I use Vista and it does have its problems. Especially that you cannot play games more than a few years old.However I haven't had any major problems and believe me I am not really one who sings Microsoft's praise, they are crap.
Why is Vista so terrible?
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Pretty sure, but we're saying the same basic thing, since that's the way the XP was if you used any administrator account.Nimbus said:
Yes, if you do that, you're devolving the security model to that of an XP computer, but is that a good thing, really? XP did have a lot of unneccesary security holes. Basically, by activating the system administrator account in Vista, you are bypassing ALL of the security measures MS put in, not just the ones that you find annoying. This includes such things as remote registry access, which I think we can all agree is b-a-d, since how many times have you logged in to your home PC remotely and edited the registry? You haven't, and you won't. But a hacker (or more likely someone who subverts your comp via a trojan) would.
That's why I recommend just disabling the shit that annoys you. You may hate MS, but you can't argue on any level that they are dumb or don't know what they are doing, just that you disagree with their reasoning.
I've been running vista for more than a year now...
initially I had a lot of problems like crashes,long waiting times,...
but after stopping the unnecessary background services and cleaning my registry now it's perfectly fine.
I rarely have any problems with it these days
initially I had a lot of problems like crashes,long waiting times,...
but after stopping the unnecessary background services and cleaning my registry now it's perfectly fine.
I rarely have any problems with it these days
Yeah, the raging sucsess the Vista was really speaks for itself.solidstatemind said:
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Seriously though, I think if it wasn't for Vista's overprotective security, I think it might have done better.
Also, I don't think there is any other way to get things to run as administrator by default. Nevertheless I use the Admin account, and I swear by it.
For no reason? Hardly. It is new technology and, well, old games are old.
Oh, and for the record, equating the console generations and lack of backwards compatability to the compatability issues associated with new operating systems is perfectly reasonable.[/quote]
Vista is not really new at all, it doesnt doesnt do anything you cant do with XP, the only major change its a bit prettier and has Direct X 10, which isn't really that major. And the people who really think vista is terrible, the people who actually matter to Microsoft are the IT managers of all the big firms who really can't see a point in having to upgrade the hardware of 1000's of PC's just to run and operating system, which doesn't actually do anything that the old one doesnt, and does it slower (especially network file transfers, dont know if thats been fixed now, i uninstalled my vista).
I personally hate it for 3 letters DRM. Even though nothings come of it, the DRM is so entangled in VISTA it actually takes up process cycles whilst its idle. I dont want to be possible told in the futuret what i can watch something on, when i can watch it and how many times.
/Rant over
Oh, and for the record, equating the console generations and lack of backwards compatability to the compatability issues associated with new operating systems is perfectly reasonable.[/quote]
Well, no your wrong. Backwards compatibility in the console sector usually lies with the hardware. Most generational jumps mean a total change in core hardware, especially the cpu architexture. The ps2 only had ps1 compatibility because it contained the ps1 chip. If they change the chip all backwards compaibility had to be emulated. BUT not the PC market, remember your still using a derivative of an IBM compatible made 25 years ago, thats how PC survived, they have always had a degree of backwards compatibilty.Nimbus said:
Vista is not really new at all, it doesnt doesnt do anything you cant do with XP, the only major change its a bit prettier and has Direct X 10, which isn't really that major. And the people who really think vista is terrible, the people who actually matter to Microsoft are the IT managers of all the big firms who really can't see a point in having to upgrade the hardware of 1000's of PC's just to run and operating system, which doesn't actually do anything that the old one doesnt, and does it slower (especially network file transfers, dont know if thats been fixed now, i uninstalled my vista).
I personally hate it for 3 letters DRM. Even though nothings come of it, the DRM is so entangled in VISTA it actually takes up process cycles whilst its idle. I dont want to be possible told in the futuret what i can watch something on, when i can watch it and how many times.
/Rant over
If you have the disk to xp you can download Virtual Pc and it runs fine.SmilingKitsune said:
I know I've recently beat dungeon keeper on my vista machine for a second time, working on deeper dugeons
I really don't have problems with Vista, and I've been running a laptop with it for nearly two years now.
I've only had it freeze once, so I am not sure what everyone is talking about there. Also, it isn't that difficult to turn off the "permission" prompts; I did that quite some time ago and haven't had any issues since.
I can't address whether or not it's slow, since my laptop is much faster than my old PC, but other than that I honestly don't understand all of the negativity about Vista. It works well for me.
I've only had it freeze once, so I am not sure what everyone is talking about there. Also, it isn't that difficult to turn off the "permission" prompts; I did that quite some time ago and haven't had any issues since.
I can't address whether or not it's slow, since my laptop is much faster than my old PC, but other than that I honestly don't understand all of the negativity about Vista. It works well for me.
Ah, but see? You are the enthusiast who knows what he is doing! Vista wasn't made for you, and you won't be as vulnerable to security threats, and will more rapidly recognize them if and when your computer starts going apeshit, so it makes sense for YOU to go that route.Nimbus said:
As I said before, I recommend that most people don't just bypass everything, and instead invest the time to only disable what is really annoying them. You wouldn't be in that category of 'most people'.
Of course, what is the alternative: I say "just disable those things that irritate you" or "WTFBBQ! Go learn your operating system in depth, so you can know what the fuck is going on with your computer... NUB!" I try not to tell experienced computer users what to do, they almost always can figure it out on their own, but when I'm speaking to a wide audience (and I think it's reasonable to conclude that the Escapist forum-goers are gamers more than PC enthusiasts), I treat the audience as being less OCD than most PC geeks (myself included).
Why I don't use Vista
Market. None of my clients (multinational mining corps) use Vista or will allow systems with Vista. All insist on XP or MS Server OS's.
Performance. I design industrial PC systems based on XPe or CE running off a CF card using EWF. So resources are at a premium and very expensive. I can not afford to throw hardware at Vista (on an IPC) to compensate. My laptop in XP uses 350Mb at rest, while with Vista it uses 850Mb.
Security. Vista has little to no improvement over XP (with mature 3rd party apps)
Relaibility. XP and XPe are stable, mature OS's with well know work-arounds for any issues. In practice, Vista is not....
Useability. My IPCs do not have users, so of little importance. Besides I am sick of MS trying to change the basic way I use programs all the time. Office 2007 I am looking at you and your 'ribbon'....
Drivers. Vista drivers still have some issues. I never appear to have driver issues under XP.
3rd Party Apps. Apart from Dx10 games, name one non MS app that runs better on Vista?
Market. None of my clients (multinational mining corps) use Vista or will allow systems with Vista. All insist on XP or MS Server OS's.
Performance. I design industrial PC systems based on XPe or CE running off a CF card using EWF. So resources are at a premium and very expensive. I can not afford to throw hardware at Vista (on an IPC) to compensate. My laptop in XP uses 350Mb at rest, while with Vista it uses 850Mb.
Security. Vista has little to no improvement over XP (with mature 3rd party apps)
Relaibility. XP and XPe are stable, mature OS's with well know work-arounds for any issues. In practice, Vista is not....
Useability. My IPCs do not have users, so of little importance. Besides I am sick of MS trying to change the basic way I use programs all the time. Office 2007 I am looking at you and your 'ribbon'....
Drivers. Vista drivers still have some issues. I never appear to have driver issues under XP.
3rd Party Apps. Apart from Dx10 games, name one non MS app that runs better on Vista?
Also if you do follow it, you don't deserve a good OS, nor will you be using one. There's a reason for the UAC prompt. Although it could pop up a bit faster.Nimbus said:
BTW the thing about it hogging RAM is a myth. When idle it will allocate a lot of RAM for itself, but when programs start allocating RAM for themselves, it reduces its RAM usage.
my biggest *****? its simple, vista gives me nothing i want that XP didnt and being forced to 'upgrade' too it when it ISNT an upgrade its just different.
if it was up to me ida used XP untill the OS that was something like a true AI was ready. the next upgrade from Vista better have the fucking computer talking to me and be smarter than I am before ill even think about upgrading by my own choice.
vista wasnt needed, didnt bring anything that is importiant to me to the table, and cost me some things that WERE importiant too me (like my fucking RAM) when i was upgraded. the only thing i got in exchange for it was DX 10 and isnt THAT a bunch of shit? i cant tell a difference for the most part, and in exchange for DX 10 and an extra $200 i get spamed to death the second i even THINK about moving a file with OMFG YOU NEED TO BE AN ADMIN TO DO THIS !!!11111! ......... even when im log in AS the admin.
sure XP had its problems, thing is though i KNEW what those problems were after a while. i just got comfortable with it when i get this Vista shit with a whole NEW batch of problems i need to learn how to work around just in time for the NEXT OS to come out. if you want me to spend time learning how to adapt to your new shit than give me something interesting to make it worth my while.
vista didnt do that. its like the difference between an expantion and a whole new game. Vista is a copy/paste of XP only witha few cosmetic changes and a fuck load more annoying things that make you 'secure' and only really make you either annoyed to death so you give up using it, or make you SO pissed of you just disable all those 'security' features anyhow in simple self defence, its either disable em or smash the fucking screen with a hammer imo when the 30th popup comes asking you if you want to move a file. the fact i fucking clicked on the MOVE command should be all the verification needed .........
sorry but vista was all thunder and no lighting and i COULD have lived with that even still, but not only didnt it give me anything new and exciting, it made all the old and boring i could do just fine with XP even worse by making it annoying as well as old and boring.
and did i mention it sucks up RAM like a fat guy and an all you can eat buffet?
if it was up to me ida used XP untill the OS that was something like a true AI was ready. the next upgrade from Vista better have the fucking computer talking to me and be smarter than I am before ill even think about upgrading by my own choice.
vista wasnt needed, didnt bring anything that is importiant to me to the table, and cost me some things that WERE importiant too me (like my fucking RAM) when i was upgraded. the only thing i got in exchange for it was DX 10 and isnt THAT a bunch of shit? i cant tell a difference for the most part, and in exchange for DX 10 and an extra $200 i get spamed to death the second i even THINK about moving a file with OMFG YOU NEED TO BE AN ADMIN TO DO THIS !!!11111! ......... even when im log in AS the admin.
sure XP had its problems, thing is though i KNEW what those problems were after a while. i just got comfortable with it when i get this Vista shit with a whole NEW batch of problems i need to learn how to work around just in time for the NEXT OS to come out. if you want me to spend time learning how to adapt to your new shit than give me something interesting to make it worth my while.
vista didnt do that. its like the difference between an expantion and a whole new game. Vista is a copy/paste of XP only witha few cosmetic changes and a fuck load more annoying things that make you 'secure' and only really make you either annoyed to death so you give up using it, or make you SO pissed of you just disable all those 'security' features anyhow in simple self defence, its either disable em or smash the fucking screen with a hammer imo when the 30th popup comes asking you if you want to move a file. the fact i fucking clicked on the MOVE command should be all the verification needed .........
sorry but vista was all thunder and no lighting and i COULD have lived with that even still, but not only didnt it give me anything new and exciting, it made all the old and boring i could do just fine with XP even worse by making it annoying as well as old and boring.
and did i mention it sucks up RAM like a fat guy and an all you can eat buffet?
I have it and I'm not against it. The only issues I've had are running older PC games like Civ 3, but with a couple tweeks, everything works fine.
The thing about any Windows version is that you really need to be somewhat tech savvy to make sure that everything works properly. I guess that's the downfall of having a "somewhat" unrestricted OS.
The thing about any Windows version is that you really need to be somewhat tech savvy to make sure that everything works properly. I guess that's the downfall of having a "somewhat" unrestricted OS.
Wow. I'm like your arch-fucking-nemesis. I tested Vista, and I currently test DRM. This is a seperate rant, but DRM isn't something you can lay at the feet of Microsoft, just FYI. DRM is prevalent throughout the industry, and frankly, it's going to happen in some shape or form, regardless of the selfish pipe-dreams of all slope-headed morons who seem to think that it's such a fucking tragedy that they should actually be charged for artistic content that they didn't create, and that it's such a travesty that companies and artists who try to make money in a capitalist society might actually want to protect the fruits of their labors.mukestar said:
As to your comment regarding DRM on Vista, it's funny that you should feel comfortable with commenting on it, considering that the PREVIOUS SENTENCE you said that you uninstalled Vista, so it's a fairly easy conclusion to come to that you have no idea what the current state of affairs is.
I see that you just joined, and this is your first post in the Escapist forums. Hopefully, in the future you will consider how your arguments will appear to a wide assortment of very knowlegable people, and not spout off such knee-jerk, slopsistic crap next time.
nothing is wrong with it , people are just afraid of change to things they know and love. thus why people bitched about vista, since windows had looked and worked basically the same for the passed decade or so.