lordlee said:
That manga would be Pokemon Special I think (that's certainly the sort of thing that happens in it). As for Pokemon being the most complex rpg..... NOOOOOOO. Fun though.[/quote]
Why is Pokemon frowned apon?
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That manga would be Pokemon Special I think (that's certainly the sort of thing that happens in it). As for Pokemon being the most complex rpg..... NOOOOOOO. Fun though.[/quote]
It isn't, is it? Not my type of game but I've never heard anyone insult someone for playing it or whatever.
I's say it's because its seen as childish, as well as the fact that the anime wasn't particularly good.
Personally, I still enjoy playing the games (including Platinum, and soon HeartGold) and reading the manga, albeit only Pokemon Special.
Personally, I still enjoy playing the games (including Platinum, and soon HeartGold) and reading the manga, albeit only Pokemon Special.
Agreed, I love Special, but I think I'm the only person around my area who knows of it at all.lordlee said:
Dunno, might be memory 'shrugs'. And Johto and Kanto are LITERALLY connected as a landmass.Double A said:Don't you mean five regions?Just_Karol said:
And they've already connected Johto and Kanto, why not the others? They don't suck THAT bad.
Meh, I'd be the first to admit to liking Pokemon. The anime however needs to be slashed with ten thousand paper cuts and dipped in alcohol.
Because it's childish, apparently, and it's cool to bash childish things on the Internet.
It's also cool to bash non-childish things, George Bush, Yahtzee, Oprah, Doctor Phil, prescription medicine, Scientology, furries, the GameFAQs boards, the Gamespot boards, /b/, 4Chan, young people, old people, middle-aged people, fire hydrants, Sarah Palin, furries, and the state of Texas. [sub]Rules and restrictions apply; see boards for details.[/sub]
It's also cool to bash non-childish things, George Bush, Yahtzee, Oprah, Doctor Phil, prescription medicine, Scientology, furries, the GameFAQs boards, the Gamespot boards, /b/, 4Chan, young people, old people, middle-aged people, fire hydrants, Sarah Palin, furries, and the state of Texas. [sub]Rules and restrictions apply; see boards for details.[/sub]
Five? Anyway, I meant they combine all the regions into one game. And if you're referring to the new pokemon are bad, then I have to disagree.Double A said:Don't you mean five regions?Just_Karol said:
And they've already connected Johto and Kanto, why not the others? They don't suck THAT bad.
Any pokemon generation that has a pokemon based on an electron in it, is a sign that they suck or on the process of sucking.
I see your repetitive argument and raise you the halo series, the call of duty series, and warcraft.Ashbax said:
Also, pokemon is pretty awesome.
I watched an episode recently. He still doesn't he still uses a Fucking pokedex for the originals. Emerald to me, was the end of pokemon. Where do you go when you start to take pokemon out? So I said to myself, "I'll rape this one; most likely hardcore my starter just like everyone else does, get every pokemon thats worth my time, and leave the game to sit in my room with all the secrets and legendarys(that was the most imporatant part for me, getting the legendaries and all the starters), and have it be a constant reminder that it is the end of its life.Link Kadeshi said:
But no, diamond, pearl, and platinum. 500+ pokemon. Fuck. That.
It was a game first numb nuts!Mray3460 said:
It is an awesome game. If you owned the concept to it you would be mad not to franchise the hell out of it!
If you're gonna dismiss Pokemon just because Pikachu is cute and you resent the fact that a child might want to watch a cartoon about his adventures and buy a cuddly toy of it, that makes you an arsehole!
Most teenagers are too overly concerned about how liking Pokemon might affect their image. It's fair enough, kids are bastards. If they can get over it and accept stuff like that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things (when you get older) they will discover a really immersive and engaging RPG.
People have talked about the the repetition issues. That's kind of true I guess, but look at it like this: when you buy a football game, it is just the same game. Football doesn't change! You can tweak the presentation, and make sure the details are more refined, but you can't change the concept of football. It's the same with Pokemon fighting. There are rules on how you can engage them. It is deceptively simple, but the reality is the the micromanagement and level of detail involved can lead to infinite possibilities, to the point where it's almost frightening! Take a look at http://serebii.net to see what i mean. It can't really ever change, and that's not necessarily a band thing. If you get bored of it, it's time to find something else.
I assume you mean the FFT for the PS? I haven't played Soul Nomad, but I have played FFT, and I still think pokemon is more complex. Harder? No. But deffinitely more complex. The thing is, though, that you don't really get to see the complexity unless you have other people to battle because it's really easy to beat the computer by spamming attack moves.lordlee said:
For example, with the whole EV and IV system you can manage your stats, nut deciding on the nature and EV placement is hard. Knowing what other pokemon yours will outrun and what they can OHKO is a huge part of competitive battling and requires a lot of planning. Combined with the limitation four move-slots and the weakness/resistance chart, you have a lot more to think about per team member than any game I've played so far.
If you want an example, Garchomp is pretty good when it's holding leftovers, but when you give it a Yatche Berry, an inferior item, it suddenly becomes nearly unstoppable because it can boost without fear of dying and can outrun most pokemon. The factors that go into this include the base attack and speed stat, the base power of the moves, the attack bonus from Sword Dance, the defense stats, the HP, and the effect of the item. The Sword Dance boosted attacks have to be compared to the stats of other pokemon you expect to face. You need to know what pokemon you'll be outrunning, what attacks from what pokemon will OHKO or 2HKO you, what items and moves the other pokemon has, and what other pokemon are on the other team.
Comparatively, a game like FFT requires you to deal with damage, different attacks/skills, equipment, position, and possibly items. There's a lot less hidden information, though, which turns FFT into a game about optimization rather than decisions and it removes a ot of the decisions that you could make. The correct decision is usually to use the strongest attack, with a few exceptions. Sure, you're target may dodge, but that just means you use the same attack next turn. You can create synergistic skill sets and teams, but this still usually revolves around cheesing out the opponent with bigger effects. There's little subtlety, just a lot of one-up-manship.
We all have moments when we get sucked into a pretty "meh" game and instead of siding with everyone else and not admitting that you just wasted 20 or so hours of your life, you try to defend it. We all have our guilty pleasures (for me its dynasty warrior games. I dont know why. Its more repetative than any pokemon game... EVER) but its not about defending it, it's more about playing it. It gives you more of a satisfaction than a thrill. Life's a garden, DIG IT!!! JUST KEEP ON KEEPIN' ON!!! And what not. If its a game you like then it doesnt need defending to a mass that doesn't want to get it/understand it.