Why is Male gayness "worse" than Female Gayness
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Not really. The Greeks valued women so little that male-male love was seen as the zenith of relationships, though anal penetration was seen as very demeaning for penetrated because it was considered womanly, and women were second class citizens.Hatter said:
Hardly consistent throughout all human histories.
As I recall the major religions are all uppity about sodomy (buttsex, as of my understanding) so that's probably it.
Look... this is a real issue. Saying that men are perverts is as great a stereotype (and part of the problem) and blaming the media is just a cop out... (the media can only show us what we are already willing to believe, even if we wouldn't admit it).
The issue is in the stereotypes of masculinity and femininity, particularly those people use to interpret their own identity. A good deal of the masculine identity could be described as being "manly" and a quintessential part of that is being attracted to women. It can become dangerous in such "manly" communities to even be tolerant, as this could lead to others perceiving that they are "un-manly" themselves. This behaviour reinforces itself: even if someone is actually tolerant, they can't act that way which creates a vicious circle.
(add religion or other "morality" and this becomes a complete cluster f***)
As the why lesbian relationships are more tolerated: women are not typically considered to be competing with men to be "manly". Thus, it is not threatening to a man's own identity, and we have to face it, this is still a generally male dominated world. Indeed, as liking women is a "manly" quality it could be an attractive trait to many men, or at least give some common ground.
There may be aspects of the "feminine" identity which are similar, but (being a man) I really couldn't say. I would hazard to say, however, that over the last few decades the feminine identity has changed quite a bit, assimilating a number of features traditionally associated with "manliness" (assertiveness and competition) to better compete in a male dominated world. In more extreme cases, this could mean that to some women as well "liking women" (or liking more effeminate men) becomes more attractive.
The issue is in the stereotypes of masculinity and femininity, particularly those people use to interpret their own identity. A good deal of the masculine identity could be described as being "manly" and a quintessential part of that is being attracted to women. It can become dangerous in such "manly" communities to even be tolerant, as this could lead to others perceiving that they are "un-manly" themselves. This behaviour reinforces itself: even if someone is actually tolerant, they can't act that way which creates a vicious circle.
(add religion or other "morality" and this becomes a complete cluster f***)
As the why lesbian relationships are more tolerated: women are not typically considered to be competing with men to be "manly". Thus, it is not threatening to a man's own identity, and we have to face it, this is still a generally male dominated world. Indeed, as liking women is a "manly" quality it could be an attractive trait to many men, or at least give some common ground.
There may be aspects of the "feminine" identity which are similar, but (being a man) I really couldn't say. I would hazard to say, however, that over the last few decades the feminine identity has changed quite a bit, assimilating a number of features traditionally associated with "manliness" (assertiveness and competition) to better compete in a male dominated world. In more extreme cases, this could mean that to some women as well "liking women" (or liking more effeminate men) becomes more attractive.
Uh, no. That's either a bullshitty, bigoted double standard or plain old trolling.Mr Thin said:
Peer pressure from guys, I assume.Psychotic-ishSOB said:
That's not true, but it definitely should be.Eric Huntinton said:
At least you don't care :3
Simple: Because straight men love gay women. The more lady-parts, the better. Gay men, on the other hand, means twice as many man-parts and that isn't hot at all.
Women have curves and sleek, curvy, gracious figures. You could watch them all day. Men are hairy and lumpy.
Women have curves and sleek, curvy, gracious figures. You could watch them all day. Men are hairy and lumpy.
LoFr3Eq said:
A) Not all homosexual males like anal sex. Many never participate in that particular act. Those individuals often prefer oral sex.Istvan said:
B) Mostly directed at Istvan - it depends on your definition of major. The Judeo-Christian religions are the ones who are concerned about anal hygiene.
Both men and women (generally speaking) have a positive reaction to female beauty, so twice as many women is twice as good. Men generally do not have a positive reaction to good-looking guys (either indifference or dislike). Add this to nearly every society on the planet having men in majority control of religion, business, and politics... and it should be pretty easy to connect the dots.
Because men are usually taught strict mantras of "being gay is wrong" and women don't get that as much. Men are conditioned against bisexuality and homosexuality for themselves and other men. Women on the other hand aren't so socially pressured and men are well, horny. If two women are willing to make out with each other he may have the chance of bedding both (in his mind at least.)
Sparta was the exception about a lot of things.Hatter said:
Also, "high regard" meant they stayed home and ran things because all the men were off getting killed in wars.
Spartans still loved the gay romance - what else were you going to do out in an army camp full of men?
... if you live in the 1980s.LoFr3Eq said:
That stereotype is very outdated at this point. So much so that it barely shows up anymore - and when it does, it is usually called out on it.
I realize that perceptions don't change fast, but they started changing in the 90s - it's been 20 years. Time to get over it.
Because it's hot?
Seriously though, I don't know. I'm sure we could analyze this and talk about the portrayal of gays in the media and established gender roles and religion but I don't feel like it right now.
I'm not a homophobe, but I'd rather not see two guys making out. Two chicks on the other hand, hell. fucking. yeah.
Seriously though, I don't know. I'm sure we could analyze this and talk about the portrayal of gays in the media and established gender roles and religion but I don't feel like it right now.
I'm not a homophobe, but I'd rather not see two guys making out. Two chicks on the other hand, hell. fucking. yeah.
Classical Athenian Greece. We don't have a terrible amount of information about most of the other Greek city states, especially information made by those city states. Also, "relative" is well, relative. I doubt it was a great system for women.Hatter said: