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For almost all of the responses against it, please look at the following image. This is Lauren Faust herself responding to a message she got:
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkl33sCMXz1qdv1gso1_500.jpg
There are those who don't like the show because they've watched more than just the first 2 episodes, and still don't like it. If you've watched any of episode 3 onwards, and still don't like it, then I've got no beef with you.
But those who are just spouting uninformed opinions on the show because they think it'll be like the previous generations of MLP, then complain because we're trying to at least get them to give it a shot, or to stop commenting on it? I mean... Really?
Tell me WHY, and i want a good reason, WHY I WOULD WATCH THE SHOW AT ALL.
AT ALL.
You say my argument is invalid because i havent watched the show- my argument is that noone other than the little girls the show is made for SHOULD HAVE WATCHED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Mabie you have to be High or really, really drunk to understand it.
Did... Did you not read from the image I posted at all before responding?
Lauren Faust, one of the main driving forces behind the latest generation in its entirety, stated that "I didn't create this show for little girls, I created it for little girls and their parents -- including
male parents. It only stands to reason that adult animation fans without children may like it, too."
So your statement that "noone other than the little girls the show is made for SHOULD HAVE WATCHED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE" is wrong, because the show is not
just made for little girls.
I'm not saying you should watch the show at all. I'm saying that if you're going to comment on the show, at least watch any episode past (and including) episode 3 the whole way through.
I say
that, because while episode 1 and 2 are pretty good once you're already a fan, they're not the best episodes to introduce someone to the series with, because they have a rather different feel to them, and thus aren't really good to introduce people to the series with because they don't really present the series in the right way.
It's the same as the fact that you wouldn't really take a comment about a show you like, from another person who has never seen any episode from the show, seriously.
E.g. Think about a show/movie/whatever you really like, and a lot of other people do, too. Right? Okay. Now imagine that every time you bring it up, I started going up to you, and anyone around you, and stated that the show is terrible. Truly, honestly terrible. You then ask if I've seen that show at all. I say no, but keep spouting what I'm saying as if it were in any way an objective fact. I'm not saying this would colour your opinion of me, but surely that would bug you a little if I did this every time you brought up a good show that you liked?
You misundestand me. I never said the show was Terrible. I IMPLIED it. I cant state the show is horrible- as you say, i havent seen it- and at NO POINT have i said i have.
WHAT I AM SAYING is that from face value, which, to anything in this world, is most important, this show is NOT sutable for any self respecting person above the age of 8.
Ill say that again;
This show is NOT sutable for any self respecting person above the age of 8.
Understand?
I didnt say ive watched it (God Forbid)
I havent said its horrible (I implied it)
And in addition, you state
"So your statement that "noone other than the little girls the show is made for SHOULD HAVE WATCHED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE" is wrong, because the show is not
just made for little girls."
So, i either need to be a Little girl, or a married man watching the show WITH a little girl?
How many people on here fill those two roles? I think the idea behing Whats-Her-Face's message is that
1) your a little girl
2) your a parent of said little girl watching the TV show together.
NOT
a 20 year old dude sitting at his computer watching it alone. Coz thats what i think most of you are doing.
Terribly sorry. That example was more meant as a general example for some people in this thread. I didn't articulate that, and I apologise.
If you would (to make it an example more directed for you individually), please assume I said in my example that I
implied that the show/movie/whatever you like is terrible/horrible, then.
For your sake (and to remain on-topic), I'm going to ignore the fact that you just stated that the for everything in this world, it's most important to be judged by what is shown at face value, because that's not what we're here to discuss... You can't just state that it's the most important thing, and then not back it up. If you do,
then I'll provide some points against it. Until then, there's really no need for me to, since I can just say "No, it's actually not the most important thing, but until more points are provided either way then this is all just subjective chitter-chatter, and has no real place here".
"So, i either need to be a Little girl, or a married man watching the show WITH a little girl?"
I'm not actually sure how you got that from what Faust said, apart from possibly purposefully mis-reading what she's stated... From what she said, it was implied that basically any person who is an animation fan, including teen/adult males, can enjoy it. Y'know, when she plainly stated that "It only stands to reason that adult animation fans without children may like it, too."
Which is not what you've said. And since I've posted that twice (in my previous post, and the post before that in the picture), I can only assume you either keep missing it (entirely understandable ^_^ ), or are purposefully ignoring that part. I'm hoping it's merely the former.
1) Okay, i forgive you.
2) Okay, you implied. You have no information on the facts you are giving, and therefore, i dont care.
3) Okay Backing up my personal idea that everything on this world is based on face value
Lets see...
Okay, a easy one.
Im at the shops, and i see a Banana. One banana is Yellow. One Banana Has a massive bruse down its side. This bruse is no indicator of what is inside said banana. But, most people will buy the Yellow Banana.
This applies to basicaly everything: You see something you dont like, you dont associate it.
And someones going to mention How you should base something like a relationship on personality etc.
thats bullshit
Say your at a club. You go up and talk to a girl (Or boy)
Now, did you talk to this person because of his/her sparkling personality? Her likes and dislikes? NO. YOU DONT KNOW THEM. You are only acting on what you see- FACE VALUE. If He/She happens to have a great personality or whatever, then good for you. you might even use that as a central point for your relationship. But, the thing that started it, the thing that MADE you talk to Him/Her was thier FACE VALUE.
4) I admit, that i DID NOT read that last line. Im sorry. But it doesnt change anything. What is a animation fan? Someone who is a critic? someone who watches something Just for the ANIMATION? It reminds me of how Movie Bob is going lately- he doesnt watch the movies for the movie, just how the movie is made.
1) Thanks for forgiving. Some people wouldn't, it can sometimes take quite a bit to forgive someone on the opposite end of the conversation. ^_^
2) I knew you'd respond with this. And if I was just saying it to you, then that's a perfectly acceptable response. However, does the fact that I haven't even seen what I'm talking about bug you? I'm not saying get into an argument about it, because hey, that won't help at all. But you wouldn't even want to point out that I don't know what I'm talking about, and therefore don't really have a valid opinion, when I'm not just trying to tell you that this thing is terrible, but also everyone around you?
Back to our current situation, you accept that in
that situation, I have no facts on what I'm talking about. In this situation, you haven't watched it, and thus have no facts on what
you're talking about. Then why do you feel the need to post all about it on here?
3) You stated that it is the most important thing in the world, then gave examples of how everything in this world is based on face value. Which are 2 very different statements to be making.
To that second statement, I have no rebuttals, because it's not what we're talking about here.
In response to your examples, and arguing against your point that what is shown at face value
is the most important thing:
To the fruit, fair enough. But then again, with fruit, you can often tell a lot (if not practically everything) about each piece of fruit just by looking at only what is shown on the outside. So this isn't really applicable to everything, at all.
To your next point, well you could also go up to a girl who looks very, very nice. Going purely by that, you try to talk to her. After talking for a while, you then go on a few dates, and find that while she's good-looking on the outside, she's actually stuck-up, and is generally just about the bitchiest person you've ever met. You call it off, because you 2 just won't work together.
Alternatively, you get to talking with a co-worker/fellow student/whatever. He/she isn't the best in the looks department, but you start with a few tentative words, then over time those words develop into conversations. You finally start getting to know each other, and discover that you 2 are exactly right for each other, and use that as a central point for a now blossoming, stable relationship.
My point is: Yes.
Of course the first thing you see of
anything will merely be what is shown at face value. However, when talking about more than simply fruit, there will just as often be cases of "what is show at face value is what is underneath", as there will be cases of "what is shown at face value is
not at all what is underneath", and thus what is shown at face value is not the most important, because sometimes it doesn't actually portray what is beneath in the slightest.
You stated that what is shown at face value is the most important to anything in this world. By proving that wrong with just a few examples, I've proven that whole statement wrong. Because now you have to prove my examples wrong, or say that, alright, it's the most important to a few or a lot of things in the world, but not everything. At which point, many people (myself included) will quickly put movies, tv shows, games etc in the "not everything" category.
4) "A fan, sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something, such as a band or a sports team."
Just a quick definition found online. There are other definitions out there, of course, but they mostly only differ in syntax, not in meaning.
So, to be a fan, you merely have to have a liking for it. To be a fan of animation, you merely have to like animation. Just quickly: This does not mean "like all animated shows, ever", or to watch something
only for the animation (it can mean that too, but its not its only meaning).
Then, when she says "It only stands to reason that adult animation fans without children may like it, too", she's saying that as long as you like watching shows even if they're animated, why
wouldn't older animation fans like the show?
