..from some ways away, I couldn't care less. Had extremely gay study-mates who weren't.. very beautiful.. still, no worries. I know a couple of lesbians who tend to think they're hot (but aren't). That's.. almost worse.
But when you get down to business, it's like this: women have soft, sensitive bits all over that feel nice to touch. They smell good, even after a week in the forest. I don't know how, but they do. Men don't.
And spare me the sanctimonious bullshit. It's not like we don't have an over-abundance of oversexed men in the media, and that we're running some sort of active promotion of womenly bits that condition people to think having sex only with women is "in". I mean, seriously. Stop being a victim of society, and just be yourself.
Males tend to be more aggressive than females due to a mixture of societal expectations and differences in neurological structures. Hormones don't seem to effect it.
Agreed with everything else you said! Just thought I'd point that little bit out - it's quite interesting and it is a commonly believed misconception!
True, but I think that sex hormones in the uterus and in early development affect the development of the brain, which would cause some of those neurological differences.
I don't know if being a lesbian is seen as hot is such a good thing... It also means that people who think that take it a lot less seriously. I know it's horrible to be persecuted for being a gay man, but not being believed when I say I'm a gay woman is sometimes just as bad. Some people just flatout refuse to believe it and throw the usual one-liners like:
"You've never been with a man so how can you know", "Ah you must've had bad experiences with men in your childhood", "Once your ovaries start tingling you're going to marry a guy to have children with", "You're just doing it for attention", and the ever classic "All girls are bisexual". Now I've learned not to take offense to this but it can still hurt. :/
I'm assuming you're sexually interested in women so I think you might be enjoying the hormones in their smell. I like the smell of sweaty women and men. I don't know if its a conditioned response that I associate that smell with arousal and sex or merely a biological response I'm just aware of. Men do tend to get rank quicker than women though (despite all of those delightful 'fish' jokes.). I've also heard that a reason people to smell nice when it seems like they shouldn't is the way that perfumes and other things that make you stink pretty seep in to pores and are then sweated out.
1."You've never been with a man so how can you know", 2."Ah you must've had bad experiences with men in your childhood", 3."Once your ovaries start tingling you're going to marry a guy to have children with", 4."You're just doing it for attention", and the ever classic 5."All girls are bisexual". Now I've learned not to take offense to this but it can still hurt. :/
Pat answers to stupid questions.
1. How do you know you aren't gay if you've never tried it? Are you sure you aren't hetero-curious?
2.You don't read psych. literature more recently than the 70's do you?
3. If my ovaries start to tingle I'm getting my ass to a doctor!
3b. My girl and I will just adopt or use a sperm bank.
4. Yes, I'm doing it for attention. Sexy attention from sexy lesbians!
4b. Yes I want the attention of maybe being fired from my job, denied basic civil rights or being assaulted.
5. Is your mom bi? -- No really try it! That one never fails to shut people the fuck up. Unless their mom is bi but then hopefully they aren't as stupid as this. Bisexuals are very common but no, not all women are bi. Just think that if you were bi you could be told you're a slut, closeted, a spreader of disease or you don't exist. Do you get "You're too pretty to be gay?" because your liking women has something to do with men. Might I ask how old you are? These questions don't seem like they'd be asked of anyone over 30. Except the ovaries one; that would seem more likely at that age.
. Do you get "You're too pretty to be gay?" because your liking women has something to do with men. Might I ask how old you are? These questions don't seem like they'd be asked of anyone over 30. Except the ovaries one; that would seem more likely at that age.
Yes I do get that question sometimes, often rephrased as "you look so straight". It annoys me because just because I wear my hear long and dress girly doesn't mean I can't be gay. :/
Actually, most of those phrases are usually said by the older generations who think life experience is everything. Most people my age (24) seem to understand better or are just less interested.
It's been said before, but a lot of guys seem to like seeing to girls making out or whatever because they (subconsciously at least) seem to think they could join in. Though saying that me and my girlfriend's friends still have a stupid grin on their face whenever they see us kiss, despite the fact they know they'd never get to join in, so maybe it's some kind of social conditioning over the years or something... I don't know enough about psychology to say.
Either way, I have no issues with two men kissing, personally doesn't do anything for me but I'm not going to freak out over it either.
I didn't, but I always asked girls if they like gay porn(under the assumption it's like lesbians for us), not one of them sofar confirmed it.
Then again they are girls and the truth seems to elude their lips quite often.
Everybody lies, and girls are not exempt from that rule.
This huge gay porn industry for women leads me to believe that my inquiries on the matter were not answered truthfully.
Maybe not, but if that's the case, why not say "they are people and the truth seems to blah blah blah" instead of making it a point of them being GIRLS being dishonest? Your implication that it's because they ARE girls? Not the classiest move, dude.
And this might be just a guess on my part, but maybe, just MAYBE, the gals in question didn't feel like answering such a personal question and felt it was none of your business what they enjoyed in their private time.
I didn't, but I always asked girls if they like gay porn(under the assumption it's like lesbians for us), not one of them sofar confirmed it.
Then again they are girls and the truth seems to elude their lips quite often.
Many women like male/male porn. Women just tend to prefer story based stuff while men are usually interested in the part where they get to the fucking. LOTS of lesbians like gay male porn and no one knows why. Yaoi is weird though because a lot of its fans are attracted by the sexuality without having to relate it to themselves (women). I'm pretty sure most yaoi is made by and for women. There's another genre that's made for and by men but I don't know the name.
Well I took some time to look up that Yaoi stuff, and I got a theory as to why lesbinas like it, probably because the average lesbian is quite a bit manlier then the average Yaoi guy.
With just a drop of imagination I could probably spank it to that myself.
Everybody lies, and girls are not exempt from that rule.
This huge gay porn industry for women leads me to believe that my inquiries on the matter were not answered truthfully.
Maybe not, but if that's the case, why not say "they are people and the truth seems to blah blah blah" instead of making it a point of them being GIRLS being dishonest? Your implication that it's because they ARE girls? Not the classiest move, dude.
And this might be just a guess on my part, but maybe, just MAYBE, the gals in question didn't feel like answering such a personal question and felt it was none of your business what they enjoyed in their private time.
Well if they were comfortable talking about sex one might assume that question is not too big of a stretch, but hey I could be wrong.
And if it was a delicate issue why not just say so... maybe it was that illusive truth again.
Ask a typical man to reveal his porn stash to you, then ask a typical female to do the same. Most of the time the man will not only have a larger stash, but in some cases will have a much wider variety of stuff. Just look around sometime at your local drug store at all the available porn and try to count how much gay/female magazines there are compared to the number of heterosexual male magazines.
It's less about holding women up on pedestals and more quoting decades of proven fact.
Mainly because males are more prone to pursuing their libido?
Seriously, look it up. Google anything you like about the subject. "Masturbation", "Libido," "Sex Drive", just add "Male versus Female" and most of the sites that come up say the same thing. Men masturbate more than women, both in number of times in a lifetime and in overall percentage. Men are also more prone to having "quick" sex, where there is little to no foreplay, whereas women greatly value foreplay.
Anecdotal data may say otherwise; maybe you see a lot of horny women trying to bang men, while the men are typically cupping their balls in fear of being raped. But history and scientific studies have shown that males typically have the "stronger" libido, so they are more prone to being "perverse" and actively pursue sex, possibly to a greater extent than females.
So why are you using history to qualify heightened libido as "perverse"?
Merriam-Webster:
per·verse/pərˈvərs/Adjective
1. (of a person or their actions) Showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave in a way that is unreasonable or unacceptable, often in spite of the consequences.
2. Contrary to the accepted or expected standard or practice.
Heteronormativity. Servicing mankind since before the internet.
If you're going to ignore history, then 90% of the arguments made here have to be omitted as well. History defines us just as much as anything else mentioned thus far, but it's one of the few things that we can ignore and try to defy. Historically, Heterosexuality is considered the "norm" while Homosexuality is considered "perverse". But, since the reigning rule of most of the planet has been males for the better part of history, there's always been an "exception" to that rule when it involves two (hot) women.
Men have stronger libido. Thus, they want sex more. Religion, a rather wholesome way of saying "Selected History", has stated countless times that sex, in any form, before marriage is sinful, aka "perverse". It then can be inferred that men, wanting and pursuing sex more, will both do so before getting married, and will do so with other people after getting married. Studies support this as well, with one saying 44% of men cheat on their wives, with only 36% of women cheating on their husbands, and another saying 29% of American Men sleep with more than 15 sexual partners in their lifetime, compared to only 9% of women sleeping with that many.
Now, what more do you need before you admit that men are more perverted? We have more porn, we masturbate more, we engage in sex more, and with more women (before a legal/holy union with a member of the opposite sex), we do not typically like foreplay, so we only want to engage in the act of sex, not the act of love-making. I don't know how to lay out a clearer picture of our perversion.
Everybody lies, and girls are not exempt from that rule.
This huge gay porn industry for women leads me to believe that my inquiries on the matter were not answered truthfully.
Maybe not, but if that's the case, why not say "they are people and the truth seems to blah blah blah" instead of making it a point of them being GIRLS being dishonest? Your implication that it's because they ARE girls? Not the classiest move, dude.
And this might be just a guess on my part, but maybe, just MAYBE, the gals in question didn't feel like answering such a personal question and felt it was none of your business what they enjoyed in their private time.
Well if they were comfortable talking about sex one might assume that question is not too big of a stretch, but hey I could be wrong.
And if it was a delicate issue why not just say so... maybe it was that illusive truth again.
There's different levels of comfort talking about sexuality, and talking about one area of it does not automatically mean you gain access to every last detail.
But hey, maybe I'm wrong, you're right, and it was all just a great ploy to lie to you, the great seeker of Truth. Let us ponder our folly for mistaking feminine wiles and habitual deception for a need for privacy.
I didn't, but I always asked girls if they like gay porn(under the assumption it's like lesbians for us), not one of them sofar confirmed it.
Then again they are girls and the truth seems to elude their lips quite often.
Oh no, no, no. I didn't mean lesbians like yaoi, I mean hardcore live action gay porn. What you're noticing about the yaoi male though, has been commented upon as part of why a lot of women are drawn to it (I don't know if this is even in a masturbatory sense). The non-threatening and non-sexualized (in the sense of figure) male.
Many women like male/male porn. Women just tend to prefer story based stuff while men are usually interested in the part where they get to the fucking. LOTS of lesbians like gay male porn and no one knows why. Yaoi is weird though because a lot of its fans are attracted by the sexuality without having to relate it to themselves (women). I'm pretty sure most yaoi is made by and for women. There's another genre that's made for and by men but I don't know the name.
Well I took some time to look up that Yaoi stuff, and I got a theory as to why lesbinas like it, probably because the average lesbian is quite a bit manlier then the average Yaoi guy.
With just a drop of imagination I could probably spank it to that myself.
I don't know if being a lesbian is seen as hot is such a good thing... It also means that people who think that take it a lot less seriously. I know it's horrible to be persecuted for being a gay man, but not being believed when I say I'm a gay woman is sometimes just as bad. Some people just flatout refuse to believe it and throw the usual one-liners like:
"You've never been with a man so how can you know", "Ah you must've had bad experiences with men in your childhood", "Once your ovaries start tingling you're going to marry a guy to have children with", "You're just doing it for attention", and the ever classic "All girls are bisexual". Now I've learned not to take offense to this but it can still hurt. :/
If you're going to ignore history, then 90% of the arguments made here have to be omitted as well. History defines us just as much as anything else mentioned thus far, but it's one of the few things that we can ignore and try to defy. Historically, Heterosexuality is considered the "norm" while Homosexuality is considered "perverse". But, since the reigning rule of most of the planet has been males for the better part of history, there's always been an "exception" to that rule when it involves two (hot) women.
Men have stronger libido. Thus, they want sex more. Religion, a rather wholesome way of saying "Selected History", has stated countless times that sex, in any form, before marriage is sinful, aka "perverse". It then can be inferred that men, wanting and pursuing sex more, will both do so before getting married, and will do so with other people after getting married. Studies support this as well, with one saying 44% of men cheat on their wives, with only 36% of women cheating on their husbands, and another saying 29% of American Men sleep with more than 15 sexual partners in their lifetime, compared to only 9% of women sleeping with that many.
Now, what more do you need before you admit that men are more perverted? We have more porn, we masturbate more, we engage in sex more, and with more women (before a legal/holy union with a member of the opposite sex), we do not typically like foreplay, so we only want to engage in the act of sex, not the act of love-making. I don't know how to lay out a clearer picture of our perversion.
You don't explain (in any reasonable fashion) why the male libido has to be considered perverse. It's been consistent for millennia and is clearly biologically functional if it hasn't been Darwin'd out. Maybe it's perverse from the perspective of a pussy whipped male that idolizes women as some kind of paragon of sexual artistry (which I am not accusing you of, but it's present in this thread).
Assuming history is true, we should be seeing increases in sexual activity in females with both the autoerotic and regular variety because of women's lib. By relegating male sexuality to a lower status with a negative word like perverse, you reinforce stereotypes that perpetuate systems of sexism and double standards and potentially make it difficult for people who have issues with this.
Oh, and if men engage in more acts of sexuality, who the fuck are they doing it with?
If you're going to ignore history, then 90% of the arguments made here have to be omitted as well. History defines us just as much as anything else mentioned thus far, but it's one of the few things that we can ignore and try to defy. Historically, Heterosexuality is considered the "norm" while Homosexuality is considered "perverse". But, since the reigning rule of most of the planet has been males for the better part of history, there's always been an "exception" to that rule when it involves two (hot) women.
Men have stronger libido. Thus, they want sex more. Religion, a rather wholesome way of saying "Selected History", has stated countless times that sex, in any form, before marriage is sinful, aka "perverse". It then can be inferred that men, wanting and pursuing sex more, will both do so before getting married, and will do so with other people after getting married. Studies support this as well, with one saying 44% of men cheat on their wives, with only 36% of women cheating on their husbands, and another saying 29% of American Men sleep with more than 15 sexual partners in their lifetime, compared to only 9% of women sleeping with that many.
Now, what more do you need before you admit that men are more perverted? We have more porn, we masturbate more, we engage in sex more, and with more women (before a legal/holy union with a member of the opposite sex), we do not typically like foreplay, so we only want to engage in the act of sex, not the act of love-making. I don't know how to lay out a clearer picture of our perversion.
You don't explain (in any reasonable fashion) why the male libido has to be considered perverse. It's been consistent for millennia and is clearly biologically functional if it hasn't been Darwin'd out. Maybe it's perverse from the perspective of a pussy whipped male that idolizes women as some kind of paragon of sexual artistry (which I am not accusing you of, but it's present in this thread).
Assuming history is true, we should be seeing increases in sexual activity in females with both the autoerotic and regular variety because of women's lib. By relegating male sexuality to a lower status with a negative word like perverse, you reinforce stereotypes that perpetuate systems of sexism and double standards and potentially make it difficult for people who have issues with this.
Oh, and if men engage in more acts of sexuality, who the fuck are they doing it with?
Why is it always some preconceived notion that if a man has sex with multiple women, then each woman that he has sex with has also has to have had sex with the exact same number of men? I already mentioned that, percentage-wise, more men have sex with multiple women than women with multiple men, AND they're more likely to cheat. So, in other words, when they're in a relationship with a woman, probably getting some every so often, they will go out and have sex with other women while the woman stays "faithful" and doesn't go philandering about.
Your logic seems to state that, because mankind's notions to fuck one another constantly hasn't been beaten out of our minds through evolution, that it shouldn't be considered bad. I already had this debate with a friend of mine, how we are an ever-growing species despite our own constant killing of one another. And why is that? Because from puberty to the grave there is a large number of people who still have the age old idea that they need to fuck, need to fuck hard, and need to fuck often to keep the species going. Every species has this hardwired into their minds as a means of self-preservation; all species need to procreate in order to keep their species alive, especially if they are at or around the bottom of the food chain. The problem is we are at a point where very little threatens our lives, outside of disease or Acts of God, but despite these we're still among the longest-living, highest-on-the-food-chain predators on the planet, so really there is little need for us to procreate for any biological purpose. Again, barring some global catastrophe that dwarfs anything we have seen in our own history, our need to procreate is minimal at best outside of replacement value, to quote George Carlin.
And yet, despite this, you have many people who fuck multiple partners, spawning several offspring within their lifetimes. We have invented several means to stave off pregnancy, including, but not limited to, the condom and the morning after pill. We are the only species on this planet that engages in procreation procedures, but uses devices to stave off the actual intended result of these procedures. In my opinion, this very mentality as a whole is perverse, and not gender-restrictive. BUT, if you look at scientific studies, historical figures, etc., you see that it is typically the male populous that engages in these acts more readily and more often. Women are NOT exempt, but they are also NOT the biggest contributors.
Thus, for the hundredth time, Men Are More Perverted.
(I apologize to those still replying to the OP. This was/is a massive derailing, and probably deserves its own thread by this point.)
If you want to talk about yourself, that's fine, but don't make gross generalizations because you made a few observations and came to a conclusion.
Edit: Actually, I will address your points.
I was not insinuating that there was any kind of perfect 1:1 equation. I was stating that either there's a (in relation to the total population) small pool of very sluttish women (a perversion) or the ratio is actually pretty close to 1:1.
And the thing is, women usually [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Understatement] have to consent to sex. See, this is the flaw in your logic. You do not address who men are have sex with if men are supposed to be sex machines hardwired for sex. Likewise, the birth rate in developed nations is between 1-3. That episode of Maury you saw is not the norm.
Also, porn and masturbation are moot points because they are choices made by individuals and generally don't bother anyone else.
Really, why are you judging men based on women? Apples and oranges and you were never an apple. Seriously, address the points and don't got off on tangents. They didn't help your argument and they didn't derail mine.
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