Why so much hate for Sony?

[AceDiamond]

Both systems have merits, as does the Wii. We actually have a generation where we have three healthy consoles on the market, and that's something we should all be happy about.

But you can't be, because you're young and still live at home and your dad won't buy you both systems and you have to pick a "best".

- J

Just for the record, i buy my own games and consoles with my own money with planning, saving, working, and bar mitzvah money ;P

But i'm not sure if this count's as "motion sensing control" but the Eyetoy for the PS2 came out WAAAYY before the Wii's controller. Just like to throw that in there because i'm sure everyone forgot about that.

While you have a point there's the aforementioned Power Glove (as crappy as it was) and technically I think there's a vast difference between using a motion-sensing remote and acting like every person who's ever been to the camcorders section of an electronics store.

 

[Jumplion]

We could do a "Why so much hate for Nintendo" and a "Why so much hate for Microsoft" or even "Why so much hate for Company X" its almost impossible to name a company that people don't hate someway (exceptions are charity organizations etc.)

Let's be honest, does anyone really hate Nintendo the same way people hate Sony? Probably not, but the reason i started this thread was because i was noticing alot of "Anti-Sony" people around (everywhere, not just at the Escapist) and everytime someone says something about M$ someone else says something about Sony and then some.

From my experience, most of the hate is usually directed at Sony/PS3 and i just wanted to know why. I could be wrong and that most of the hate is actually directed to M$, but from what i've read and seen most of the shit is thrown at Sony.

 

[klarax]

to me i think PS3 is the best console out.

It has:
Free Online
Most Powerful
The feel of the PS2 Controller which most of us are used to
Contains a Blue-Ray player ( Good since HD-DVD's are kinda on the way out )
Has Final Fantasy coming out for it, and only it (good if you like the series)
Can move the console around without it damaging
backward compatibility (granted not all versions)

And personally, i preffer the type of games that are to be released on the console. Im not a big fan of First person shooters, or sport games, which is 90% of xbox's games....

I do hate the way that sony have left MS buy all out all the companies to say that the game is on xbox (timed release) with no mention of it on ps3, yet secretly it'll also be out for PS3 in like a month or 2, along with PC no doubt.

 

[klarax]

Whichever way you really slice it, the Ps3 is the current Generations best equivilant of the Dreamcast. Whether it will follow the same route is really anyones guess.

lol. i thought that about the 360 when it came out. You know, because they came out early and all that...

 

[FireFox170]

I have an xbox 360 and a wii, I have 3 games for the xbox, somewhere around 13 for the wii, I dunno, I don't want to sit down and count...I'll stick to PC gaming though. I can play CoD4 with all settings maxed out, Mass Effect for PC as well, plus I have an ass load of games for my PC, at least over 50, counting the oldies (which I can still play), nothing like beating Grim Fandango 5 times, just because it's such an awesome game. Then there's the Battlefield Franchise (Battlefield 1942, Battlefield Vietnam, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142) plus the community can create mods for the games. You can't beat modified content to make it better. I play xbox 360 and my Wii occasionally, but 80% of my time is spent on my computer.

 

[Fools Paradise]

Whichever way you really slice it, the Ps3 is the current Generations best equivilant of the Dreamcast. Whether it will follow the same route is really anyones guess.

lol the dreamcast didn't die because it was a bad console (in fact it was far better than the ps2 and xbox), it died because sega stole most of it's innards and they got sued each way till Sunday. Also if you want to talk about bricked machines then the 360 got nothing on the dreamcasts.

 

[Kshandamionreal]

Umm?? The normal controllers are $50 too. I'm not sure how you can bother to imply that "dual-shock" controllers are a rip off, when they are the same price...

And, I'll take a firmware screw up anyway over a 33% failure rate, and horrid customer service .

Also, that last line you wrote... Well, next time keep your OPINION to yourself . Thank you

But normal controllers COME with the system, as in you're not just buying a console with no device to use it with. The Sixaxis came with the package (if not chalk up another mistake for Sony) while Dualshock 3 came unfashionably later. Maybe I got a good deal, but I didn't have to hand over $50 for another PS2 controller.

The Red Ring of Death is one more example how ALL new Microsoft or otherwise freshly released consoles have some rushed mistake. Pre-'03 X-Boxes were a fire hazard and one of my friends almost got shot in the face with some kind of pin that fired out of his Playstation.

And yeah, I said "brick" because despite the PS3 initially seemingly appealing to someone who had the Playstation, Playstation 2 and seemed dead-set on getting the new gen, Sony apparently did everything in its power to make the fanbase hate them for the reason I previously stated. Mass Effect was already gaining my interest, but GTA IV was the nail in the coffin from the the DLC to the 360 controller NOT having marshmallow shoulder buttons. I was ready to hate on Microsoft the minute I saw Bill Gates having it cover his face like the Terminator and talking about how he'd sic Halo 3 to steal the PS3's thunder (Bungee's reaction was priceless,) but let's face it Sony REPEATEDLY kicked themselves in the groin this time around and are now hoping to spend the next decade trying to recover.

 

[TheLoneOne]

the main reason for all the hate is because nobody wants to make the mistake of purchasing the wrong system, because some people can't afford more than one. so, they're gonna fight tooth and nail to justify their decision and bash the competition.

Personally, Sony's made some mistakes, but so has Nintendo and Microsoft. Now, to those who said that Sony's stealin ideas from other people, just take a look at their direct competition. Microsoft said that consumers weren't interested in HD. now look... if I'm not mistaken, all 360's have HDMI ports. and of course, they're releasing a Wii-style controller. and people keep saying how much better XBL is over PSN. but people need to keep in mind that this is Sony's first REAL attempt at online play. XBL's been aruond for almost 8 years. Microsoft's had time to get the kinks out. But Sony's gettin there.

in the end, Nintendo's currently on top, Microsoft's still having hardware issues, and Sony's still catching hell for whatever reason. it's how it is... so quit bitchin and enjoy the console you own. because if you gotta put down someone else's decision to make you feel better about your purchase decision, maybe, you need to sell your system because that just means you have doubts.

 

[Kshandamionreal]

1. Yeah, the boomerang controller was weird but atleast they tried :\
2. The PS3 is actually cheap considering what you get for it and how it's priced, especially the $400 one you get pretty much everything minus a few features that don't matter too much (if you already have a PS2 then you wouldn't need BC)
3. I don't know if GTA4 was an exclusive to begin with, but I personally thought that Ressistance was Sony's first killer app even if it was pretty average it was still the best game when it came out.
4. Not every game HAS to use the SIXAXIS, i just find it a nice treat every now and again if the developers decide to use it. It's usually not the main focus of the developers but from what i've experienced with it it gets the job done.
5. The whole "Ruble is last-gen" thing was just a coverup from the lawsuit that the people who made the Dualshock controllers gave Sony. Believe me, they would have included rumble if they could but the whole lawsuit really took a blow to them. Though i'm sure that 360 controllers are also $50, but if not they would eventually equal that when you have to replace the batteries or unless you get a charging station. Same thing with the Wiimotes.
6. Regular controller with no rumble= $50. Controller WITH rumble= $55. You're basically just paying 5 extra dollers for rumble, that's a pretty good deal considering you still get motion control AND a brand new controler.
7. Depending on how much you think is "a lot" then the PS3 is being bricked a lot. I've had no problems with my PS3 and i've read all over the gaming webz and everyone i've seen so far has no problems with their PS3. The only thing i'm pissed off about right now is that until they put the update back up, i can't earn the trophys ;_;

Just wanted to point those out, hope i didn't sound to much like a fanboy >_>;

1. Tried at what? It looks impressive, but like all the gimmick controllers for the PS2 (RE chainsaw and Wu Tang "W") it seems better as a conversation piece than true controller.
2. But the "cheap" version wasn't really cheap until a price cut or two otherwise it was still more expensive than the 360 and ESPECIALLY the Wii.
3. Considering the previous GTAs (from 3 to SA) were casually ported to the PC then maybe the X-Box with no major changes besides a graphical touch-up, the fact that 4 was now more hyped for the 360 than PS3 meant Sony would have to do some waiting for their own killer app. As far as Killswitch goes, that game shot itself in the foot declaring itself as the "Halo Killer" much like how Saints Row thinks it can kill GTA.
4. As a regular controller it probably does fine, but like the Wii when you're hyped as motion-sensitive, you'd better consistently deliver and Lair didn't.
5. Cover-up or not, Sony said it and said it in such a cocky way that they only attracted more trouble than deflected it. I'm no PR guy, but when you gamers and even developers (Kojima) are counting on a vibrating controller, say anything, but discredit what people count on.
6. But has it become packaged with any of the PS3s yet? This is an actual question not sarcasm. If it still comes separately then Sony is still trying to pointlessly stick to the "Rumble is last-gen" motto.
7.I should probably clarify that the PS3's not just a "brick" in the sense of failures, but also that it didn't have any key exclusives until MGS4 came out and that its a brick in the sense that its also big and black like the old X-Box, which also was a factor in Japan when you consider typical Japanese apartment size. The PS3 is more like old X-box in the sense that debuted as the most expensive and geared toward the older, hardcore gamers while the 360 has the all-ages variety whether its a Final Fantasy-like JRPG or shooting aliens, hookers or alien hookers XD

If I come off snotty, I'm not trying to, but I expected disagreeing responses, which is more ironic to me because I would've been right along with you 3 or so years ago, but Sony made like a pro-wrestler and turned heel on me right when I still wanted to buy the merchandise.

 

[michaev]

Sony deserve the credit they got for the ps1 and ps2, who cares if they boasted about it. Not everyone wants to go for the underdog when paying large amounts of money for consoles...anyone who bought a Dreamcast along with me will agree.

Nowadays people want to make sure they are spending their money wisely, and in my opinion, Sony do this.

At the moment the field is a bit more even, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think that people who have owned a ps1 and ps2 will continue with the ps3, and people who took a gamble when the xbox came out will continue with the 360.

 

[Jumplion]

1. Tried at what? It looks impressive, but like all the gimmick controllers for the PS2 (RE chainsaw and Wu Tang "W") it seems better as a conversation piece than true controller.
2. But the "cheap" version wasn't really cheap until a price cut or two otherwise it was still more expensive than the 360 and ESPECIALLY the Wii.
3. Considering the previous GTAs (from 3 to SA) were casually ported to the PC then maybe the X-Box with no major changes besides a graphical touch-up, the fact that 4 was now more hyped for the 360 than PS3 meant Sony would have to do some waiting for their own killer app. As far as Killswitch goes, that game shot itself in the foot declaring itself as the "Halo Killer" much like how Saints Row thinks it can kill GTA.
4. As a regular controller it probably does fine, but like the Wii when you're hyped as motion-sensitive, you'd better consistently deliver and Lair didn't.
5. Cover-up or not, Sony said it and said it in such a cocky way that they only attracted more trouble than deflected it. I'm no PR guy, but when you gamers and even developers (Kojima) are counting on a vibrating controller, say anything, but discredit what people count on.
6. But has it become packaged with any of the PS3s yet? This is an actual question not sarcasm. If it still comes separately then Sony is still trying to pointlessly stick to the "Rumble is last-gen" motto.
7.I should probably clarify that the PS3's not just a "brick" in the sense of failures, but also that it didn't have any key exclusives until MGS4 came out and that its a brick in the sense that its also big and black like the old X-Box, which also was a factor in Japan when you consider typical Japanese apartment size. The PS3 is more like old X-box in the sense that debuted as the most expensive and geared toward the older, hardcore gamers while the 360 has the all-ages variety whether its a Final Fantasy-like JRPG or shooting aliens, hookers or alien hookers XD

If I come off snotty, I'm not trying to, but I expected disagreeing responses, which is more ironic to me because I would've been right along with you 3 or so years ago, but Sony made like a pro-wrestler and turned heel on me right when I still wanted to buy the merchandise.

eh, wth.

1. Well, people are complaining that Sony is stealing ideas and all that crap I even read some people said that the controller is just a rip off of the SNES controller with shoulder buttons, analog sticks and a new shape. well OF COURSE it is! what else can they do? So when they tried something new with their controller to make it a bit more theirs everyone starts complaining and they have to change it back. What irony >_>

2. Even so, the original priced $600 was insanely cheap for what you got but people kept on gawking at the price because people probably thought of the PS3 as a PS2 with many games and a dvd drive for extra. People were thinking of the PS3 to have great games right away like the PS2 but who really used the PS2 as an extensive DVD player? And now for the disc player to be the center of the console people were turned off by that.

3. GTA4 was hyped more for the 360 than the PS3? Well, i wouldn't be surprised considering that M$ pays for all the advertising and has all of those "big tough manly games" (which is also ironic considering the first GTA4 commercial i saw was for the PS3)

4. I didn't know that the SIXAXIS was hyped, i just thought of it as a nice treat for developers to work with if they wanted. Plus i wasn't going to get lair anway.

5. Yeah, they probably could have worded those statements of "Rumble is last-gen" a bit better, or better yet just go out and say their problem. But i'm positive if they said what was going on then everyone would be all over their asses and things would be said.

6. The rumble (I believe) is packed with some of the MGS4 bundles. Other than that i can't think of any other ones. It's great for people who are buying a PS3 for MGS4 with the bundle.

7. *shudders* now i'm going to have "fantasies" with alien hookers from Mass Effect >_>;

 

[shatnershaman]

I could be wrong and that most of the hate is actually directed to M$, but from what i've read and seen most of the shit is thrown at Sony.

Take a tally for how many say "M$" versus "Sorny".

 

[Jumplion]

I could be wrong and that most of the hate is actually directed to M$, but from what i've read and seen most of the shit is thrown at Sony.

Take a tally for how many say "M$" versus "Sorny".

It would be locked before you could even say "Console War".