Why primitive, older graphics are better than modern graphics.

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Seriously, people?

OP is correct. Dwarf Fortress, the most immersive, complex, detailed, rich game I know of uses entirely ASCII graphics. Ok, technically extended ANSI, but you get the point. I can't really describe it, go to the bay12 forums or better yet, stock up on food, grab the wiki, and download and play it yourself (it's free).

It's quite simple. The less detail is spelled out for you visually, the more you fill in mentally. Like the OP said, abstract graphics lead to higher immersion than complex graphics. It's true, and I really don't see what there is to argue about, although apparently we're fighting over what genre is better now. I'll just say Dwarf Fortress, since it transcends genre (and is really its own genre at this point).

 

[kingthrall]

I agree 100% with the Topic Starter, for all those trash talkers out there, new games just tend to elaborate on bloom and effects. Even the plots they use are terrible.

That said not all modern games are bad, but the vast majority are pathetic. Ive yet to see a game to top Myth II for all you haters of this thread.

Myth II is by far the most advanced rts ever made and if you think its less complicated than a modern game, I would be more than happy to do a little weigh in comparison to whatever you throw at me.

You're comparing the depth of your old RTS to the graphical fidelity of say... an FPS. You may as well compare apples to oranges because your silly little game has no relevance to the arguement the OP is making.

A game can be complex without having to have shit graphics. Also I'm pretty sure I could throw some #'s from my MMO out to beat out your "complexity" of your RTS but I really don't want to get into a fanboy war over a flawed statement.

BAHAHAHHA this is hilarious an MMO, probably the least complex gaming genre. Games that make you farm, sell fictitious weapons online and have committed some of the stupidest people in the world to commit suicide over characters being hacked like WOW. My god man you really do know how to dig yourself in a grave here! It doesnt matter if the game is different with the comparison I was going to make, as it would still show the amount of effort committed on either side based on that genre. Then again it would be based fairly low being a MMO.

They should really sticky this because your kidding yourself about MMO's.

Aww that's adorable, someone thinks that by oversimplifying the gameplay of a genre that it demonstrates a lack of complexity. I can do that too. Know what your RTS consists of?

Click. Click. Click. Maybe using the keypad if you're pro!

/sarcasm. Come back when you have an actual arguement rather than use the OP's flawed logic to take a stab at genre's you don't like.

Spoiler

This is your deep, highly complex game? Now I know you're trolling. Shouldn't have bothered responding to you in the first place.

1. your an ignoramus because you obviously judge games on graphics, the game has so much mechanics including if you actually bothered to view that video the archers shooting properly, not homing missile arrows. They veteran up with experience just like most the units. That said the dwarf you see shoots bottles, some randomly snuff out. I bet you dont get that kind of randomness in your over-rated MMO games where at critical points in the game you need to fire a spell for example and it fails randomly.

2. click click click, its called micro and if you knew how to do it you wouldn't be talking rubbish to me, presets on this game are here, but in melle fights you need to indivualy click for 2 on 1 fighting in a micro battle. Its not like your autocast spells and sloppy warrior feats that you click and watch the sequence pan out while you sip your hot beverage gloating how great you are.

3. Talk about click click clicking, what about Mining gold, fishing for hours on end for that extra loin cloth padding of elemental resistance. Farming its called ever hear of it you hypocrite

 

[Aeonknight]

I agree 100% with the Topic Starter, for all those trash talkers out there, new games just tend to elaborate on bloom and effects. Even the plots they use are terrible.

That said not all modern games are bad, but the vast majority are pathetic. Ive yet to see a game to top Myth II for all you haters of this thread.

Myth II is by far the most advanced rts ever made and if you think its less complicated than a modern game, I would be more than happy to do a little weigh in comparison to whatever you throw at me.

You're comparing the depth of your old RTS to the graphical fidelity of say... an FPS. You may as well compare apples to oranges because your silly little game has no relevance to the arguement the OP is making.

A game can be complex without having to have shit graphics. Also I'm pretty sure I could throw some #'s from my MMO out to beat out your "complexity" of your RTS but I really don't want to get into a fanboy war over a flawed statement.

BAHAHAHHA this is hilarious an MMO, probably the least complex gaming genre. Games that make you farm, sell fictitious weapons online and have committed some of the stupidest people in the world to commit suicide over characters being hacked like WOW. My god man you really do know how to dig yourself in a grave here! It doesnt matter if the game is different with the comparison I was going to make, as it would still show the amount of effort committed on either side based on that genre. Then again it would be based fairly low being a MMO.

They should really sticky this because your kidding yourself about MMO's.

Aww that's adorable, someone thinks that by oversimplifying the gameplay of a genre that it demonstrates a lack of complexity. I can do that too. Know what your RTS consists of?

Click. Click. Click. Maybe using the keypad if you're pro!

/sarcasm. Come back when you have an actual arguement rather than use the OP's flawed logic to take a stab at genre's you don't like.

Spoiler

This is your deep, highly complex game? Now I know you're trolling. Shouldn't have bothered responding to you in the first place.

1. your an ignoramus because you obviously judge games on graphics, the game has so much mechanics including if you actually bothered to view that video the archers shooting properly, not homing missile arrows. They veteran up with experience just like most the units. That said the dwarf you see shoots bottles, some randomly snuff out. I bet you dont get that kind of randomness in your over-rated MMO games where at critical points in the game you need to fire a spell for example and it fails randomly.

2. click click click, its called micro and if you knew how to do it you wouldn't be talking rubbish to me, presets on this game are here, but in melle fights you need to indivualy click for 2 on 1 fighting in a micro battle. Its not like your autocast spells and sloppy warrior feats that you click and watch the sequence pan out while you sip your hot beverage gloating how great you are.

3. Talk about click click clicking, what about Mining gold, fishing for hours on end for that extra loin cloth padding of elemental resistance. Farming its called ever hear of it you hypocrite

Ignoramous? funny, could've swore that said idiot a few minutes ago. And you even added the hypocrite line. Nice ninja edit.

Too bad you're still wrong. Favorite game happens to be Chrono Trigger from the SNES days. And personally I'm glad the fan-made remake with 3D graphics got the cease and desist from Square Enix, because the sprites will always be the definitive version.

As for you trying to turn my click click jab back on me, nice try but I haven't touched a mouse in years to play my game. Maybe if you knew a thing or 2 about MMO's you might be able to argue with me, but why actually know what you're talking about when you can make sweeping generalizations, right?

If you bothered to read any of the posts made up to this point, people have said that just because a game has more than 8 bit graphics doesn't mean it lacks imagination, or complexity, or anything that the games from the "good ol days" had. A bad developer is the one that falls into the trap of putting all of their resources into graphics and forgetting about the rest of the game. That is the only instance when the OP's logic is sound. But it's hardly a concrete rule. And here you are parading his flawed opinion around like it's absolute truth because you play Myth II.

Like I said, come back when you have an actual arguement.

 

[VulpesAqua]

Is this just too far over people's heads? Maybe I should post a "why Obsidian is better than Bioware thread" or "why JRPGs suck"

"people arnt agreeing with me! obviously they just dont get it!!"

More like "people aren't replying, why?". That's what happens when you post a slab of advanced calculus formulas on a forum, so I figured....

Don't count to three and pretend it's calculus.

 

[kingthrall]

I agree 100% with the Topic Starter, for all those trash talkers out there, new games just tend to elaborate on bloom and effects. Even the plots they use are terrible.

That said not all modern games are bad, but the vast majority are pathetic. Ive yet to see a game to top Myth II for all you haters of this thread.

Myth II is by far the most advanced rts ever made and if you think its less complicated than a modern game, I would be more than happy to do a little weigh in comparison to whatever you throw at me.

You're comparing the depth of your old RTS to the graphical fidelity of say... an FPS. You may as well compare apples to oranges because your silly little game has no relevance to the arguement the OP is making.

A game can be complex without having to have shit graphics. Also I'm pretty sure I could throw some #'s from my MMO out to beat out your "complexity" of your RTS but I really don't want to get into a fanboy war over a flawed statement.

BAHAHAHHA this is hilarious an MMO, probably the least complex gaming genre. Games that make you farm, sell fictitious weapons online and have committed some of the stupidest people in the world to commit suicide over characters being hacked like WOW. My god man you really do know how to dig yourself in a grave here! It doesnt matter if the game is different with the comparison I was going to make, as it would still show the amount of effort committed on either side based on that genre. Then again it would be based fairly low being a MMO.

They should really sticky this because your kidding yourself about MMO's.

Aww that's adorable, someone thinks that by oversimplifying the gameplay of a genre that it demonstrates a lack of complexity. I can do that too. Know what your RTS consists of?

Click. Click. Click. Maybe using the keypad if you're pro!

/sarcasm. Come back when you have an actual arguement rather than use the OP's flawed logic to take a stab at genre's you don't like.

Spoiler

This is your deep, highly complex game? Now I know you're trolling. Shouldn't have bothered responding to you in the first place.

1. your an ignoramus because you obviously judge games on graphics, the game has so much mechanics including if you actually bothered to view that video the archers shooting properly, not homing missile arrows. They veteran up with experience just like most the units. That said the dwarf you see shoots bottles, some randomly snuff out. I bet you dont get that kind of randomness in your over-rated MMO games where at critical points in the game you need to fire a spell for example and it fails randomly.

2. click click click, its called micro and if you knew how to do it you wouldn't be talking rubbish to me, presets on this game are here, but in melle fights you need to indivualy click for 2 on 1 fighting in a micro battle. Its not like your autocast spells and sloppy warrior feats that you click and watch the sequence pan out while you sip your hot beverage gloating how great you are.

3. Talk about click click clicking, what about Mining gold, fishing for hours on end for that extra loin cloth padding of elemental resistance. Farming its called ever hear of it you hypocrite

Ignoramous? funny, could've swore that said idiot a few minutes ago. And you even added the hypocrite line. Nice ninja edit.

Too bad you're still wrong. Favorite game happens to be Chrono Trigger from the SNES days. And personally I'm glad the fan-made remake with 3D graphics got the cease and desist from Square Enix, because the sprites will always be the definitive version.

As for you trying to turn my click click jab back on me, nice try but I haven't touched a mouse in years to play my game. Maybe if you knew a thing or 2 about MMO's you might be able to argue with me, but why actually know what you're talking about when you can make sweeping generalizations, right?

If you bothered to read any of the posts made up to this point, people have said that just because a game has more than 8 bit graphics doesn't mean it lacks imagination, or complexity, or anything that the games from the "good ol days" had. A bad developer is the one that falls into the trap of putting all of their resources into graphics and forgetting about the rest of the game. That is the only instance when the OP's logic is sound. But it's hardly a concrete rule. And here you are parading his flawed opinion around like it's absolute truth because you play Myth II.

Like I said, come back when you have an actual arguement.

Ok lets start by some new games shall we, by going through a few genres

FPS

Call of Duty- Typical end of world evil terrorists, communists never bad Americans, maybe the odd single traitor to take over America but no evil president wanting to commit genocide as something different for example.

RPG

Dragon Age- Typical Lord of the Rings style, evil armies come back from the shadows and the dragon representing the dark lord sauron in all its symmetrical glory. All human/oid races are dwindling in power with all seperate problems and need to form the old alliance.

Starcraft 2, stratergy

Kept to the story granted and I enjoyed this a lot, however typical unknown evil peril will appear as the 4th ancient evil race and all the separate races will have to combine to fight the phantom menace "rings a bell with dragon age on so many levels"


As for Chrono Trigger, Its probably the only animae looking game ive ever played right through to the end. Wasnt a top favourite but I can say it definitely must be good for me to play through something with that kind of feel to it. Usually games like that remind me of pokemon on the gameboy color.

If you have not touched a mouse in years, why the hell are you even in this thread because 90% of older games use mouses and you accuse me of generalising when you just now admitted you cant even compare squat since you obviously didnt re-play any older games for a base for comparison. Just dodgy consoles on the sega and commodore 64 perhaps.

P.S I only edited because I dont want to have to put up with Admins telling me off for getting nasty to a ten year old who thinks he is even on my level. I mean you think attempt to argue with me donesn't even have a basis to argue from now that you just said you never use mice in ages.

I look at games like Zork Grand inquistor, The neverhood, Black and white with brilliant original stories and then you come across something like Mass effect with the same old end of the world ploy. I will only admit there are glimmers and few holes of light from games I have played such as the Witcher and Wargame European Escalation. However its like fishing in a pond full of algae trying to get a decent sized fish.

 

[Aeonknight]

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If I'm the 10 year old, how come I'm not the one resorting to petty insults? Food for thought.

When I say I haven't touched a mouse in years, I was refering to my particular MMO. Of course I use a mouse to play different games, but this one happens to be in that 10% you mentioned. And that point was only to refute your little "herp derp you click click click to farm for loincloths hypocrite!" remark. Way to take it out of context.

And what makes you think you can judge entire genre's on the merit of one game? No single game is capable of representing the thousands of others that exist in any particular genre. Using Call of Duty, a mainstream title to represent any/all audiences, including niche ones? Are you fucking high?

Your answer to FPS's all being "shoot tha terrorist!": Half Life 2. Immersive, decent story, definately not typical, and still has comparable graphics to the standards of today.

Your answer to all RPG's being LOTR clones? Dark Souls. Immersive as hell, a story that you actually have to look for yourself, good graphics.

So by all means, keep those nostalgia goggles duct taped to your pretty little head. If playing ancient games gives you immersion, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But try actually playing what you're trying to stereotype next time, otherwise expect to get called out on it.

 

[Quaidis]

I've been worried about the creativity in today's youth. People are getting dumber as a whole and I know many kids who no longer want to think for themselves. If I hand a kid today a game from forever ago, they get confused, can't think themselves into the game, and put it down for something more shiney and pretty.

Personally, I miss the 'retro' look of 8 and 16 bit games. If they made a jrpg for the DS with a fresh story and the 16 bit look, I'd snatch it up.

But that's me. Games today normally pander to kids today. And these kids want shiny and pretty, and dumbed down easy.

Edit - I also miss the 90's. Everything went to this peak of extreme awesome in the 90's. It was even better than the 70's and 80's. 2000's went uphill in some categories and completely sacrificed others, making it less cool as a whole.

Edit 2 - I hate texting.

if you give him an old school adventure he will be confused as shit. and so will you.
combine cheese with socks and stick to make a harpoon?
yes, that kind of logic was often found in these old jewels.

and

Personally, I miss the 'retro' look of 8 and 16 bit games. If they made a jrpg for the DS with a fresh story and the 16 bit look, I'd snatch it up.

are you living under a rock have you outed yourself as a hermit?
or have you been actively ignoring the games that came out?

most recent example

It's obvious that harpoons can only be made through combining cheese with socks and a stick. That formula is so strangely obvious. Mind you, it would have to be cheddar for it to work.

(And I wrote a ton of random old-school happenstances, thereafter becoming lost in random memories of Zork. The torch with the bickering flame never shutting up, for example. Deleted the lot because it became a ramble and I lost my train of thought.)

Suffice to say we need more games with more weird stuff that makes little to no sense. If gaming is too straightforwards and -

Sorry, I'm getting bad reception. Hold on while I move this chunk of raw granite that makes for a fine doorway.

...

are you living under a rockhave you outed yourself as a hermit?
or have y<ou been actively ignoring the games that came out?

most recent example

That game is the shit and i would recommend it to everyone who like good games.

Alright, call me intrigued. I'll go check out this game. =D Cheers!

 

[SEXTON HALE]

Never really had the best imagination in all fairness.
That indistinct bunch of pixels on the screen just stay an indistinct bunch of pixels to me.
I envy you with your wildly overactive imagination.

 

[kingthrall]

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If I'm the 10 year old, how come I'm not the one resorting to petty insults? Food for thought.

When I say I haven't touched a mouse in years, I was refering to my particular MMO. Of course I use a mouse to play different games, but this one happens to be in that 10% you mentioned. And that point was only to refute your little "herp derp you click click click to farm for loincloths hypocrite!" remark. Way to take it out of context.

And what makes you think you can judge entire genre's on the merit of one game? No single game is capable of representing the thousands of others that exist in any particular genre. Using Call of Duty, a mainstream title to represent any/all audiences, including niche ones? Are you fucking high?

Your answer to FPS's all being "shoot tha terrorist!": Half Life 2. Immersive, decent story, definately not typical, and still has comparable graphics to the standards of today.

Your answer to all RPG's being LOTR clones? Dark Souls. Immersive as hell, a story that you actually have to look for yourself, good graphics.

So by all means, keep those nostalgia goggles duct taped to your pretty little head. If playing ancient games gives you immersion, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But try actually playing what you're trying to stereotype next time, otherwise expect to get called out on it.

Herp derp yourself, nice try using my argument as yours. Only immersion from stories ive heard is the comedic one comming from the posts I read from you. maybe you don't understand the term "few examples" but then agaist I should not have expected more from a console peasant such as yourself.

Sad thing about stereotypes in the gaming world, is that 90% of the time they are true including how desperate you are to the point of generalising that I dont play new games
myself. Better Luck next time and if you want to actually convince me perhaps try 1v1 me in myth 2. Id love to see 100% of my army in tact from the shocking purchase of units for the map type you pick and woeful tactics. Even after 4 years playing this game, pro's can get beaten by begginers from sheer luck and it took me three months to master all the tricks.

You do not, get this kind of experience in any other game. Put your Money where your mouth is.
Join the Tournament, sign on with a team and play. Its free and it costs you less than 10 dollars on ebay, another reason why older games are far superior on a monetary level.

http://mwc2012.proboards.com/index.cgi

 

[lacktheknack]

Is this just too far over people's heads? Maybe I should post a "why Obsidian is better than Bioware thread" or "why JRPGs suck"

No, your point just sucks.

I simply prefer better graphics (because they're better), and I never play "myself" in a game. Why play myself when I could be somebody else? That's why I play games.

Also, any RPG worth its salt has character customization, so that point is moot. If you want to play yourself in a story-driven third-person game, I think you misunderstand what "story-driven" entails.

Also, where do you get off proclaiming that old graphics are inherently better than new ones, give us ONE (flawed) POINT to your argument, then accuse US of being shallow?

 

[Aeonknight]

snip

If I'm the 10 year old, how come I'm not the one resorting to petty insults? Food for thought.

When I say I haven't touched a mouse in years, I was refering to my particular MMO. Of course I use a mouse to play different games, but this one happens to be in that 10% you mentioned. And that point was only to refute your little "herp derp you click click click to farm for loincloths hypocrite!" remark. Way to take it out of context.

And what makes you think you can judge entire genre's on the merit of one game? No single game is capable of representing the thousands of others that exist in any particular genre. Using Call of Duty, a mainstream title to represent any/all audiences, including niche ones? Are you fucking high?

Your answer to FPS's all being "shoot tha terrorist!": Half Life 2. Immersive, decent story, definately not typical, and still has comparable graphics to the standards of today.

Your answer to all RPG's being LOTR clones? Dark Souls. Immersive as hell, a story that you actually have to look for yourself, good graphics.

So by all means, keep those nostalgia goggles duct taped to your pretty little head. If playing ancient games gives you immersion, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But try actually playing what you're trying to stereotype next time, otherwise expect to get called out on it.

Herp derp yourself, nice try using my argument as yours. Only immersion from stories ive heard is the comedic one comming from the posts I read from you. maybe you don't understand the term "few examples" but then agaist I should not have expected more from a console peasant such as yourself.

Sad thing about stereotypes in the gaming world, is that 90% of the time they are true including how desperate you are to the point of generalising that I dont play new games
myself. Better Luck next time and if you want to actually convince me perhaps try 1v1 me in myth 2. Id love to see 100% of my army in tact from the shocking purchase of units for the map type you pick and woeful tactics. Even after 4 years playing this game, pro's can get beaten by begginers from sheer luck and it took me three months to master all the tricks.

You do not, get this kind of experience in any other game. Put your Money where your mouth is.
Join the Tournament, sign on with a team and play. Its free and it costs you less than 10 dollars on ebay, another reason why older games are far superior on a monetary level.

http://mwc2012.proboards.com/index.cgi

Ok I was kidding when I asked if you were high, but now that you've challenged me to a battle on your game, maybe I was dead on. You are seriously trying to throw your epeen around on your game? Wow, I would say this is new, but it isn't. I just never thought someone would be so stupid as to actually try. What makes you think I'd waste even 1 dollar on you?

console peasant. Cute. You can't really play the PC elitism card when your game could run on a TI-86 calculator bro. Just sayin'.

So the only thing noteworthy from your post is "nuh uh! new games ain't immersive!", an lolPCelitism remark, and an even more lawl worthy challenge to your game of pixelated mess vs pixelated mess. Yea I think I'm done with you.

and cue the "hurr hurr knew he wouldn't play against me" remark. Really could care less at this point. Your game doesn't justify your nonexistant arguement, I knew you were trolling 3 posts ago, and I'm done feeding you.

 

[Ryotknife]

other than making up my own voices for characters in old 8 bit games in my head....there is no other imagination required for older games compared to newer games.

and hell, if you really are stuck on this point, stop playing video games and just read books (which requires even MORE imagination). games are apparently not for you.

 

[lacktheknack]

edit: wat? Freaking tabs, how do they work? Ignore this.

 

[evilneko]

-herpderp-

lulz

I know I said I was outta here, but I'm glad I peeked back. The back and forth between you two has been highly amusing, especially these last two posts. Seriously.

 

[Durgiun]

Case in point for the OP, Corruption of Champions (WARNING If you're weirded out by non-standard fetishes, don't try to play that game).

The game is just text and the player gets to envision all the characters the way they want. And it's a hell of a lot more fun than looking them up on the internet and having someone's vision of them corrupt your own.

 

[Aeonknight]

-herpderp-

lulz

I know I said I was outta here, but I'm glad I peeked back. The back and forth between you two has been highly amusing, especially these last two posts. Seriously.

Glad at least someone got something from it. Also you get an internet for using Konata. Because it's Konata.

 

[kingthrall]

snip

If I'm the 10 year old, how come I'm not the one resorting to petty insults? Food for thought.

When I say I haven't touched a mouse in years, I was refering to my particular MMO. Of course I use a mouse to play different games, but this one happens to be in that 10% you mentioned. And that point was only to refute your little "herp derp you click click click to farm for loincloths hypocrite!" remark. Way to take it out of context.

And what makes you think you can judge entire genre's on the merit of one game? No single game is capable of representing the thousands of others that exist in any particular genre. Using Call of Duty, a mainstream title to represent any/all audiences, including niche ones? Are you fucking high?

Your answer to FPS's all being "shoot tha terrorist!": Half Life 2. Immersive, decent story, definately not typical, and still has comparable graphics to the standards of today.

Your answer to all RPG's being LOTR clones? Dark Souls. Immersive as hell, a story that you actually have to look for yourself, good graphics.

So by all means, keep those nostalgia goggles duct taped to your pretty little head. If playing ancient games gives you immersion, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But try actually playing what you're trying to stereotype next time, otherwise expect to get called out on it.

Herp derp yourself, nice try using my argument as yours. Only immersion from stories ive heard is the comedic one comming from the posts I read from you. maybe you don't understand the term "few examples" but then agaist I should not have expected more from a console peasant such as yourself.

Sad thing about stereotypes in the gaming world, is that 90% of the time they are true including how desperate you are to the point of generalising that I dont play new games
myself. Better Luck next time and if you want to actually convince me perhaps try 1v1 me in myth 2. Id love to see 100% of my army in tact from the shocking purchase of units for the map type you pick and woeful tactics. Even after 4 years playing this game, pro's can get beaten by begginers from sheer luck and it took me three months to master all the tricks.

You do not, get this kind of experience in any other game. Put your Money where your mouth is.
Join the Tournament, sign on with a team and play. Its free and it costs you less than 10 dollars on ebay, another reason why older games are far superior on a monetary level.

http://mwc2012.proboards.com/index.cgi

Ok I was kidding when I asked if you were high, but now that you've challenged me to a battle on your game, maybe I was dead on. You are seriously trying to throw your epeen around on your game? Wow, I would say this is new, but it isn't. I just never thought someone would be so stupid as to actually try. What makes you think I'd waste even 1 dollar on you?

console peasant. Cute. You can't really play the PC elitism card when your game could run on a TI-86 calculator bro. Just sayin'.

So the only thing noteworthy from your post is "nuh uh! new games ain't immersive!", an lolPCelitism remark, and an even more lawl worthy challenge to your game of pixelated mess vs pixelated mess. Yea I think I'm done with you.

and cue the "hurr hurr knew he wouldn't play against me" remark. Really could care less at this point. Your game doesn't justify your nonexistant arguement, I knew you were trolling 3 posts ago, and I'm done feeding you.

You have not even started feeding me ratio's yet so dont lie. Oh and I expected you to chicken out, your like all the rest. Dont want to put your money where your mouth is. Oh and I am nobody's bro. I am surprised you even know what a calculator is, let alone a scientific one because consoles only come with four mashable buttons.

Of course there isnt any point talking to you anyway, since you just refused my challenge like a wimp I dont see you worthy of communicating with me now.

edit: LOL kontana what the hell is a kontana sounds like a instrument used for flipping burgers.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Is this just too far over people's heads? Maybe I should post a "why Obsidian is better than Bioware thread" or "why JRPGs suck"

No, your point just sucks.

I simply prefer better graphics (because they're better), and I never play "myself" in a game. Why play myself when I could be somebody else? That's why I play games.

Also, any RPG worth its salt has character customization, so that point is moot. If you want to play yourself in a story-driven third-person game, I think you misunderstand what "story-driven" entails.

Also, where do you get off proclaiming that old graphics are inherently better than new ones, give us ONE (flawed) POINT to your argument, then accuse US of being shallow?

Where do YOU get off telling us better graphics are better?

If you read the OP properly, you'd realise I never said one plays oneself in a game, but that one can more accurately portray one's desired character in a game with simplified graphics.