Why is Male gayness "worse" than Female Gayness

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Smooth Operator

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theguiltyone said:
Mr.K. said:
theguiltyone said:
Mr.K. said:
It's worse because everyone loves to see lesbians, and noone apart from gay dudes want's to see gay dudes, in porn anyway.
...okay, have you NEVER heard of yaoi? Slash? Gay erotica made in majority by and for straight women? No? Well you learned something today! :D
I didn't, but I always asked girls if they like gay porn(under the assumption it's like lesbians for us), not one of them sofar confirmed it.
Then again they are girls and the truth seems to elude their lips quite often.
Oho! So now "everyone" loves lesbians, "no one" aside from gay men approves of gay men, and now girls are liars! Clearly this can only end well...
Everybody lies, and girls are not exempt from that rule.
This huge gay porn industry for women leads me to believe that my inquiries on the matter were not answered truthfully.
 

Danglybits

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Bara_no_Hime said:
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Also, why do girls get drunk and make out with other girls, even if they're straight?f
Because bisexuality is a lot more common than people think. Same reason so many guys get bent out of shape about gays - because, somewhere deep down in their subconsciousness, squashed by layers and layers of societal conditioning, a lot of people are bisexual.

In women, it comes out when we're drunk (also because guys like it).

In men, it comes out as homophobia.

Not always the case, but often.
I don't think that there are nearly as many pretend bi-women as people claim. Oh they exist. They're annoying. But they aren't as numerous as it seems. Bisexuals are FAR more numerous than people think. We are everywhere. Kissing girls because guys like it isn't bisexuality any more that straight pornstars doing gay for pay porn are bi or gay. The drunken behavior you're describing is 'barsexual'.
 

Ren3004

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Well, the first guy already said it. Guys like to watch lesbians making out, while I've never seen a girl say she likes to watch two guys make out.

Plus, I never remember anyone (apart from FOX) complaining about the lesbian relationship in ME. But shove a male gay relationship in DA2 and then straight guys complain that the characters are hitting on them, and gay guys complain that the gay characters are stereotypes. And possibly someone complains that they're not gay enough. So I guess that lesbian relationships give you enough free publicity from FOX without causing too much of a fuss amongst your fanbase.
 

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Alexander Sverchkov said:
Because men are made to be manly not wussies ,and it just doesn't work out.Plus it's really disgusting.Another problem is that males have penises and that makes it even more disturbing.
You do know that there are as many queer men who could tear you in half as there are queer men who would redecorate your home right? Probably not.
 

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Its straight men who propagate the view that gay men are disgusting and gay women are sexy.

Its because the male sexual mind is "programmed" to associate women with sex, its a useful evolutionary trait that ensured we reproduced enough.
Therefore, two women performing sexual acts with each other is considered just as, if not more sexually appealing, because its a situation that involves two sexually-viewed beings.

However, just as the male mind finds female traits sexy, it finds male traits unattractive. Again, its an evolutionary trait that ensured we had sex with women more, so we could reproduce, rather than having sex with other men, which wouldnt actually benefit our survival. (obviously, homosexual men's brains don't function in this manner, for whatever reason)
Because of this mental process, the idea of two men being involved in sexual activity is (generally) found to be a situation that ranges from unappealing to downright disgusting in the heterosexual male's mind (depending on how enlightened they are)

In my opinion, it is the responsibility of an enlightened, modern society to do their utmost to disregard the consequences of this evolutionary programming, and to embrace homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle choice.

We still have a way to go.
 

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Heavily paraphrased from Jimmy Carr:

"I don't want to see another man orgasm. When a woman orgasms, her face is full of happiness and joy. When a man orgasms, he looks like he's drinking vinegar through his eyes"
 

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nima55 said:
As a Lesbian myself, I hold no ill will towards gay people, but recently I've been noticing that in most media, It is more acceptable for a woman to be gay that it is for a man. For example the possible relationship in Mass Effect (No I love those games. I'm not criticizing them). Can anyone think of a reason this might be =/ ? knowing myself this is probably something that everyone noticed ages ago lol.
I'd guess it has with the traditional code on masculinity and manliness. I mean if a straigh guy does ballet he will be called gay anyway by some.
But with women, I guess it's like "oh you know, girls have their BFFs, kisses and all, so who wasn't expecting it." stereotype.
 

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SwimmingRock said:
Because a lot of media panders to straight males and they think lesbians are hot while gay men are gross and possibly intimidating. Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but that strikes me as the obvious answer.
This. That also answers your ME point.
 

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The answer is simple, my fellow lesbian: all that which is associated with being female is undervalued and oppressed in our society (based off of Greek and Roman). A gay man has for thousands of years been associated with the undesirable feminine. In the past, the passive male was feminized and seen as dishonored whereas the active male role had no stigma. So the hatred for gay men is the hatred for men becoming less than men by becoming women.

Lesbians have it that no one actually considers us legit, so it is okay for us to fool around.

Yeah ><
Basically this.

I'll argue that a similar kind of thing happens in perceptions of lesbianism, though. Take the stereotypical femme/butch dynamic. Society doesn't really have a problem with "femme" lesbians, but "butch" lesbians do have a certain kind of stigma attached to them. You'll certainly never see two butch lesbians jello wrestling in a movie.
Indeed. Butch(y) women are threatening too. They're 'replacing men'. We're also not considered attractive by the social standard so we get left out of the voyeurism. Butches go too far in adopting the male role for people's delicate sensibilities. Often to the point where people stop seeing butches as women. "Why would you not just date a man?" Well, why don't you just date a butch?

The real reason there is no butch jello wrestling isn't becasue butches aren't hot, its because it would turn into a serious wrestling match :p
 

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from what i understand of psychology male homosexuals tend to be more fixed in their decision, whereas women tend to be allowed more freedom with their sexuality, case in point, every single person i know that has admitted to being bisexual have been female, and if a male said that it would be a hell of a lot stranger


as to why men find lesbians attractive? i remember reading once it's supposed to be based on a maternal relationship, bear in mind this is no way definite just something i remember reading
 

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Simply put, guys think lesbians are hot because they like the idea of... well I actually don't know why. They think there's a possibility of a 3way or something? I have no clue. Never made much sense to me really. I just find it cute when I see a gay couple.

But gay men are seen as disgusting since a lot of media panders directly to straight males and when something deviates from that, it's seen as wrong. Plus, there's massive amounts of homophobia put in place, mostly by males. Lesbians don't even seem to register to some people as being gay for whatever reason. Must be the media's and society's fault. Curse you, societal standards!!!!
 

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Joe Doran said:
Its straight men who propagate the view that gay men are disgusting and gay women are sexy.

Its because the male sexual mind is "programmed" to associate women with sex, its a useful evolutionary trait that ensured we reproduced enough.
Therefore, two women performing sexual acts with each other is considered just as, if not more sexually appealing, because its a situation that involves two sexually-viewed beings.

However, just as the male mind finds female traits sexy, it finds male traits unattractive. Again, its an evolutionary trait that ensured we had sex with women more, so we could reproduce, rather than having sex with other men, which wouldnt actually benefit our survival. (obviously, homosexual men's brains don't function in this manner, for whatever reason)
Because of this mental process, the idea of two men being involved in sexual activity is (generally) found to be a situation that ranges from unappealing to downright disgusting in the heterosexual male's mind (depending on how enlightened they are)

In my opinion, it is the responsibility of an enlightened, modern society to do their utmost to disregard the consequences of this evolutionary programming, and to embrace homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle choice.

We still have a way to go.

As an openly bisexual male i agree completely, obviously i find both situations attractive and highly "stimulating" and if you want a gay relationship in a game just look at any of the Fables.
I believe that in some way everyone is capable of seeing homosexuality as a normal part of life and society, but its merely down to the education of people and the exposure we see in the media.
 

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Because most of the time when people think 'lesbians' they think this:



It's not so much about being open and accepting of homosexuality as it is indulging in an immature male fantasy. For one thing it's worth remembering not all women look like Natalie Portman or Mila Kunis, and certainly not all lesbians. There are fat lesbians, scrawny lesbians, lesbians with wierd teeth, lesbians with greasy hair... the point is, not all women look like supermodels.
It's also a wierd fantasy anyway, if they are lesbians and are having sex with each other, they probably aren't at all interested in YOU.
But no one ever thinks about those women when they think about lesbians, and in modern popular culture you rarely see depictions of lesbian couples or women engaging in sexual acts upon each other WITHOUT them also looking like sexual dieties. If Black Swan had starred say, Betty White as Nina and Queen Latifa as Lily, people would probably not find the particular scene as attractive.

Thing is, it's not so much about women in general being accepted if they want to sleep with other women. Rather it's the image we hold up that's 'acceptable', because the idea of two attractive women sleeping together is something that we like because of the fantasy it provides us, not the freedom and love that it would provide others. It's the reason why we almost seem to expect girls to have no problem making out with each other, or having a naked member of their gender start rubbing against them. It's gotten to the point now where we just assume that they (meaning even if they aren't actually lesbians) should be comfortable with it, even though it's entirely reasonable for it to be the equivilant of a man being expected to be comfortable making out with another man or by extension having a naked man rub against him.

There's this one dialogue scene in the movie 'Chasing Amy' that pretty much summarizes the whole thing:
As an attractive lesbian, the girl Allissa has no need to fear any prejudice because society deems it 'sexy', provided that she lives up to an immature sex fantasy there will be no anger against her. The man talking meanwhile is a 'reviled gay man' because men do not find him attractive and because it's not universally accepted as sexy by a largely male dominated media, he still gets persecuted.

Which is actually why I often wonder:
If there are SO many depictions of women doing other women in men's television, film, games etc... why can't there be depictions of men making out with other men in woman's media? I mean surely there have to be a few Twilight fans who wanted to see Edward and Jacob make out on screen.
Given that they are both somewhat attractive men, one could argue the same logic applied in Black Swan with Miss Portman and Miss Kunis would also apply here. If women can have sex on camera for the sake of a male audience, why not the other way around?

I guess my final thought here is that if we could make male on male relationships in media as common place and 'sexy' as woman on woman relationships, maybe there wouldn't be as much of an issue anymore. After all I know straight women with husbands who still think Natalie Portman is gorgeous and thought that one scene in Black Swan was sexy as hell.
Maybe one day we'll hear from men with wives about how sexy that scene where Peter and David got down was.

My argument is that if that happened, there would truly be a fair balanced society. With no gender double standards and no sexual orientational discrimination.
 

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nima55 said:
As a Lesbian myself, I hold no ill will towards gay people, but recently I've been noticing that in most media, It is more acceptable for a woman to be gay that it is for a man. For example the possible relationship in Mass Effect (No I love those games. I'm not criticizing them). Can anyone think of a reason this might be =/ ? knowing myself this is probably something that everyone noticed ages ago lol.
because gay men can have sexual intercourse, without the need for plastic toys of course.

i think its just that straight men see the idea of a penis in their anus is disgusting.

(i say this as a completely straight male (as far as i know))
 

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I hope this hasn't been posted as of yet. I had a brief look and didn't see it, but it's possible I missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5zsxfhAh6Q
 

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Danglybits said:
Testosterone tends to make people more aggressive
Interestingly, this doesn't seem to be true at all.

Quick sources (if you want to google it yourself you'll find heaps more):

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6949048.ece

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091208132241.htm

http://carnalnation.com/content/41069/897/testosterone-does-not-induce-aggression

Males tend to be more aggressive than females due to a mixture of societal expectations and differences in neurological structures. Hormones don't seem to effect it.

Agreed with everything else you said! Just thought I'd point that little bit out - it's quite interesting and it is a commonly believed misconception! :)