Why is Male gayness "worse" than Female Gayness

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Saelune

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CannibalRobots said:
Saelune said:
Men are perverts. Thats why. Two girls to them is appealing because they foolishly think they could one day be involved perhaps. Maybe some realize they cant but like to see.
Sorry, but Bullshit.

I wont accept such blatant sexism, I know plenty of women who are scared shitless of lesbians, AND Gay men. Its all weak-mindedness, and arguing that men are just perverts, makes you sound like a militant femi-nazi who shouldn't be taken seriously.

I sincerely hope you dont believe that men are perverts, as it might as well be right next to the "Only men can be abusive." argument.
I said "Men are perverts" which you compaired to "Only men can be abusive". There is an important word that makes those two statements so different.

(for the slow, its the word "only")
 

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Danglybits said:
nima55 said:
As a Lesbian myself, I hold no ill will towards gay people, but recently I've been noticing that in most media, It is more acceptable for a woman to be gay that it is for a man. For example the possible relationship in Mass Effect (No I love those games. I'm not criticizing them). Can anyone think of a reason this might be =/ ? knowing myself this is probably something that everyone noticed ages ago lol.
Pretty much all gay-hate stems from gender roles and politics. The complaints are really coming from 'men do this; not that, women do that' not this. Think about the questions gay couples get about their sex lives. "Which one is the girl (or boy)". They're ascribing what role someone plays sexually (active/passive or give/receive) to gender standards. A man who is the receptive partner is playing a 'female' role.

The reason people tend to be more accepting of queer women (assuming we're 'pretty' enough) is that women taking on a male role makes sense. Why would anyone want to be the passive one? Why would someone want something inserted into their body? Men have power. A man taking on a female role makes no sense; it's a down grade. Gender standards are way more strict for men than they are for women. Think about how much easier it is for a woman to wear pants or a tux than for a man to wear a dress. There's also this censoring of the male naughty bits. Full-frontal male nudity is really rare (at least in America) so I think that male-body phobia has something to do with that. Women's bodies are every where and have been codified for pleasure so I think that the idea of someone liking those bodies is more acceptable. All queer relationships cause people with really strict ideas about who does what and why to question how they relate to people.

Of course gender and sex are related and sex hormones influence personality traits. Testosterone tends to make people and animals more aggressive, boy infants like looking at things more than faces and girl infants are the opposite. But cultural attitudes also shape how people of sexes and genders act (they aren't the same thing). Its easy to say that men do this sexually and socially because they are more aggressive but when you have two men or two women, the defining factor in their balance of power can no longer be sex. So it has to be more complex than that; like people are individuals and work out their relationship roles on the basis of more than just chromosomes.

The other part is that people think that if it doesn't involve a penis it isn't sex. Cunnilngus doesn't count for some reason, and neither does fingering (I've never seen someone dispute the sexual validity of lesbian fisting though). So it's less 'wrong' when two women are having sex because its not as much sex as penis-sex is. Being a bi-female I also see that exploitative attitude some people (men and women) have toward lesbian sex. Some people think that a man could improve the situation. "Look at those women -- they're so lonely their practicing kissing each other" Most woman/woman sex is also portrayed as really soft, and feathery, and chaste with lots of petting (of all kinds) and hair smelling.

Lesbian's Brother: I don't think you can really call it sex; I think it's closer to cuddling.
Lesbian: Well, she cuddled the shit out of me.

BTW: The technical definition of "sodomy" is 'non-procreative sex'. So fisting, fingering, oral, anal, titty fucking, mutual masturbation and tribadism are all very naughty. We should all stop immediately.

Awesome post is awesome and needs to be quoted.

Everything Danglybits said is spot on.
It's interesting to note that the lesbianism in Mass Effect isn't really lesbian. Because the Asari are mono-gendered, a female Shepard falling for Liara isn't technically a lesbian. I'm glad Bioware take a less 'safe' route with Dragon Age and I love how David Gaider defended Dragon Age II's gay content by pointing out how the people complaining were so used to their heterosexual sense of privilege that they perceive it as imbalance when media doesn't exclusively cater to them.
 

feauxx

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nima55 said:
Nimcha said:
I don't know if being a lesbian is seen as hot is such a good thing... It also means that people who think that take it a lot less seriously. I know it's horrible to be persecuted for being a gay man, but not being believed when I say I'm a gay woman is sometimes just as bad. Some people just flatout refuse to believe it and throw the usual one-liners like:

"You've never been with a man so how can you know", "Ah you must've had bad experiences with men in your childhood", "Once your ovaries start tingling you're going to marry a guy to have children with", "You're just doing it for attention", and the ever classic "All girls are bisexual". Now I've learned not to take offense to this but it can still hurt. :/
oh god yes i get those all the time and i hate it sooo much !! grr
We could probably fill a whole topic with ignorant shit men come up with..

"You haven't been with a REAL man", "You haven't been with ME", "You must have daddy issues", "You need an experienced man to keep you interested".

Oh boy this is making me ill.

And still I really hate it when the word lesbian is used as a synonym for man-hater. I don't hate men, men are my friends.
 

nima55

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feauxx said:
nima55 said:
Nimcha said:
I don't know if being a lesbian is seen as hot is such a good thing... It also means that people who think that take it a lot less seriously. I know it's horrible to be persecuted for being a gay man, but not being believed when I say I'm a gay woman is sometimes just as bad. Some people just flatout refuse to believe it and throw the usual one-liners like:

"You've never been with a man so how can you know", "Ah you must've had bad experiences with men in your childhood", "Once your ovaries start tingling you're going to marry a guy to have children with", "You're just doing it for attention", and the ever classic "All girls are bisexual". Now I've learned not to take offense to this but it can still hurt. :/
oh god yes i get those all the time and i hate it sooo much !! grr
We could probably fill a whole topic with ignorant shit men come up with..

"You haven't been with a REAL man", "You haven't been with ME", "You must have daddy issues", "You need an experienced man to keep you interested".

Oh boy this is making me ill.

And still I really hate it when the word lesbian is used as a synonym for man-hater. I don't hate men, men are my friends.
I 120% agree -_-