Please scroll up. If you read the thread, you might not look foolish for posting comments that have already been addressed.Wyatt said:
Why is Vista so terrible?
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Others have probably said all these things already, but I'm going to say them again.
The Security alerts. They either prompt you for every little thing you try to do with your computer, or are totally disabled. the lack of middle ground is more than a little annoying.
RAM. Good god does it ever eat ram. Minimum RAM required for XP professional: 128 MB (actually, it supports as low as 64 MB, but that really limits performance). Vista Home Premium: 1GB. Thats a pretty huge jump. Some games also require more RAM to run on Vista than on XP (Fallout 3, minimum 1 GB (XP)/ 2 GB (Vista)).
Crashes. I realize not everyone gets these, and many people have been using vista without so much as a hint of it crashing, but for every one of you there is another who's system has crashed. There should be nowhere near that number of crashes.
Windows 7. No operating system should EVER be bested by its successor within 2 years of its own release, much less one that's still in beta.
While Windows Vista isn't terrible, it certainly leaves a lot to desire. It could definitely have been worse, but it never really got to a point where I felt I had any reason to upgrade to it.
The Security alerts. They either prompt you for every little thing you try to do with your computer, or are totally disabled. the lack of middle ground is more than a little annoying.
RAM. Good god does it ever eat ram. Minimum RAM required for XP professional: 128 MB (actually, it supports as low as 64 MB, but that really limits performance). Vista Home Premium: 1GB. Thats a pretty huge jump. Some games also require more RAM to run on Vista than on XP (Fallout 3, minimum 1 GB (XP)/ 2 GB (Vista)).
Crashes. I realize not everyone gets these, and many people have been using vista without so much as a hint of it crashing, but for every one of you there is another who's system has crashed. There should be nowhere near that number of crashes.
Windows 7. No operating system should EVER be bested by its successor within 2 years of its own release, much less one that's still in beta.
While Windows Vista isn't terrible, it certainly leaves a lot to desire. It could definitely have been worse, but it never really got to a point where I felt I had any reason to upgrade to it.
Vista: Copy, paste...do you want to move these files?Onyx Oblivion said:
Me: Yes
Vista: are you sure?
Me; Yes
Vista: Ok, but you'll need admin approval to do it
Me: I am the admin and yes I want to move these fucking files!
Vista:You didn't say it nicely so I wont!
that being said, vista isn't a terrible OS only because it has DX10...the only reason I got it was because of Crysis.
It tends to have issues with older games (more than 3 years.) It doesn't like to network with XP systems (I called out a MS certified tech to try and get it to read my Windows XP computers and THEY couldn't do it.)
No OS should require a gig of ram just to run it.
The problems with it were all in the creation though, it bogs down your system because it was too hard to change things while they were making it.
To add a new feature, all a programmer had to do was make it.
To change something in the code, they had to get approval from someone that had to get approval so forth and so on through about 6 levels of approval.
Things that should have been fixed or eliminated weren't (due to laziness) and continue to try and run even though they aren't fully implemented. Those issues have been fixed in Windows 7 (what Vista could have been if it hadn't been so complicated to fix problems.)
No OS should require a gig of ram just to run it.
The problems with it were all in the creation though, it bogs down your system because it was too hard to change things while they were making it.
To add a new feature, all a programmer had to do was make it.
To change something in the code, they had to get approval from someone that had to get approval so forth and so on through about 6 levels of approval.
Things that should have been fixed or eliminated weren't (due to laziness) and continue to try and run even though they aren't fully implemented. Those issues have been fixed in Windows 7 (what Vista could have been if it hadn't been so complicated to fix problems.)
solidstatemind said:
Pretty much all of those reasons. I've had compatibility issues, it's BSoD on me 4 times, system restored for no reason twice, it's a pain in the arse to use if you've never used it before, it's ugly, uses too much RAM, it has issues connecting to my networks. I hate Vista, and I've justified my reasons damn it! (Sorry, I've been called an XP fangirl with no real research on Vista before and it pisses me off)Vim-Hogar said:
Yes it's supposed to be usable by idiots. But I wasn't trying to do anything spectacular, just word processing, emails and web browsing, and it choked completely and inelegantly, on a PC with which it came pre-installed. So it has failed in its stated aim.
Until you actually provide some statistics that support your claim of failures, you realize that your argument is completely anecdotal, and therefore easily discounted. Your claims of "it failed" are as legitimate, but no more than my claims of "it worked".oktalist said:
Thanks, please try again.
How about my vista gripes
1. Desktop 32 bit Vista - Does not go into hibernation mode. It's weird, I click on the button and then it acts like it's going to go, but it doesn't. I turned off my computer and within 30 minutes my room was about 6 degrees cooler. I need to replace the Processor, and probably get a third party cooling fan. Might as well get a new case for it all too.
2. Laptop 64 bit Vista - Does not run Neverwinter Nights(crash on NWNmain.exe runup) I've already enabled everything except for the 256 color mode. This applies both for the basic link, which runs the options screen, and direct running NWNmain.exe.
2.1. It tries to tell my to fix my (now removed)Adobe Reader by patching it. How do you patch a program that's not installed? This one is just a silly quirk, not really a major issue for me.
1. Desktop 32 bit Vista - Does not go into hibernation mode. It's weird, I click on the button and then it acts like it's going to go, but it doesn't. I turned off my computer and within 30 minutes my room was about 6 degrees cooler. I need to replace the Processor, and probably get a third party cooling fan. Might as well get a new case for it all too.
2. Laptop 64 bit Vista - Does not run Neverwinter Nights(crash on NWNmain.exe runup) I've already enabled everything except for the 256 color mode. This applies both for the basic link, which runs the options screen, and direct running NWNmain.exe.
2.1. It tries to tell my to fix my (now removed)Adobe Reader by patching it. How do you patch a program that's not installed? This one is just a silly quirk, not really a major issue for me.
I give up.
You all are correct. You're the authorities on Vista. I'm sure you've actually spent more than 1000 work hours testing it (like I have), and determining that errors you encounter are in fact due to Microsoft's inepitude, and not to vagaries of user hardware variations and/or configuration.
The really sad part is that so many of you wish to think of yourselves as "free thinkers" and "individualists", but the truth is that, rather than thinking for yourselves, you have simply chosen to ally yourself with the perceived 'underdog' or counter-culture element. The Linux community hates all things Microsoft, and 'Linux R gud', so you're going to listen to them. That is actually beyond sad, but I don't suppose we can help it: there are always going to be people who seem to think that promoting the minority opinion gives them some sort of cache as being 'edgy' or 'thoughtful'. It makes me think back to the guys I saw when I was in school, who had dropped out of college, wore all black, hung out in the coffee shop all day, and stank of B.O. and patchuli.
GG, zombie. Let me know how that works for you in the long run.
It is my fervent hope that all of you WAKE THE FUCK UP and realize that your one experience on one set of hardware does not, in fact, give you the right to claim to be an authority and condemn something as being worthless.
But I'm probably being overly optimistic with that.
You all are correct. You're the authorities on Vista. I'm sure you've actually spent more than 1000 work hours testing it (like I have), and determining that errors you encounter are in fact due to Microsoft's inepitude, and not to vagaries of user hardware variations and/or configuration.
The really sad part is that so many of you wish to think of yourselves as "free thinkers" and "individualists", but the truth is that, rather than thinking for yourselves, you have simply chosen to ally yourself with the perceived 'underdog' or counter-culture element. The Linux community hates all things Microsoft, and 'Linux R gud', so you're going to listen to them. That is actually beyond sad, but I don't suppose we can help it: there are always going to be people who seem to think that promoting the minority opinion gives them some sort of cache as being 'edgy' or 'thoughtful'. It makes me think back to the guys I saw when I was in school, who had dropped out of college, wore all black, hung out in the coffee shop all day, and stank of B.O. and patchuli.
GG, zombie. Let me know how that works for you in the long run.
It is my fervent hope that all of you WAKE THE FUCK UP and realize that your one experience on one set of hardware does not, in fact, give you the right to claim to be an authority and condemn something as being worthless.
But I'm probably being overly optimistic with that.
Well, duh...Cid SilverWing said:
Is Sony still making Playstation 2 games? What about Microsoft, how many Xbox games have come out recently?
When a company releases a new product, why would they continue to support their old ones? That is just common business sense.
It's incredibly inefficient, poorly coded, still runs on top of DOS, the networking absolutely fails, still prefers to use FAT, incredibly inaccessible, compatibility goes down with every release of Windows, places security in the hands of the user (which can still be easily beaten), is a massive resource hog, unstable, the startup is poorly scripted, and a few other things I'm too lazy to write down.
Essentially, when presented with an opportunity to fix everything (releasing a new OS is usually the time to fix any major flaws in your previous design), Microsoft instead decides to take everything that is good about the OS and either overdo it to the point of futility, or remove it.
Essentially, when presented with an opportunity to fix everything (releasing a new OS is usually the time to fix any major flaws in your previous design), Microsoft instead decides to take everything that is good about the OS and either overdo it to the point of futility, or remove it.
I'm not sure Vista deserves all the hate.
I have Vista on.
Yes, it was annoying having to double approve everything and having to use administrator access for everything, but if you check the options and check/uncheck those things then the annoyances are over, as simple as that.
Most people that keep going on that they hate it just because of the pop ups about needing administrator access just haven't read the instructions at all, or at least not explored the options it includes. I mean come on it even tells you how to shut the things off, just warns you that "that" type of security will be shut off. Don't come saying it cant be done since I've already done it for mine and for a couple of others. If you still don't know how just check the internet and it explains step by step how to stop the annoyances. There are hundreds of sites talking about how to do it since they're sick of people complaining about it.
About RAM it does suck more space than XP, but as I said people seem to hate being told what the other options are. You can lower the RAM consumed by unckecking and checking stuff on the options. Won't be as low as XP on its lowest, but the difference won't be seriously noticed, unless your RAM is really low, since I used 2 GB RAM and had everything checked and barely any slowdowns, and any PC gamer will want to have at least 2GB RAM nowadays, and 4GB is becoming the new line so I upgraded to that, didn't cost that much either.
Everyone should simply stop complaining about Vista just because it had a really bad beginning. Right now it's OK and stable if you get all the updates.
Coding is not that good, but it includes a few good features barely anyone notices. Mainly because *gasp* no one reads stuff anymore.
The only real thing I got against it is the compatibility with some past programs. After acquiring Vista I had to download updates on many programs so they would work on Vista. After the updates then its all OK, unless the program you cant use on Vista isn't being supported, in that case yeah I guess you can impale it and burn it alive, since everyone seems to want to condemn it to the deepest circle of hell for even coughing even if I remember XP not being perfect as well and all the hate stuff it got when it replaced the previous edition.
When the new one comes I bet you it will have a bad beginning, but even when they fix all the bugs everyone will keep complaining about how bad it was and not care how good its become.
I have Vista on.
Yes, it was annoying having to double approve everything and having to use administrator access for everything, but if you check the options and check/uncheck those things then the annoyances are over, as simple as that.
Most people that keep going on that they hate it just because of the pop ups about needing administrator access just haven't read the instructions at all, or at least not explored the options it includes. I mean come on it even tells you how to shut the things off, just warns you that "that" type of security will be shut off. Don't come saying it cant be done since I've already done it for mine and for a couple of others. If you still don't know how just check the internet and it explains step by step how to stop the annoyances. There are hundreds of sites talking about how to do it since they're sick of people complaining about it.
About RAM it does suck more space than XP, but as I said people seem to hate being told what the other options are. You can lower the RAM consumed by unckecking and checking stuff on the options. Won't be as low as XP on its lowest, but the difference won't be seriously noticed, unless your RAM is really low, since I used 2 GB RAM and had everything checked and barely any slowdowns, and any PC gamer will want to have at least 2GB RAM nowadays, and 4GB is becoming the new line so I upgraded to that, didn't cost that much either.
Everyone should simply stop complaining about Vista just because it had a really bad beginning. Right now it's OK and stable if you get all the updates.
Coding is not that good, but it includes a few good features barely anyone notices. Mainly because *gasp* no one reads stuff anymore.
The only real thing I got against it is the compatibility with some past programs. After acquiring Vista I had to download updates on many programs so they would work on Vista. After the updates then its all OK, unless the program you cant use on Vista isn't being supported, in that case yeah I guess you can impale it and burn it alive, since everyone seems to want to condemn it to the deepest circle of hell for even coughing even if I remember XP not being perfect as well and all the hate stuff it got when it replaced the previous edition.
When the new one comes I bet you it will have a bad beginning, but even when they fix all the bugs everyone will keep complaining about how bad it was and not care how good its become.
That doesn't fix everything, and the things it does fix it fixes badly.jobobob said:
My main issues with it were:
1. Failed with drivers - I have a NVidia 9800GTX+ in my PC and Vista would frequently decide that it's continued use was overreated and would just end the graphics drivers. BAM! There goes my picture, have to reboot. It usually happened while playing Oblivion, usually after I hadn't saved in a while.
2. Compatability Issues - as detailed at the start, running in compatability with XP didn't fix everything and half the stuff it did fix was fixed badly. This was particularly an issue with Horizons (obscure MMO) because it has a tiny dev team that haven't had time to make a Vista fix yet.
3. Overzealous, non-disable'able security features - trying to get other games working, Vista compatability wasn't an issue because the security features in Vista, namely Data Execution Prevention (which you CAN'T turn off, despite what some people said), didn't like the .exe and killed it before it could start.
I'm sure there were more but I've forgotten about them since I 'downgraded' to XP.