Why would they? It's not like it's not in their best interest to keep feeding the idea that there's no money is selling PC games in bricks and mortar stores.m72_ar said:
Why is PC gaming "dead"?
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Careful bro, it hasn't been released yet. Counting chickens and all that.Halceon said:More Importantly, DNF needs to lose the question mark.Ironic Pirate said:I think the picture could stand some updating.Jaranja said:Yessir!Onyx Oblivion said:
I mean, people hated Spore, what with the DRM and all that...
And really, proclaiming PC gaming dead is much the same as declaring rock and roll dead. That is to say hyperbole from people with nothing to back it up.
I'm waiting until there's enough successful titles by Eastern European developers to replace all the games in the pic.IamQ said:I wonder when someone will make an upgraded version of that picture, since that picture is about 3 years old.Jaranja said:Yessir!Onyx Oblivion said:
It's time to shop out that question mark in the corner!Jaranja said:Yessir!Onyx Oblivion said:
On Topic: To "do it right" you don't need a monstrosity capable of curing cancer while convincing Microsoft to give you free stuff, you just need to have a little know-how and keep your ear to the ground for, example, when a new series of *COMPONENT HERE* is launched, leading to the inevitable price drop of the previous series.
Well, I wasnt trying to imply that It is dead, just two of the major factors on why people who think PC gaming is dying think that. Honestly its illogical any way you look at it, so one guess is as good as any as to why. I think a part of it is at one time Console games and PC games followed different styles completely. Now that isnt the case.ServebotFrank said:
Its cheaper because Steam is basically legitimized piracy, and the fact that you dont own anything you buy via steam. You cant modify the software when times change and apply a fix that the original manufacturer never took the time to make, And if you read the fine print You account can be banned at the discression of steam and thus cut off from all your purchases without refund.That Greek Guy said:
Incoming WoT: Steam
And doubling back now, Part of the reason why steam is legitimized piracy. They pay the publishers of the game for the rights to digitally distribute the game, But Do you really think once an arrangement is settled on price that steam will divulge actual copies sold via steam to the distributor and give them accurate payments? Also Steam doesnt pay things like distribution related costs because there is no cost associated with making a copy.
Honestly Steam does vastly more damage to the industry than Piracy could ever dream of doing. Steam is not the benevolent gaming benefactors people have made them out to be. If youve made copys of a game to sell in retail stores that when purchased ensure you will make X amount back you know what your getting back and you have more ability to control the decline of value over time. However the lucrative notion of making a profit on a game without having to pay for distribution costs lures developers in and when you have a juggernaut like steam it gives them the clout over the industry (much like how wal-mart does against its vendors) to give the distributor the ability to dictate pricing over the manufacturer. If youve got a physical copy of a game like say the witcher selling new in stores for 20$, Im sure CDprojekt enjoys knowing that people are buying it off steam for 1 day for 5$. Also, these kind of sales shift where the money goes diminishing retail stores ability to keep up because people will buy digitally instead of physical because they know it wont be long before another sale for their game goes up, thus diminishing the overall profit possible from each copy sold.
All this and given the fact that people accept this digital distribution as a good thing for the industry these practices are encouraged and strangling the life out of the industry a thousand fold worse than what piracy could ever hope to do. Think about it, would you rather loose 2000 copies of your game selling at 50$ or sell 100,000 copies of your game at 20 which is a 30$ reduction and a 5-10$ per copy loss on the item. Way im seeing it thats 100k for piracy lost vs 3million lost for digital distribution. Honestly, which is worse for the industry?
Steam does do some good things. Steam HAS helped prop up the more indie and smaller circuit of developers which is a good thing for the industry for variation. It also does allow people to in effect long term rent games at a diminished cost, But make no mistake, Steam IS hurting the industry. But they are at least doing it in favor of PC over consoles.
Honestly Steam does vastly more damage to the industry than Piracy could ever dream of doing. Steam is not the benevolent gaming benefactors people have made them out to be. If youve made copys of a game to sell in retail stores that when purchased ensure you will make X amount back you know what your getting back and you have more ability to control the decline of value over time. However the lucrative notion of making a profit on a game without having to pay for distribution costs lures developers in and when you have a juggernaut like steam it gives them the clout over the industry (much like how wal-mart does against its vendors) to give the distributor the ability to dictate pricing over the manufacturer. If youve got a physical copy of a game like say the witcher selling new in stores for 20$, Im sure CDprojekt enjoys knowing that people are buying it off steam for 1 day for 5$. Also, these kind of sales shift where the money goes diminishing retail stores ability to keep up because people will buy digitally instead of physical because they know it wont be long before another sale for their game goes up, thus diminishing the overall profit possible from each copy sold.
All this and given the fact that people accept this digital distribution as a good thing for the industry these practices are encouraged and strangling the life out of the industry a thousand fold worse than what piracy could ever hope to do. Think about it, would you rather loose 2000 copies of your game selling at 50$ or sell 100,000 copies of your game at 20 which is a 30$ reduction and a 5-10$ per copy loss on the item. Way im seeing it thats 100k for piracy lost vs 3million lost for digital distribution. Honestly, which is worse for the industry?
Steam does do some good things. Steam HAS helped prop up the more indie and smaller circuit of developers which is a good thing for the industry for variation. It also does allow people to in effect long term rent games at a diminished cost, But make no mistake, Steam IS hurting the industry. But they are at least doing it in favor of PC over consoles.
But back on track, Its not dead, its not in danger of dying, and people need to actually look at the facts and clarify their speech before saying something like its dying.
Mmmhmm... their 'test' chapter always wins damn it! I long for Blood Angels although they got their share bit of fame with Space Hulk but I was too young damn it!RhombusHatesYou said:Yeah but I suppose I can put up with playing Ultrasmurfs.Nouw said:
And I supposed as an old DarkEmos player I should just be glad it wasn't the Space Puppies.
Once you look at Space Marine, DoW2 almost looks as if it was done as a 'proof of concept' that they could do more action oriented stuff with their new engine.
We can only wait...
Awesome avatar good sir!The Night Shade said:
Yeah, a lot of updating in fact. It doesn't really present a good case for PC gaming anymore. Very few of these are truly exceptional PC-exclusive games. And more than half of the games were made in the 20th century.Ironic Pirate said:I think the picture could stand some updating.Jaranja said:Yessir!Onyx Oblivion said:
OP: PC gaming is never going to be "dead" (and what does that even mean anyway?). The "N-Gage" is dead. The Virtual Boy is dead. It would be pretty difficult to make something as useful as a PC dead. PC gaming is just on the decline, what with all the rampant piracy and consoles being more popular. Although Steam is really...*puts on sunglasses*... picking up steam...
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I don't even need to read the posts to know you're experiencing serious hate waves from PC gamers!
I don't even need to read the posts to know you're experiencing serious hate waves from PC gamers!
it's dead in the same sense the radio is dead.
not that it's "defunct", but that it's gone down the drain from the #1 gaming platform to a second thought that MAYBE would be a good secondary release for big titles or a refuge for a special kind of market like rts and rpg.
otherwise, the consoles have replaced it on most developers list.
not that it's "defunct", but that it's gone down the drain from the #1 gaming platform to a second thought that MAYBE would be a good secondary release for big titles or a refuge for a special kind of market like rts and rpg.
otherwise, the consoles have replaced it on most developers list.
It's not.
Yeah, that's really all I have to say to that. I am playing TF2 in the ever expanding competitive playerbase (which isn't shrinking, without a doubt, in fact ESEA seems to have more and more teams every year register)
And to top that off, I recently added Starcraft 2 to my game library, which I feel has a good 6-10 years in it, if it lasts as well as Starcraft 1.
I think idiots came under the impression PC gaming was dying because the lack of Q4 titles that hit the PC. Black Ops wasn't a PC exclusive, but we're about to get into the good stuff, with Portal 2 just around the corner, Bioshock Expansions, and Bad Company Vietnam (btw, Bad Company 2 for PC is still going strong with no end in sight...too bad the games nearing it's death as we speak as far as consoles.)
And on that last note, PC games are played a lot LONGER than Xbox/PS3 games. No one really hears about PC games because PC games last forever...lots of people still play Modern Warfare 1, and it's as good as dead in console land...
Yeah, that's really all I have to say to that. I am playing TF2 in the ever expanding competitive playerbase (which isn't shrinking, without a doubt, in fact ESEA seems to have more and more teams every year register)
And to top that off, I recently added Starcraft 2 to my game library, which I feel has a good 6-10 years in it, if it lasts as well as Starcraft 1.
I think idiots came under the impression PC gaming was dying because the lack of Q4 titles that hit the PC. Black Ops wasn't a PC exclusive, but we're about to get into the good stuff, with Portal 2 just around the corner, Bioshock Expansions, and Bad Company Vietnam (btw, Bad Company 2 for PC is still going strong with no end in sight...too bad the games nearing it's death as we speak as far as consoles.)
And on that last note, PC games are played a lot LONGER than Xbox/PS3 games. No one really hears about PC games because PC games last forever...lots of people still play Modern Warfare 1, and it's as good as dead in console land...
heres somthing
assasins creed
Batman arkham asylum
borderlands
bioshock 1
bioshock 2
Dreagon age
dead space
darksiders
Half life
portal
mass effect 1
mass effect 2
oblivion
the witcher
saints row 2
fallout 3
fallout new vega
far cry 2
F.E.A.R. 2
all the ones I can remeber buyign this year none of them are MMO'S or online and I got them all retail,
assasins creed
Batman arkham asylum
borderlands
bioshock 1
bioshock 2
Dreagon age
dead space
darksiders
Half life
portal
mass effect 1
mass effect 2
oblivion
the witcher
saints row 2
fallout 3
fallout new vega
far cry 2
F.E.A.R. 2
all the ones I can remeber buyign this year none of them are MMO'S or online and I got them all retail,
If by 'dead' you mean having a large influx of zombie related titles and content, then I completely agree.
Haha .. or vampire movies, books, and TV shows ... undead is so "in" right now.Some_weirdGuy said:
I'm with this guy. Go Eastern Europe!RhombusHatesYou said:I'm waiting until there's enough successful titles by Eastern European developers to replace all the games in the pic.IamQ said:I wonder when someone will make an upgraded version of that picture, since that picture is about 3 years old.Jaranja said:Yessir!Onyx Oblivion said:
It's not dead. But it could use some variety in the genres that is does. How many FPSs, RTSs, and RPGs are there for this again? And the ports from consoles are really shoddy. The main problem for why PC just isn't as marketable as consoles is because with in the life of one console, the consoles games will elvolve very well. On the PC the same evolution costs one or two decently hits to the wallet. That are keep playing the classic PC games. (Mmmmmmm... Planescape....). I had to upgrade my PC to play The Witcher, which came out in 2007. I'm not doing it again just to play The Witcher 2. I shouldn't have to keep spending money to play the newer PC games well. Consoles you buy once every 6-7 years (although this gen looks like it'll last ten). And now with it's only the big PC titles that are even stocked in the local stores. GameStop has massivlely downsized it's PC section. It's either stocked with WOW or games I could buy for my PS3. While PC isn't dead, it's certainly not the most attractive choice for gamers. And I have a feeling that next gen Microsoft isn't going to be using DVD based disks. Which means port for the PC may get hit.
Ha ha I was about to come in here and go it's dead? WTF you smoking? I'm not that big of a PC gamer, merely starting out really kind of hard for me to make the transition from controller to keyboard lol, yeah it's not dead it's just smaller than the console audience.