Why isn't casual gaming respected?

[Hitchmeister]

I have nothing but respect for casual gamers. Nothing but contempt for people who identify themselves as hardcore gamers. And offer mad props to any casual gamer who can reduce a hardcore gamer to frothing nerd-rage.

 

[Vykrel]

I think, more aptly, casual GAMERS are not respected until they pick up a COD

CoD is a casual game, really.

but i agree with you that casual gamers arent really respected or considered hardcore gamers because they absolutely refuse to get into any game that isnt either incredibly popular, very family-friendly, or very repetitive and not complicated or in-depth.

 

[Seanfall]

What I have to say has already largely been said...so...BANANA!

And yeah...this is why they 'nerf' a lot of stuff in wow. Instead of finding a way around it or getting the gear to overcome that weakness they ***** and moan about a certain classes damage mitigation, or damage in and of itself. That and the fact that casual games make shit tons of money for very little effort, Read: Madden, COD, *enter other game here* etc. etc.

 

[Thunderhorse31]

Casual games/gaming is totally fine.

Pandering to the lowest common denominator to turn a profit on utter tripe, is not fine.

 

[Dchao]

My opinion is that the line between Casual and Hardcore games is breaking, meaning hardcore games are becoming easier, which isn't a good thing.

 

[TheDooD]

Because Casual gamer is demonized to be people who want easy games. Casual gamers are people who put life before gaming and hardcore put gaming before life. Problem is greedy and lazy gamers that pass off as casual gamers do to how demonized phrase casual gamer is. They cry and moan over something till it get changes or just keep going. They don't want to put effort in to get something they want it spoon fed to them with a shovel. Though since they get put with Casual gamers as a group there opinion actually gets taken with some importance. We need a term to replace Casual gamers or to loop in the people that are lazy crying and moaning people so there opinion gets less regarded as being part of a large group.

I noticed that when I played Dungeon Fighter Online. The "pro" players shelled out a lot of money to get the gamebreaking avatars that makes PVP suicide. The F2P players are pissed off that eventhough they're the same level they'll get trashed by somebody with speed avatars. On the other hand they are greedy and lazy players they ruin the game economy by cheating and price hiking in the auction house making very hard for everybody that wants to play fairly. They can't buy the gear they need because it costs a few days of grinding just to buy it. Then because of that Nexon makes the game easier and easier because of the cheaters making it hard for those that want to play fair.

 

[BanthaFodder]

Casual gaming is fine in itself i mean i have no problem with the type of straightforward easymode indiestuff or even if its by a larger company.
It's the casual community you can't stand, its the casual players who do not deserve any respect
since they themselves do not respect the other gaming communities and usually act like little selfentitled dipshits just because theyre not being spoonfed and held by the hand in every single game they feel like playing.

Casual gaming communities have ruined a lot of good games like TF2,LoL, WoW etc
and they need to be dealt with in the same way Rift does for example.

In directly casual GAMES ofc they can get whatever they want because thats the target audience
but when they start to act as if every game needs to be adapted for the casual community, thats when things go terribly wrong

Personally i avoid them like the plague and if and when i rarely play tf2 then i join servers with no f2p-players so the casual community is kept behind a steelfence, guarded by firelions, on a different continent...in space

out of curiosity, how is TF2 ruined? if you don't like casuals or F2Pers, go on a Teamplay server, or one that only accepts those who bought the game. idk, but TF2 is like Pokemon in that it's both casual and hardcore. if oyu play on a pub, it's just for fun, everyone just messing around. if it's a teamplay server, it's still fun, but far more serious (especially Highlander servers)

EDIT: sorry mate, postedd before I read, so the Teamplay thing still stands, but how is the whole game totally ruined?

 

[LobsterFeng]

It's probably been said several times, but I don't mind casual gamers as long as they don't mind me. Like, if they make fun of the stuff I play, I'll make fun of the stuff they play.

 

[2fish]

They are not respected because humans are easily whipped into a frenzy due to fear and then they pick an enemy. Games were made easier for whatever reason then some person said this is a casual game then poof the anger had a target.

The enemy is the casual gamers, those that play our games and suck at them, those that take our games and violate them, those that should be banned from our realm, those that should be killed!

I read through the arguments about casual gamers and all I see is anger directed at the enemy. There is no limit on what can be blamed on them as they are a nice scapegoat. Humans have a nice history of doing this shit our economy suck it is the Irish/Mexican/Jewish/Catholic/Casual gamer 's fault!

Everyone take a deep breath and if you want to see less streamlining in games write a letter and get other people to sign on then send it to the developers. It will do more than blaming people that have nothing to do with the game.

I shall bookmark this thread as it has great propaganda and anger in it. Let me know when the lynch mobs happen cause those casuals were lookin' at our women.

Spoiler: TL;DR

I have no time for your lazy butt read it or piss off.

 

[Laveno]

I consider myself a casual gamer, even though I've played games since I was pretty young (we're not talking three years old here, but maybe... 6-8 years or something?). I generally am not interested in working out the most efficient combo, or playing an adrenaline-pumping, rage-spawning PvP match (in any game, be it RTS, FPS or MMORPG), so I tend to stay away from competetive games. It's that simple.

I play quite a lot of singe player games, but whenever I can I prefer to play with my friends and family, cooperatively versus the AI (usually not all that much of a challenge, but some games really have succeded with that). It generally enjoys me more, and the social part is in many ways what feels good about it (one of the biggest reasons I prefer DnD to NWN2 or LBP2 to L4D2).

That said, I do, in NO way, want the game to hold my hand. I want a tutorial that introduces game elements to me, sure, but I found both Portal 2 and DA2 to be a tad to easy. It's probably that casual-gaming trait that kept me from enjoying Fallout 1 & 2 to the fullest, seeing how it requires quite some time to get into the setting and the game mechanics (the UI doesn't really help, truth be told).

I could actually understand if a person who has sat playing a game for a long while, attempting to get better suddenly found himself surrounded by people who spent their entire time missing the enemy team with their bullets (in the case of FPS), and that is one of the biggest things keeping me from playing TF2.

Edit after realising there was little to no on-topic content:

I see no real problem with casual gamers or games, though, still: to each their own. If one player WANTS to expend hours of their lives into effectivising their build order or damage output, let there exist such a game and I consider it a fault on the casual's side if a casual gamer walks into it without really having any interest in it.

Haven't personally encountered the problem of dumbed-down games (well, a little on the difficulty side... quite a lot I realise, the few times I hit up an emulator and play some old games).

 

[-Samurai-]

It isn't respected because it doesn't exist.

There are people that play games, and people that don't. "Hardcore" and "casual" are like the sub-sub-genres in music; They're made up by insecure elitists that want to feel better than someone because of what they enjoy, and want something to ***** about.

You know what ruins games? People like the majority of the people in this thread. Shut up and go play your games.

 

[General BrEeZy]

because on average it doesn't make us healthier. it also tends not to make us smarter, although there are many things to learn if you pay attention. because were portrayed as lonely virgins who never see the sun and get fat and live off our parents.

i think thats why. but alas, i am but one man.

 

[Jazzeki]

Casual gaming communities have ruined a lot of good games like LoL,

Yes, in LoL (and all other DotA copies) its definitely the casual crowd that ruins the community. *snicker*




At least...that was sarcasm, right?

I have to agree with that. It's the psychos who makes those games unplayable. The only way to stand a chance is to basically spend hours working on your in-game strategy and once you have to work to play a game it ceases to be a game, it's a fucking job.

thank you for proving a point here.
the exact point is that for a seriously hardcore gamer it's not a game UNLESS you need to put in that kind of effort. they think it's fun to speend that time an energy on the game. but they are denied that fun because casuals demand that they too should be alowed to play the game even if they are not the target audience. it's like me saying i demand to play in the soccor world cup despite not wanting to put any effort into it what so ever. because hey soccor is just a game right?
if a game wasn't designed with your playstyle in mind you truely are one of the most selfrigthous and obnoxious people around when you complain that the people it is designed for is getting more out of the game. that is why casual gamers don't get respect. because of the amount of "it's all about me" people among them. and i'm not saying the hardcore people are any better in that regard though they at least have a bit more of a reason to cry. they are the ones the gameing companies abandon.

 

[RJ Dalton]

There's not much to it. I mean, I know that a lot of effort goes into making a well-designed casual game and I can respect that - and even have some fun playing them if I've got enough time to be bored but not enough time to do anything more meaningful - but there's no depth behind them. They're basically electronic board games. Hardcore gamers like myself find it hard to get into that on a serious level.
But mostly, I think it's just that we're afraid the success of casual gaming means it will replace hardcore gaming.

Or maybe it's just that one of Popcap's most popular game has a unicorn for a mascot. Who knows?

 

[00slash00]

the only issue i have with casual gaming is when companies start focusing more on them than the more dedicated gamers. we spent years as social outcasts, we've earned the right to be the focus of developers

 

[Eventidal]

It's a good way to get into gaming, and I do respect the people that start casual and then try new things and work their way up. In team games however, although I don't mind giving a little extra support to newcomers, someone who has been playing a while but not really investing themselves in it to get better can be annoying.

My problem with this is that I'm a hardcore gamer, I've played maybe ten thousand hours of video games in my life, all across the board of genres, systems, difficulties, etc, and I bought TF2 before it became F2P. But I barely ever play it. When I do, I go on there to have fun and enjoy playing a game, not to win or read up on strategies. I don't want to make a focused effort to go out and improve. I'm not going to do terrible on purpose and I'm not going to fail to learn from my mistakes and successes when I can, and I won't plug my ears when I get real advice, but I'm not going out of my way to figure out the best loadouts and strategies to stick to, because that's not how I want to play.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Because there's really nothing to respect. It's people making money on things that we've had for free forever on the internet, flash games.

Almost anyone can make a game for a casual market, and most of them are complete and total trash made for people who don't know any better (like all of the shovelware on the wii).