Why is PC gaming "dead"?
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You didn't prove how those lead to PC leading in any fashion.Ultratwinkie said:
Steam Genre Selector: Most of the games on steam that are not RTSs, Valve, or uninspired FPSs sell better on console.
Steam Developer Selector doesn't prove anything. Thete are still more major developers on the consoles than there are that work with Steam. That is a fact. There are lots of developrs that aren't on Steam pal.
And never did I say no money in sales. I'm pretty sure that Black Ops can prove that alone. I highly doubt Steam makes as much money as company like EA, Activision or Square Enix based just off of Steam alone. My point was that consoles in general make more money for devs and publishers than PC. That's also a fact.
Basing your entire arguement off of Steam was stupid. I'm talking ALL PC and ALL console. Steam is just one aspect of the PC. And if your going to say things like, "points to money made by Steam", put up a link to help your point out.
Last time I check Valve was making $70 million.
Last time I checked the Activision part of Activision Blizzard was raking in 2.9 billion a year. Which is my point. PC isn`t dead but it sure as shit doesn`t make money like major console companies do.
Well we know it can't compete with console marketability or else Valve and Activision Blizzard wouldn't be the only two companies making money of of PC thanks to Steam and WOW respectivly.RhombusHatesYou said:
Notice how I said gamers and not PC gamers. Most gamers play mainly on the console. It's just a fact.RhombusHatesYou said:
RhombusHatesYou said:
I think we're going to see that trend develope further over the next 10 years. Seriously. We already have 2 big leaguers right now (GSC and 4A), not to mention the growing handful of those still clamboring their way up the ladder (with some note-worthy releases over the last few years).
News flash for those not "in-the-know" on some world-wide gaming trends . . . the RUS gaming market is one of the fastest growing in the world right now, and is poised to quickly start competing with the big markets (US, Europe and China/Japan). Thing is, about 98% of their gaming market is PC. Console make up only a very small portion of their gaming market (which is why the console manufacturers have had a very hard time edging themselves into this market). The Russian Game Developer's Conference is the second largest such conference held annually, only surpassed by the US developer's conference. Users in RUS want a system that's more flexible and versatile, where-as consoles are more "specialized," they see a better "bang-for-the-buck" out of purchasing a PC than they do a console.
With that, the game developers are well over 90% PC-only. Only recently have some of the larger developers in the RUS market even hinted at any potential console development . . . and this only comes on the heels of their success as their global publishers/distributors are pushing for them to enter the console arena. 4A and GSC Game World are a prime example of this. Only within the last few months have GSC confirmed any development for a console title, and 4A's big backing was their early involvement with development of STALKER . . . but because the majority of their key gaming market is still predominantly PC, their primary focus and attention is on PC development.
IMHO, as the RUS market continues to grow, we should start seeing a resurgance in "PC-only" titles working down the pipe, or titles with consoles taking a "back-seat" during development. If any of these titles do have a console version, there's a much stronger probability it will be only for xBox, and not for PS (thanks to the xBox's hardware configuration, Microsoft and it's OS).
. . . and really, the odd twist to all this info . . . piracy in the RUS gaming market absolutely dwarfs piracy of any other gaming market, yet, the market is gowing at respectable rates.
Anyone who makes such blanket statements like that has their head up their ass. It's like saying newspapers are dead. They are only dead when they stop existing, which hasn't happened yet, and I hope never does.
There's nothing really odd about that twist considering now that when the big game devs finally got their (relatively) piracy proof systems, the big issue suddenly became used games (leading to THQ's and EA's Project Ten Dollar bullcrap).imperialreign said:
PC gamers are gamers. You didn't say "most gamers" the first time.AzrealMaximillion said:
As for your fact, let's see something to substantiate it.
Because people keep saying it is without ever really checking to see that it is.
I think people started saying it was "dying" back when it was going through a noticable slump, that's no longer the case now, but people do love to spread the fires of flame bait.
I think people started saying it was "dying" back when it was going through a noticable slump, that's no longer the case now, but people do love to spread the fires of flame bait.
Gaming has dumbed down to support the masses. I love PC more than anything but there is a massive appeal to a console. Small price, simple disc loading and automatic updates and so forth. PC gaming has been the same all along, installation, updates and such aren't hard but require larger amounts of time. Plus PC gaming has lots of compatibility issues that a console doesnt have. I don't think PC is dead, its just the step above what we consider gaming now. Programs like Steam are making PC more console-esq but will never match the console format. PC gaming doesn't seem to be in trouble with the MMO card to play but if it wants to go back to dominating the action market it will have to start making original games without the shameful console ports, I'm looking at you VALVe, Portal 2 for Xbox?
I never said "most gamers" the first time either i know. Stop putting words in my mouth. I just said the word "gamers" I know what I said.RhombusHatesYou said:
Also you want substantiation? All righty.
Here's a link to a chart done by ARS, a technological research group:
http://ppmartin.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/pc-gaming-loosing-ground-to-console-gaming/
That alone shows that since 1998 consoles software sales have smoked PC sales like pork.
Hey, titles by CDProjekt (The Witcher), Bohemia Interactive (the original Operation: Flashpoint) and Croteam (Serious Sam) are already reserved as well as GSC for STALKER.imperialreign said:
According to people I've known from Eastern Europe, PCs also have the advantage of 'hand-me-down' parts, scratch builds and frankensteins. Was a couple of Ukrainians who introduced me to the concept of the Scratch Build Party, were everyone brings their spare parts boxes and plenty of booze and proceed to see how many computers can be built and which will run out first, spare parts or booze (it's always spare parts).
I can't speak for society as a whole, but PC gaming is dead to me. Personally, it was the price of upgrading my PC. A good graphics card can cost more than a whole console.
It used to be I would upgrade my computer to keep up my tech savvy. Playing the newest game at full graphics was something to be proud of. Now, you're tech savvy if you have an iPad. Go figure...
So I gave up on PC gaming and got a console (XBox). It was sad at first, but then I realized that I no longer have the time commitment to playing games that I used to have. Consoles are good for a 30 minute to an hour game time, but PC gaming always took more commitment. I can't play MMO's like WoW because I just don't have the time. I can't play SC2 because my computer can't handle it (I downgraded to a light, battery efficient cross between a netbook and a laptop).
So that's my reason. What will get me back? Cheaper PC gaming rigs, a slower tech cycle so that my rig lasts longer and more games for PC.
Some will disagree with my logic, point out perceived flaws in it, argue that their way is better. At the end of the day I only say this to explain why PC gaming is dead to some. I know there are many more like me.
It used to be I would upgrade my computer to keep up my tech savvy. Playing the newest game at full graphics was something to be proud of. Now, you're tech savvy if you have an iPad. Go figure...
So I gave up on PC gaming and got a console (XBox). It was sad at first, but then I realized that I no longer have the time commitment to playing games that I used to have. Consoles are good for a 30 minute to an hour game time, but PC gaming always took more commitment. I can't play MMO's like WoW because I just don't have the time. I can't play SC2 because my computer can't handle it (I downgraded to a light, battery efficient cross between a netbook and a laptop).
So that's my reason. What will get me back? Cheaper PC gaming rigs, a slower tech cycle so that my rig lasts longer and more games for PC.
Some will disagree with my logic, point out perceived flaws in it, argue that their way is better. At the end of the day I only say this to explain why PC gaming is dead to some. I know there are many more like me.
So what are you trying to say? You said the PC isn't the most attractive choice for gamers - no qualifiers whatsoever, so unless you're trying to say that PC gamers aren't gamers or that 'gamers' without a qualifier means non-PC gamers exclusively, your statement was bollocks - There are gamers that find the PC the most attractive choice.AzrealMaximillion said:
Ah yes, based on NPD Group data I see. You do realise they can't include most digital sales because digital distributors refuse to disclose their numbers, right? I don't think anyone but the most rabid Valve fan would think that omission would be enough to swing the numbers the other way but it is still a rather important sales factor for PCs. To the best of my knowledge NPD Group numbers don't cover MMO subs either, which is a gigantic chunk taken out of PC earning.
The problem is there's no way to know how many PCs are out there being used for gaming. Hell, you can pull up stats for sales of discreet GPU cards but how many of them end up in gaming rigs? No one knows.
Of course, without a more comprehensive set of numbers to work from (ie, ones that don't exclude some of PCs major earners) we can only take a punt... also sales figures don't cover piracy and the like which, if you believe some publishers, is costing them untold billions.
So basically you're saying the PC gaming no longer fits your entertainment needs? Hey, anyone who tries to tell you that you're wrong needs a kick in the head. I mean, I could probably pick out some flaws in your reasoning but... fuck it, there'd be no point because at the end of the day your gaming choices have to suit your entertainment needs.Exile714 said:
