...

The only way it could be stopped would be if school systems, police, etc were infinitely better and all bullied kids were confident enough to actually report stuff.
 

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Being bullied myself it takes alot to Stand up for yourself, some people say turn around and smack 'em back that's all well and good saying that but when theres more of them than there is of you, hitting them really isn't the option, i was lucky mine was only verbal, i've seen physical it isn't pretty, some of you are saying if schools,police etc were better? if they were better there would be no crime at all, life doesn't work that way and it's sad.

As i said i was bullied it wasn't pretty although the majority was verbal it still hurt it still cut deep, Untill i turned around and put someone in hospital it didn't stop, I don't know why they did it? because i was different, i dont know and now i don't care. I'm passed it, i'm out of school and beyond them all, the problem is there are people out there who even are still suffering If you actually know someone is being bullied speak to them help them, its all well an good saying teachers should be on the look out, but when they have 20-30 kids to look after some with different needs they can't do it, You see a kid being bullied, you may not even know him/her stick up for them and they in turn will never forget it.
 

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Personnaly i Got bullied a lot by a group and noticed that nobody ever lifted a finger to help me.
The teachers didn't react when they see it happen and when i told them what happened two things could happen.either they would tell me to suck it up and ignore them untill they go away or they would get the bullies(Only a few teachers did this) and make them say "sorry".
Then they can run along doing whatever they liked.
Being bullied also did not help my social skills as i now feel irrational hate for most people around 16 years of age.Having Autism also didn't really help.
The most retarded example was when a bullie who has tormented me for three months got aggressive when i made an insult to him.The general reaction to most people when he assaulted me from behind and punched me in the back of the head three times was getting me out of there and putting me inside a room.
making me stay in there for an hour while he gets away scott-free with a smug look on his little midget face.

In the end the only way i got bullies to stop is when waiting untill they go to another school.


Also all you idiots claiming that people that allow themselves to be bullied are weak have never been bullied or are most likely bullies themselves.
Bullieng has some really nasty effects on a mind,especially if that mind belongs to a kid,To the point that suicide just seems like the best option to them.
So please stop embarrasing the human race and don't call them weak.
You twats.
 

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I was bullied for most of my time at primary school by this one kid. It started out as insults, moved on to small thefts, then tripping and pushing me, through to actually beating me up. I was always the tallest kid in my year, and when I tried telling the teachers they all assumed I was the aggressor and I got punished. Trying to ignore it never worked, telling the teachers didn't work and telling my parents (who would then go to the headmaster woth the issue) didn't work.

So one day during the afternoon break, I saw him running at me and I knew exactly what was coming, on the spur of the moment (being throughly fucked off with the past five years events) I punched him, as hard as I could. He ran away crying and never so much as said a word to me from that point on. The point I'm trying to make is that the only thing that had ever worked was violence, it's all they seem to care about. The problem is tha most victims of bullying are smaller and weaker than their aggressors. I had the luxury of punching back, most do not.

The experience helped me a lot in secondary school, if you respond aggressively then they will not think you're worth the effort as a target. But there was one incident in secondary school when I was fifteen, this neanderthal who was bigger than me had obviously got it into his head that I'd be a fun target, when he came at me I punched back, he grabbed me by the throat, spun me round, threw me to the ground and kicked me in the back of the head when I was on the ground. No one at school gave a shit, they claimed we were both equally at fault. When my parents heard about it they got the police involved. The school quickly changed their tune.

When your formative years are spent being tormented by idiots, and those in a position of power, the people who are supposed to protect you, obviously don't care it really fucks with your head. Just because bullying is part of human nature does not mean we should just accept it, it should be fought at every opportunity because it is just not okay.

The only ways I've ever known to stop bullying are to punch back, to not be a passive target, which is a luxury most do not have, or to make the issue big enough to make the people who should be doing something actually do something.
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
See, this is also a problem. Instead of encouraging positive social interactions we advise kids to just hit back and by doing so we're perpetuating the idea that violence is "OK". We shouldn't be encouraging kids to "fight back" since more often than not both parties involved are victims in one way or another. We should try and solve the "disagreement" amicably and if not possible attempt to separate the students.
Who advises kids to fight back? Their friends and family, I'd imagine. In school, the teachers and assistants usually gave me fantastic pearls of wisdom like "Just ignore them" or "Try to stay away from them". Yeah, that really solved all my problems.

I'm not advocating teaching children to punch their classmates in the face over trivial matters, or even as the first reaction in a serious matter. If a child is unhappy with the way they're being treated, they should make it known - ideally verbally, but self-defense shouldn't be completely outlawed. In fact, in some situations, violence IS ok. If you found some jackass trying to break into your car, would you sit them down and try to reach a reasonable compromise? Of course not, you'd protect your own interests with the threat, or application, of violence.

I'm sorry but I've yet to see something like that actually happen. When bullying happened, bullying happened. There was no conflict of interests or just "hormones", it was straight out bullying. Even if it's just a misunderstanding teachers should still intervene as those "disagreements" will often lead to a more serious altercation between the people involved.
..and yet a paragraph ago you were saying there are always two sides to every story? I'm confused as to what point you're making here.

What exactly is it you expect teachers to do, monitor every conversation or social interation that happens in school and immediately leap in the instant somebody's feelings are at risk of being hurt?
 

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Batou667 said:
Who advises kids to fight back? Their friends and family, I'd imagine. In school, the teachers and assistants usually gave me fantastic pearls of wisdom like "Just ignore them" or "Try to stay away from them". Yeah, that really solved all my problems.
Fighting won't necessarily solve the problem. The bully might come back for another round and possibly bring a few friends along. Fights are also dangerous and kids are horrible at estimating their own strengths. One of them might get seriously injured. In general school for example, two of my classmates started fighting and one of them had a knife. Thankfully nothing happened but what if it had? If children fights back both physically and verbally it could potentially put them in harms way. Ideally, teachers should deal with bullying before it escalates but unfortunately that never happens.


Batou667 said:
If a child is unhappy with the way they're being treated, they should make it known - ideally verbally, but self-defense shouldn't be completely outlawed. In fact, in some situations, violence IS ok. If you found some jackass trying to break into your car, would you sit them down and try to reach a reasonable compromise? Of course not, you'd protect your own interests with the threat, or application, of violence.
It really depends on the situation but fighting should be avoided at all costs, especially giving the fact that we're talking about children/teenagers here. The idea would be to prevent fights all together by getting teachers or parents to intervene before everything escalates beyond their control. Like I've said before, fighting won't necessarily solve the problem. Quite the contrary actually.


Batou667 said:
..and yet a paragraph ago you were saying there are always two sides to every story? I'm confused as to what point you're making here.
I was specifically referring to verbal and physical bullying. What I was trying to say in my previous comment was that bullies often have mental or emotional problems that led them to start harassing other students. People aren't born bullies you know.



Batou667 said:
What exactly is it you expect teachers to do, monitor every conversation or social interation that happens in school and immediately leap in the instant somebody's feelings are at risk of being hurt?
Except that's not bullying. Students cracking jokes at each other? No problem. A student continually harassing his colleagues/colleague both physically and verbally? That's bullying. It's not exactly hard to identify a victim of bullying, especially nowadays with video cameras present in almost every hallway. In case teachers can't do so then they should hire a person that can, like a psychologist. You can't just let these cases slide under the rug and hope everything turns out OK.
 

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Carbonyl said:
spartan231490 said:
Carbonyl said:
spartan231490 said:
Carbonyl said:
spartan231490 said:
The system always listens, the trick is knowing how to make it hear.
The system listens to power, and I had none of that.
You don't need power, you can borrow theirs. If you throw their own fears back in their face, they will believe it. It can't be helped, being afraid of something is admitting that it's possible. That's just one small way to do what we are talking about. there are many others.

How capable is a six year old of doing that to a school administrator? That was when I was pushed down. I was six and I was scared and I wanted help and I asked for it from my teacher, the next day the principal pulled me out of class, she told me that I needed to not tell, that I would be punished if I told anyone, that if I was quiet it wouldn't get worse, that it wasn't real anyway and no one would believe me. How the hell was I supposed to stand up to that, to find her fear, at the age of six I was shy and scared and friendless. I stood no chance and held no sway. I had no arsenal, and crying was frowned upon by the school.

You're outlook might work if the bullying starts in middle or high school, or if you actually have a friend or two, but when you're a little kid and grownups rule your existence, your advice is worthless.
It's not advice. I was merely clarifying that it can be done, and it doesn't necessarily have to do with intelligence in the normal sense of the word.

My advice would have been punch the kids in the face, cuz it's a lot easier and a lot more likely to work.

Doesn't really work in your example obviously, but you were a unique case. My advice to you would have go to your parents about the principle, but whatever.


I am not a unique case, kids are powerless, and grownups are scary. My parents had no idea what to do (though they tried as hard as they could), and I wouldn't tell anyone the extent of what happened because I was afraid.

Eventually, it did come down to punching the kids, though I tended to aim for the balls before going for the face. But as I said before, I wasn't fighting for me, I had no concept of being something worth fighting for, I was fighting for my brother, and through that learned to fight for myself. But I never would have fought for myself, the true damage is how the bullying teaches you to give up, that you have no options, that you're alone and it's enough to destroy any chance at psychological and emotional health well past the end of the active bullying. I know I'm still feeling it, and it's painful every waking second of the day, and it's what I have nightmares about. And I was one of the lucky ones. A lot of people end up worse, broken, violent, non-functional, deeply depressed. I'm relatively happy, and have finally gained social skills and some confidence.

I'm only unique in that I managed to finally escape it, and do so through my own agency.
I meant unique in that the adults actually did direct harm to you. I've never heard of something like that, usually they are useless, but not actively damaging(in my experience)

I escaped it through my own agency. Bullying taught me to fight back, and it taught me how to not give up, even when it was tough. In my experience, most kids tend to grow from the experience of being bullied, learning how to survive. I would actually say that I had more or less no lasting harmful impacts from it, except for my bad posture.

I said it in one of my posts on here, but bullying made me a hell of a lot stronger than I would have been otherwise, and I suffered no ill-effects. And honestly, just to give you a sense of scale, I would say that I was bullied worse than you by my classmates(from what you've said, you didn't give many details but I got the impression you weren't physically accosted much), although the administration was on my side(even though they were fucking worthless).

I won't bore you with details. Suffice to say that there wasn't a moment when I wasn't experiencing some kind of emotional attack, and 3 beatings a week was low enough that I counted it a blessing.

Understand, I would imagine that your situation was worse because of the complete lack of support, I'm just trying to give a sense of scale to what I meant when I say I was bullied. It lasted for 5-6 years, then I started fighting back physically, instead of emotionally.
 

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MorphingDragon said:
spartan231490 said:
Carbonyl said:
spartan231490 said:
Carbonyl said:
spartan231490 said:
The system always listens, the trick is knowing how to make it hear.
The system listens to power, and I had none of that.
You don't need power, you can borrow theirs. If you throw their own fears back in their face, they will believe it. It can't be helped, being afraid of something is admitting that it's possible. That's just one small way to do what we are talking about. there are many others.

How capable is a six year old of doing that to a school administrator? That was when I was pushed down. I was six and I was scared and I wanted help and I asked for it from my teacher, the next day the principal pulled me out of class, she told me that I needed to not tell, that I would be punished if I told anyone, that if I was quiet it wouldn't get worse, that it wasn't real anyway and no one would believe me. How the hell was I supposed to stand up to that, to find her fear, at the age of six I was shy and scared and friendless. I stood no chance and held no sway. I had no arsenal, and crying was frowned upon by the school.

You're outlook might work if the bullying starts in middle or high school, or if you actually have a friend or two, but when you're a little kid and grownups rule your existence, your advice is worthless.
It's not advice. I was merely clarifying that it can be done, and it doesn't necessarily have to do with intelligence in the normal sense of the word.

My advice would have been punch the kids in the face, cuz it's a lot easier and a lot more likely to work.

Doesn't really work in your example obviously, but you were a unique case. My advice to you would have go to your parents about the principle, but whatever.
Unique case? Really. Plenty of kids feel helpless because they're just that, Kids. This effect extends much farther than the School grounds.
I was referring to the total lack of so much as an attempt to stop the bullying from the administration. I've never heard of anything like that before. Usually they try, they fail due to restrictions on their authority, but at least they try. She explained it almost as if the administrating officials were bigger bullies than her classmates, and I would call that unique.

Not the feelings of helplessness, that's life. When you live on a planet inhabited by over 7 billion people, in many ways you should feel helpless.
 

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spartan231490 said:
Carbonyl said:
spartan231490 said:
Carbonyl said:
spartan231490 said:
Carbonyl said:
spartan231490 said:
The system always listens, the trick is knowing how to make it hear.
The system listens to power, and I had none of that.
You don't need power, you can borrow theirs. If you throw their own fears back in their face, they will believe it. It can't be helped, being afraid of something is admitting that it's possible. That's just one small way to do what we are talking about. there are many others.

How capable is a six year old of doing that to a school administrator? That was when I was pushed down. I was six and I was scared and I wanted help and I asked for it from my teacher, the next day the principal pulled me out of class, she told me that I needed to not tell, that I would be punished if I told anyone, that if I was quiet it wouldn't get worse, that it wasn't real anyway and no one would believe me. How the hell was I supposed to stand up to that, to find her fear, at the age of six I was shy and scared and friendless. I stood no chance and held no sway. I had no arsenal, and crying was frowned upon by the school.

You're outlook might work if the bullying starts in middle or high school, or if you actually have a friend or two, but when you're a little kid and grownups rule your existence, your advice is worthless.




It's not advice. I was merely clarifying that it can be done, and it doesn't necessarily have to do with intelligence in the normal sense of the word.

My advice would have been punch the kids in the face, cuz it's a lot easier and a lot more likely to work.

Doesn't really work in your example obviously, but you were a unique case. My advice to you would have go to your parents about the principle, but whatever.


I am not a unique case, kids are powerless, and grownups are scary. My parents had no idea what to do (though they tried as hard as they could), and I wouldn't tell anyone the extent of what happened because I was afraid.

Eventually, it did come down to punching the kids, though I tended to aim for the balls before going for the face. But as I said before, I wasn't fighting for me, I had no concept of being something worth fighting for, I was fighting for my brother, and through that learned to fight for myself. But I never would have fought for myself, the true damage is how the bullying teaches you to give up, that you have no options, that you're alone and it's enough to destroy any chance at psychological and emotional health well past the end of the active bullying. I know I'm still feeling it, and it's painful every waking second of the day, and it's what I have nightmares about. And I was one of the lucky ones. A lot of people end up worse, broken, violent, non-functional, deeply depressed. I'm relatively happy, and have finally gained social skills and some confidence.

I'm only unique in that I managed to finally escape it, and do so through my own agency.
I meant unique in that the adults actually did direct harm to you. I've never heard of something like that, usually they are useless, but not actively damaging(in my experience)

I escaped it through my own agency. Bullying taught me to fight back, and it taught me how to not give up, even when it was tough. In my experience, most kids tend to grow from the experience of being bullied, learning how to survive. I would actually say that I had more or less no lasting harmful impacts from it, except for my bad posture.

I said it in one of my posts on here, but bullying made me a hell of a lot stronger than I would have been otherwise, and I suffered no ill-effects. And honestly, just to give you a sense of scale, I would say that I was bullied worse than you by my classmates(from what you've said, you didn't give many details but I got the impression you weren't physically accosted much), although the administration was on my side(even though they were fucking worthless).

I won't bore you with details. Suffice to say that there wasn't a moment when I wasn't experiencing some kind of emotional attack, and 3 beatings a week was low enough that I counted it a blessing.

Understand, I would imagine that your situation was worse because of the complete lack of support, I'm just trying to give a sense of scale to what I meant when I say I was bullied. It lasted for 5-6 years, then I started fighting back physically, instead of emotionally.

I've witnessed a lot of bullying that was not only condoned by adults and authority figures, but also joined in on. And it's not just me, I know a lot more people it's happened to, I watched it destroy them, I watched it ruin peoples lives, I have lived it and I have screamed fruitlessly in the face of the injustice. I know it happens, I've seen it happen all around me, I've talked with others who had it happen. It happens so much more often than anyone knows or wants to believe. It should be anomalous but it's not.

I've seen bullying destroy so much, I've lost my childhood to it, and I've fought helplessly as it took away people I loved.

I had two brothers, and now I have one. Some stupid group of kids started stalking and harassing my older younger brother at school in 7th grade, the school wouldn't help, and the kids wouldn't stop. He transferred to a new school, they followed him and defaced his locker. We called the police when they started stalking the rest of my family, taking pictures of us and putting them on playing cards, even my grandfather they did this to. They came to our house and stood outside in large groups, pacing in front of our lawn. They called the house every hour of the day and night and no one would help and the school gave my brother detentions for fighting back. He was strong enough to punch holes in walls by shaking his fist at them from ten feet away and he was still defenseless, nothing deterred these kids and fighting fucked him over. He tried to jump off the roof at 12, he got addicted to cocaine at 14, he tried every method of escape possible. The police followed him constantly and gave him trouble when he wasn't causing any. They cuffed him for jay-walking. His life was hell and I couldn't do anything. Complaints were met with institutional punishment, and silence was rewarded with leers. He was dead at 17 because he overdosed on NO2 after a really bad day. We had to work to make sure none of them came to the funeral, because they kept calling with nothing but giggles. They never stopped stalking him. Their actions will never stop hurting us.

The little sister of a friend of mine was the target of a large group of bullies, they beat her up, they threatened her, they disrupted her classes and they stole her things. When she told the school, they told her she was a trouble-maker, they told the bullies that she complained, they didn't stop fights that happened in the damn lunchroom. Her mother came in to talk to the school, and they refused to help and scolded her mother for causing a fuss. The bullies decided to follow her newlywed and pregnant older sister home, they hid under her car and shouted threats and she couldn't leave the house to get to her doctor's appointment, the police refused to investigate. My friend decided to walk her sister home from school for safety, and they got jumped by a group of six girls. A neighbor called the police, my friend and her sister were arrested and charged with inciting a mob. My friend nearly lost her job because of the charges and my mother spent three months defending her in court.

I have a friend whose teacher locked her in a closet with a textbook because she couldn't deal with the number of disruptions bullies made in class just to mess with her.

I was stabbed by a teacher, threatened by my principal, and ceaselessly harassed by my classmates. I had panic attacks every day for a year at the age of 8, I was suicidal at the age of 7. Don't tell me I didn't have it that bad, I was terrified for every minute of the day for five years and I didn't have the emotional luxury of knowing I could fight back. You had it bad, and I had it bad. This is not a contest, these experiences are not a badge of honor, I am not proud of my battle scars. These are horror stories.

I am strong and happy and enduring and full of love, I am a mature adult who makes good choices and resolves problems by communicating with others. I am brave, and I am brilliant, but I will never be rid of the pain, the loss, or the fear. Deep in the foundations of my psyche lies a dread so ingrained that it is a daily struggle not to let it dictate my actions.

I've spoken with people who have similar stories, I've spoken with people who won't believe a word of what happened to me and others. But the worst to talk to are the ones who say that it isn't that hard to overcome, that we weren't strong enough and we should have just fought back and it would have solved itself. You can fight back all you want but sometimes it just doesn't do any good.

Please don't tell me that bullying will make someone stronger, that it builds character, and don't imply that if anyone tries hard enough they'll have no ill effects. I'm glad you've moved on and managed to come out of your situation healthy, undamaged, and strengthened, but not all of us can.
 

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Orks da best said:
not every bully is so simply minded or easy to chase off, some come again and again, and do major psyciloical damage to a person, plus being at a young age, most brains aren't fully developed, so the kid in question won't be as strong willed as an adult, though kids have shown themsevles rather clever at times.
Just a tip, but if you're going to be taken seriously when psychoanalyzing someone, spell "psychological" correctly.

OT: Bullying is part of human nature. It's not going to stop now or ever. The only thing you can do is encourage those being bullied to stand up for themselves. Bullying is wrong, in all forms, but the only people who can combat it are the victims. If you're unwilling to stand up for yourself, you cannot and should not expect anyone else to do it for you. Fight against them, make some noise about it, and you will be able to get away from it.
 

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Wandering_Hero said:
Some of the "toughen up and deal with it" posts have a point, but the main thing to do is learn to play the social game....
To be fair, "Deal with it" really is the only way to resolve bullying issues. Now, I don't mean "stand there and take it", because really that's just letting them walk all over you and doesn't accomplish anything. What I mean by that is that one needs to show bullies that there are consequences for their actions. Make the consequences severe enough and they'll learn, Pavlov showed that much.
 

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Schools are more or less useless these days. parents will coddle their kids, even if they were the source of the problems after all, and cry LAWSUIT if the school officials try to do anything about anything. Maybe the teachers really didn't see who started what and couldn't say for sure who the real bully was once fists and feet fly. Maybe they've been punished already for trying to get involved and don't want to lose even their crappy job for getting involved any more. Maybe the school is run by people who are just that stupid and blind to what goes on under their noses. Who knows?

Parents could do a lot to help reduce bullying by teaching their kids not to be assholes from an early age, but there are problems with that too. Some parents are ignorant (by choosing to not check facts, by taking their child's word that things happened their way, or by ignoring when facts are brought to them). Some parents would fit into the WEAK category because the kid is just as aggressive towards their own family and completely miss the point if/when they get punished. Or even worse, the child is behaving in a watered down version of their parents who would react with pride to hear how many people started crying that day.

Bullying has been around since creatures started moving in packs and having opposable thumbs or technology hasn't changed that basic fact. The leaders turn out to be the ones who learned how to get others to do what they want either through charm, fear, or trickery. Childhood and adolescence is when a lot of people learn how they can best get their way with others, but a lack of supervision means there's a lot of space for things to go wrong and people to be damaged permanently even on accident.

This is starting to get long, so I'll end it there with a TL : DR

- Schools have been hobbled by parents who don't want their kids being punished by anyone.

- Some parents are either ignorant, victims, or enablers of bad behavior.

- Bullying has been around for a long time and will stay around for a long time.
 

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more fists if the teachers don,t care either leave school or take matters into your own hands.
 

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Allow me to introduce myself. I'm a friend of Carbonyl. I didn't know her in elementary school, and only met her in her last two years of high school. She told me about this thread. I have read her posts and several of yours, and I thought I'd share my own experiences as well.

I grew up in a small farming community in upstate New York. My graduating class had 37 students in it. Of those 37, about half at one time or another actively bullied me. And that's not counting the bullies who moved away or left the class for other reasons (more on that in a moment).

I'm not going to trumpet my own horn when I say that I'm intelligent. I don't have a genius level IQ like Carbonyl has, at least not when I was tested, but I consistently scored at the top of my class, and I graduated as co-valedictorian. I had the highest academic average in the high school for three years, excepting senior year, when the other co-valedictorian got an average three hundredths of a point higher than mine, partially because she took heavier weighted classes than I did (our school essentially bumped up averages for students in "more challenging" classes; she could afford to take "college" classes, I couldn't).

The point to this description is that my intelligence and my inability to hide it-actually, my inability to stop my mind from dominating my personality- made me an incredibly big target. From the first year I attended, I was not left alone. Switching schools in second grade didn't help- in fact, at the private Catholic school I attended for that one grade things were worse. I remember physically fighting back in second, seventh, eighth, and ninth/tenth grades. I remember trying to fight back verbally. Twice I was suspended. The other times I wasn't caught. None of my fights lasted very long, and they were very infrequent, and this was because I was more terrified of my parents and the school system to do much fighting.

Let me elaborate:

My parents are control freaks. They knew I was smart and they were obsessed with getting me through school with as spotless a record as possible. It didn't matter what got me in trouble at school-whatever I faced at home was infinitely worse. My parents made it very clear that I had to be an angel or my disciplinary record could cripple me later on. More importantly, the nights following an incident at school were hellishly miserable. In retrospect, I'm happy that I kept from incurring my parents' wrath as much as I did, because I learned post high school what would happen if I dared cause more than the very rare bit of trouble for them.

Also important was the fact that since this was a small school, the community was very tight knit. Everyone knew each other, and new faces were pretty rare. Some families had been going to the school for generations, and a couple of the students in my class were children of teachers or staff at the school. My family was one of the few that wasn't "from around here." Needless to say, nepotism reigned. Academically, it was troubling because for a while we had a superintendent whose daughter was in my class. Another girl was the daughter of the treasurer. One of the boys was the son of a School Board member. In seventh grade a faculty member told my father that in no uncertain terms would I ever be valedictorian. This was because they were grooming the superintendent's and treasurer's daughters to take valedictorian and salutatorian. Things got better in this department when that supe left and a new one came in who changed many of the policies at the school, made them more transparent, etc. But academics was still a war zone. By senior year I knew teachers who were clearly entrenched on my side, clearly entrenched in hers, and a few who were in between. I personally only cared about the title because I wanted to please my parents, but it annoyed the hell out of me that there was active fighting going on to prevent me from gaining what I knew I had earned-just because I wasn't the pretty, popular, snobby girl whose mom handled the school's paychecks.

What was the point of all that? To demonstrate that the school was corrupt to its core. If reports I've heard from underclassmen I'd befriended are accurate, it's gotten even worse since I left.

Now, to the meat of my story:

Starting off, I had two main enemies. They'll be known as J and J here. J and J were best friends, both athletic, popular kids who everyone seemed to like. And they hated the FUCK out of me. Nothing I ever said made a difference; none of the (minimal) intervention by school officials helped. They never stopped. Never. Physical confrontations were rare, but I was a sensitive kid and they knew it. And boy, did they use it to their advantage.

Know what eventually stopped them? They didn't grow up, I didn't beat them up. They were riding a 4 wheeler without a helmet when they got smacked into by a minivan. Both of them almost died. It was a couple of years before I saw them again. One of them fared okay eventually; he still walked with a limp, and was still an asshole when I saw him. The other was permanently brain damaged, with his limbs twisted in odd ways. I still can't say I'm sorry it happened to them. As much hell as they put me through, from the first grade through the sixth, I just can't give a fuck. Especially since they didn't learn from karma.

It ended up that the rest of the class decided they'd make up for the absence of their two idols. The demographics were different, but the treatment was the same. The popular, more intelligent kids dumped on me as much as the borderline retards who were only in school because the law mandated they needed to be. The latter were the ones who would get physical from time to time. I remember one kid, Z, a known troublemaker who liked me sometimes and hated my guts at other times. One of the latter times, I can't remember why, he stood up and knocked me across the face so hard that my glasses flew across the room. Oh, the glasses. I couldn't get the glasses fucked up because they cost my parents 300 bucks. Whenever a fight reached my face, it ended, I backed off, because I knew what hell I'd catch for costing my parents 300 bucks. This happened another time, when another on again, off again bully decided that punching me repeatedly in the shoulder on the bus ride home was funny. I finally snapped, got on top of him and wailed on him back until he got his fist up and punched me in the glasses. I jumped off, rebent my glasses back in place, and took whatever else he said/did the rest of the ride home. I couldn't get those glasses broken.

I wasn't the only one who was bullied in that school, though I was the one most targeted. Don't say it's because I'm weak. If my parents hadn't cared so much about what I did at school, I would've been in a fight every week. I have a hot temper and a fighter's instinct. I find it very difficult NOT to stand up to people who are creating problems. The fact that I WAS so easily riled, coupled with my "weirdness" and the short leash I was on with my parents made me the perfect target. My tormenters could see the effect they had on me, and they could get away consequence free. I began to daydream about a time that I'd come back after school was over and have my cold revenge on the jerks, Count of Monte Cristo style. I wanted to ruin their lives for ruining mine.

In addition to my main tormenters, I had some second stringers, kids who were nice to me one on one, but who would laugh at or join in the bullshit when others started it. One kid in particular was incredibly good at this. He was hideous, fat, not really intelligent, and nerdy, but because he joined in on making fun of me, he was left alone- and he took full advantage of this fact.

I even had teachers join in on the fun. After I made a stupid move and ended up in a creek on a field trip, my sixth grade teacher made my folly into an in class demonstration, knowing beforehand that I had been crying as a result of the incident and its aftermath. The incident remained something the bullies would bring up the rest of the time I was in school with them.

New classmates were generally no help either. They were few and far between, and the other kids generally got to talk to them first, and would convince them that I was a dork, not to be friends with. It happened many times. Fortunately, sometimes they would see through the bullshit and be okay with me.

Fortunately, I had a few friends who kind of formed a posse around me eventually. We were the leper colony of the class, the unwanted, the unpopular rejects. Among the guys, I was kind of the unofficial leader because I was the most outspoken and the mutual friend of the group. I was the guy that the other guys knew, and I made sure to introduce my friends to each other. There weren't many of us, but we kept each others' spirits up through middle and high school.

Other help came when three of my very nerdy friends grew into very cool teenagers. They formed a rock band, did sports, all sorts of things. And they liked me, and I liked them. And unlike other kids, they didn't shy away from being friendly to me in front of the assholes. I ended up gaining more social acceptance that way as we all grew older.

I also learned how to harden myself, how to ignore the shit flying at me, and not let others see how much they pissed me off. I began to get better at comebacks as I learned more about the people I was dealing with. My wit became sharper, and I eventually learned how to blend in some without also trying to fit in. I also shed some of the neurosis programmed into me by my parents and loosened up. My classmates also eventually matured and learned that I wasn't the horrible slimy thing they must've thought I was.

But this was all way, way down the road. I'm talking about the last couple of years of high school here. Beforehand? None of this "fight back" bullshit would have helped. I was a very bright, very earnest kid who wanted to love everyone and get along. I had no desire to hurt anyone else who wasn't already hurting me, and even then, I had a hard time even thinking about inflicting pain. To this day I can't even kill a spider. I'm more likely to put it on a piece of paper and shoo it outside than anything. Or just leave it alone.

All of you people who are calling these kids "weak," you're measuring strength by the ability to withstand or inflict pain. This is a horrible standard to hold our children to. The pain SHOULDN'T HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. And NO child who's learning how to survive should be expected to have to withstand others trying to beat him or her down. You might be right to say that some of those who commit suicide may have issues unrelated to the bullying itself, but that doesn't mean that the bullying isn't a factor. You're blaming the victim in the worst way, the same way a rape victim is blamed for being in the wrong place or dressing the wrong way.

All of our experiences are different, but what we need to start doing is teaching all of our children from the moment they can understand us that inflicting pain or hardship on others is WRONG. That self defense is the only reason to raise your wit or fists against another person. That to accept others and treat them with the respect we wish for ourselves is the only way to get along peacefully in this world.

If you want bullying to end, you need to cut it off at the source by doing this, and also by leading by example. Don't bully your children. Nurture them, show them love. Don't spank them. Don't scream at them. Reward them for good behavior, teach them that being a good person has better consequences than being a bad person.

Bullies aren't cartoon villains. They're extremely damaged themselves or responding to societal pressure. Their actions do not happen in a vacuum. And they can be stopped.

I survived, but I was lucky. And it would be the height of ignorance to tell people that the way I survived was the right way.

You shouldn't even have to develop methods to survive bullying. Never.

And once I'm through school and teaching classes of my own, I will crusade against any bullying I see. The fighter instinct never died in me. And I'll use it to help those not filled with as much spirit and rage as I was to survive. They have every right to live peacefully as the bullies who would see them driven off.
 

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When my sister was just a little kid, she had herself a bully problem. Every day she used to wear skirts to school, and every day, some jackass kid that lived down the street from us would push her down and scrape up her knees. This happened for all of a year (I do realize it isn't as bad as some of the stories posted thus far, but in 1971, that's about as bad as bullies were). The first day of school the next year, this jackass kid pushed her down, and she got her knees all kinds of scraped up (road debris in these) and my father found out. My father was a Nassau County cop. He simply told her (here's the twist) "do you know how to make a fist?" When she said no, he showed her how it was done. He then told her "the next time it happens, get up, dust yourself off, and punch him in the face."

Next day, she walked to school, he pushed her down, she punched him dead in the face (broke his nose and his left cheekbone) and continued on her day.

To this day, if he sees her walk down the street, he will cross to the other side to avoid her. As for me, I had to do the same to someone else, with some more dire results.

When I defended myself (in 1984, in another part of the state) I was pulled aside by a teacher, sent to the office for reprimand, and swiftly smacked across the face. Turns out the bully was related to the vice principal of the high school I was attending. By now, I had gotten rather adept at defending myself, and he got himself a broken nose, bloody lip, and a broken arm. I was not arrested, as the office personnel decided to report the incident to the police. It was self-defense.

From that point on, anyone whose 'geek-stripes' were showing that was getting bothered, they came to me. I never lifted another finger after the office incident, but the bullying in my school came to an abrupt halt during the 4 years I was there. Maybe I was the bully in the end, but I never actually started any trouble myself. Trouble just seems to find me most times.

To those that are being bullied, damn the consequences. Teachers don't help, parents most often suck, or say 'it builds character'. You have 2 choices. Take it or defend yourself regardless. If you should choose to defend yourself, you must make damned sure that it never goes any further.

To Carbonyl. It is a damned shame that no one was around to listen to, or believe you. Schools just shouldn't be like that, and in upstate NY, for the most part, they aren't. If your parents knew it was so bad, I wonder why they didn't just move you out of the area. Like... waaay out of the area. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing your parents. They had a tough job, most parents do. Would it have been possible to get you away from that school? Probably not. Jobs and such. Damned shame.

Finally, to anyone that might be a bully. Beware. One day, you may find yourself facing someone like me, or worse. A .45 in your face. Neither is pleasant, but I must admit, the .45 is far more frightening, and far more deadly than I.

The TL;DR version. I defended myself twice when I was a kid. It was bad. Why does bullying still exist? Mainly because the stronger people will always need a victim, and they'll always find one in the weaker people. That too, is a damned shame.
 

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Some people where not hugged enough as a small child.

It's really sad people bully, feel the need to bully to the point it becomes physical and/or mental torture.

I don't think it'll ever completely stop, it's just want some people *do* it's like they're born to be Grade A cunts. The only way it can be stopped to you or someone id either fighting back or schools, police etc. actually getting involved and sorting the shit out. But it will never just disappear for everyone, sadly.

When I was in school (5+ years ago) bullying in my year when I was in comp (so for 5 years) only happened literally about 2/3 times, and then it was just a random fight that soon ended and never happened again.
I was never bullied and never did bully, we all did the whole banter jokey crap stuff, but no one in my years really hated each other. I was very lucky.