Why so much hate for the Wii U?

[JacksonDemolition]

Today I went on the MyNintendoNews website to find out the latest happenings with the Wii U and Nintendo in general. I saw that Rocksteady is making a new batman game. The catch is, its not coming to the Wii U. I checked the comments to find... a lot of hate for the Wii U by Sony/Microsoft fans. The comments ranged from calling Nintendo a kiddie console maker and dismissing the tablet as just a gimmick. Well, here is the thing. You don't have to buy it. So why the hatred? When you could just as easily ignore it?

 

[Liquidprid3]

Nice profile pic, I love the Mother series.

OT: People love to hate. Simple as that. Many complaints about the Wii U are valid, yes, but they have been said a million times. However, there is some sort of satisfaction about anonymously comaplaining about something. I don't get it, but I too feel that when I argue on the Internet. The only reason I don't have a Wii U is because it doesn't have that many games.

Off-Topic: It's strange how many Nintendo games, as of recent, have been rehash of their older titles. However, the Wii U gimmick is something that's new, and the console is much different from the competitors. However, it seems that PS4 and Xbox One games are trying something different, while the consoles themselves have a very similar feeling to last gen. Just an observation.

 

[JacksonDemolition]

Nice profile pic, I love the Mother series.

OT: People love to hate. Simple as that. Many complaints about the Wii U are valid, yes, but they have been said a million times. However, there is some sort of satisfaction about anonymously comaplaining about something. I don't get it, but I too feel that when I argue on the Internet. The only reason I don't have a Wii U is because it doesn't have that many games.

Off-Topic: It's strange how many Nintendo games, as of recent, have been rehash of their older titles. However, the Wii U gimmick is something that's new, and the console is much different from the competitors. However, it seems that PS4 and Xbox One games are trying something different, while the consoles themselves have a very similar feeling to last gen. Just an observation.

Good observation! I too love the Mother series.

 

[Roxas1359]

Nintendo "hate" as it is called often depends on what the claims being made are. There are some claims that are valid to call the Wii U out on, for example Nintendo's complete lack of care for advertising the system, but then there are claims that are dumb such as Nintendo will go bankrupt because of the Wii U. Now something I've noticed here a lot more lately is, unless you say only positive things about any of the consoles, even if it is a valid criticism, then you apparently hate the company's guts and want them to go bankrupt. This applies to all the consoles and PC, as I've seen Nintendo fans jump on people for not praising Nintendo to the heavens just like how I've seen Sony, Microsoft, and PC fans do the same.

As for the Wii U, right now it is in a very bad situation, Iwata himself has said that, and it honestly seems like they aren't doing anything to really fix that other than saying "Wii U is in a bad shape and we need to do better." Thing is, we all know Nintendo can do way better with advertising the thing to disspell the notion that the Wii U isn't just an expensive GamePad add-on for the Wii, which is still a problem apparently and Nintendo even made an add to try and fix any confusion. However, it seems that they've honestly not changed anything much when it comes to it, because advertising for the system is still completely non-existent to the point in which one must question are they even trying at all?

Remember, Nintendo were the ones who gave everyone a plethora of these ads last gen, so they should know how to advertise:

 

[JacksonDemolition]

Nintendo "hate" as it is called often depends on what the claims being made are. There are some claims that are valid to call the Wii U out on, for example Nintendo's complete lack of care for advertising the system, but then there are claims that are dumb such as Nintendo will go bankrupt because of the Wii U. Now something I've noticed here a lot more lately is, unless you say only positive things about any of the consoles, even if it is a valid criticism, then you apparently hate the company's guts and want them to go bankrupt. This applies to all the consoles and PC, as I've seen Nintendo fans jump on people for not praising Nintendo to the heavens just like how I've seen Sony, Microsoft, and PC fans do the same.

As for the Wii U, right now it is in a very bad situation, Iwata himself has said that, and it honestly seems like they aren't doing anything to really fix that other than saying "Wii U is in a bad shape and we need to do better." Thing is, we all know Nintendo can do way better with advertising the thing to disspell the notion that the Wii U isn't just an expensive GamePad add-on for the Wii, which is still a problem apparently and Nintendo even made an add to try and fix any confusion. However, it seems that they've honestly not changed anything much when it comes to it, because advertising for the system is still completely non-existent to the point in which one must question are they even trying at all?

Remember, Nintendo were the ones who gave everyone a plethora of these ads last gen, so they should know how to
advertise:

Yeah, I agree. They should really advertise more. The Wii U is in a weird state in the moment. People aren't making games because of low sales, low sales is the reason its not getting games. Where did all the money from the Wii go? And there are also lots of valid criticisms for it. But the reason I am complaining is because of the people who hate the Wii U because its not like its competitors and overreacting when a certain game isn't on the Wii U. Saying phrases like "NintenDOOMED" and "WEAK U". And BTW, they should do more of those "Wii Would Like to Play" commercials.

 

[Roxas1359]

Yeah, I agree. They should really advertise more. The Wii U is in a weird state in the moment. People aren't making games because of low sales, low sales is the reason its not getting games. Where did all the money from the Wii go? And there are also lots of valid criticisms for it. But the reason I am complaining is because of the people who hate the Wii U because its not like its competitors and overreacting when a certain game isn't on the Wii U. Saying phrases like "NintenDOOMED" and "WEAK U".

Nintendo is mainly sitting on the remaining Wii money right now, because they believed that the same crowd that bought the Wii would buy the Wii U, and they were dead wrong. Not to mention that Nintendo also took a hit when the 3DS launched, and they had to do a bunch of stuff until the 3DS is now stable and strong. Thing is though, they need to focus a little less on the 3DS now, and more on the Wii U. Hell most Nintendo Directs have content for the 3DS vastly outnumbering the content for the Wii U, which really isn't good in hindsight. As for the whole "NintenDOOMED" thing, that's been around for ages, and coincidentally no one seems to remember similar calling outs for when Sony first entered the market, the huge botched launch of the PS3 that took years to recover, or even the amounts of Microsoft is doomed that went around before the Xbox One first came out.

What people notice more is, if it's the company or console they like they will notice more people saying that the company is "doomed" than there are actual people saying there are. Not to mention, what will gain more views, someone reporting how well a company is doing or reporting on the short comings? Most of the time, it's gonna be the latter one. And hell, the one thing I recommend when seeing comments like that, ignore them, seriously just glance over them and put them out of your mind. I did that a lot with the PS3 at it's launch, and I did it with the GameCube as well. If you constantly obsess about other people's opinions though, or try to rationalize why they might not like something then it's not gonna really work.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Yeah, I agree. They should really advertise more. The Wii U is in a weird state in the moment. People aren't making games because of low sales, low sales is the reason its not getting games. Where did all the money from the Wii go? And there are also lots of valid criticisms for it. But the reason I am complaining is because of the people who hate the Wii U because its not like its competitors and overreacting when a certain game isn't on the Wii U. Saying phrases like "NintenDOOMED" and "WEAK U". And BTW, they should do more of those "Wii Would Like to Play" commercials.

The money they made from the Wii is in their bank accounts. They just don't waste it like their peers who, as we've seen, seem to be more interested in bankrupting themselves than keeping jobs. They have better things to do with their money than waste it.

Anyway, the hatred I've seen for Nintendo has ALWAYS baffled me. Okay, you say you don't want to buy Nintendo consoles. Fine. Your relationship with them is DONE at that point. Move on. There is no logical reason for you to be sulking over it and no amount of "well, they should be concerned because I'm a potential customer!" bullshit excuses justifies it. Don't keep doing this tsundere act of pacing in front of the lawn trying to get Nintendo's attention, it just sends mixed signals. Heck, I think that's part of the reason Nintendo is so damn confused with so-called "hardcore" gamers; when the consumers themselves are never clear or consistent about what they want (though in all honesty giving them what they "want" has never turned out well) then it renders it quite difficult for Nintendo to respond properly.

 

[Roxas1359]

Heck, I think that's part of the reason Nintendo is so damn confused with so-called "hardcore" gamers; when the consumers themselves are never clear or consistent about what they want (though in all honesty giving them what they "want" has never turned out well) then it renders it quite difficult for Nintendo to respond properly.

Except Nintendo's main demographic is kids isn't it? That's what people on this site keep saying, and I don't think kids are giving mixed signals much. You can blame "hardcores" (hate that term) as much as you want, but the fact still remains that all consumers, even the ones that bought the Wii U, aren't consistent. Hell, look at the Wonderful 101, a new IP that many Wii U owners and people were touting as being a killer app, and look at how badly it flopped in the market (which made me sad). Sure it didn't sell consoles like some had hoped, but even then there weren't that many people who owned the Wii U that seemed to have bought the game either, as even now it's sold what 200k copies?

 

[Cerebrawl]

I know I've seen a great analysis of why the Wii is a step back for Nintendo, basically boiling it down to it being gimicky for the sake of being gimicky, while also trying to appeal to hardcore gamers, with a big clunky control with lots of buttons, where the Wii with its intuitive easy to pick up controls for casuals and people who don't game much gave it a much broader appeal, it was the family entertainment system for everyone, and the Wii U, it's just an Xbox/Playstation hardcore wannabe, without the publisher support of its rivals. It's no longer got mass market appeal, it's not appealing to the family and casual market, and the market it's trying to appeal to prefer its competitors. That and the branding problems where a lot of Nintendo's former casual market still think it's just a tablet peripheral for the Wii, and alienating 3rd party developers, and you got a recepie for bad sales.

I want to say it's MrBtongue or Errant Signal that made the analysis, but can't find it. It's someone similar though.

It's not going to sink Nintendo, they've got too much money, similarly to Microsoft, it's going to take a few more problems than that to bankrupt the company, but if they alienate their market, and have one or two more failed consoles afterwards, they might just end up having to cut their losses and withdraw from the hardware business, like Sega before them, or at least become a handheld-only company, abandoning the home console market.

 

[VG_Addict]

You know how it is with console wars. Fanboys having pissing contests over which piece of hardware is better.

I don't know where people get the idea that ONE console failure will bankrupt Nintendo, when Sony lost billions on the PS3 last gen, and Microsoft has yet to make a profit on the XBOX division. And before you say, "Sony and Microsoft do more than just games!", keep in mind that Sony's losing money in MANY of their divisions.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I don't know where people get the idea that ONE console failure will bankrupt Nintendo

Like I said - in other words - in a similar thread of yours, the Wii U fiasco is a symptom, not a sickness.
I couldn't hate it if I wanted to though, it's gone completely over me. It's gone completely over a lot of people.

 

[Zhukov]

When you could just as easily ignore it?

I do. Frequently and successfully.

I do my thing, Nintendo does their thing, and never the twain shall meet.

In fact, about the only time I think about the WiiU is when someone starts saying, "Omigosh, why do you all hate the WiiU so much?!"

 

[Casual Shinji]

In fact, about the only time I think about the WiiU is when someone starts saying, "Omigosh, why do you all hate the WiiU so much?!"

Pretty much.

When's the last time you saw a thread titled 'This is why the Wii-U sucks' or 'Nintendo is for dumb babies'?

It's the fans that incessantly keep asking 'Why won't you like the Wii-U/Nintendo?', and then complain when they don't like the answers people are giving. Just stop these constant "Wii-U/Nintendo sympathy" threads and the "hate" will die down as well, at least here.

 

[Tanis]

Because it's easier to hate something than it is to love something?
At least on the internet net.

 

[krazykidd]

Frankly, the only flaw is the lack of games
   

That's a pretty damn big flaw for a,you know, gaming console.

OT: there is a lot of valid complaints, but the lack of games is my bigest one. I like games, not announcement of games to come.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

I know I've seen a great analysis of why the Wii is a step back for Nintendo, basically boiling it down to it being gimicky for the sake of being gimicky, while also trying to appeal to hardcore gamers, with a big clunky control with lots of buttons, where the Wii with its intuitive easy to pick up controls for casuals and people who don't game much gave it a much broader appeal, it was the family entertainment system for everyone, and the Wii U, it's just an Xbox/Playstation hardcore wannabe, without the publisher support of its rivals. It's no longer got mass market appeal, it's not appealing to the family and casual market, and the market it's trying to appeal to prefer its competitors. That and the branding problems where a lot of Nintendo's former casual market still think it's just a tablet peripheral for the Wii, and alienating 3rd party developers, and you got a recepie for bad sales.

I want to say it's MrBtongue or Errant Signal that made the analysis, but can't find it. It's someone similar though.

It's not going to sink Nintendo, they've got too much money, similarly to Microsoft, it's going to take a few more problems than that to bankrupt the company, but if they alienate their market, and have one or two more failed consoles afterwards, they might just end up having to cut their losses and withdraw from the hardware business, like Sega before them, or at least become a handheld-only company, abandoning the home console market.

....We've discussed this over and over again: they're never going to abandon the hardware market. It's about time people get over that because it's freaking annoying seeing peope spout to exact same thing over and over again thinking somehow it'll be right THIS time. It's like watching those apocalyptic doomsayers who have been saying Doomsday will happen next week. For the past two-thousand years.

 

[Foolery]

Frankly, the only flaw is the lack of games
   

That's a pretty damn big flaw for a,you know, gaming console.

OT: there is a lot of valid complaints, but the lack of games is my bigest one. I like games, not announcement of games to come.

Did I ever say it was a small flaw? Did I, at any point, say that it was a good console because it only had that one flaw?

No. I said it's the only flaw, which is true.

Not quite so. Region locking. Archaic nonsense that needs to be done away with. It would vastly improve people's experience on Nintendo systems. Especially for localizations that never happen. And it really makes no sense on the 3DS. It's a portable system. You can take it anywhere, including other countries.

 

[verdant monkai]

you could just as easily ignore it?

I personally dont hate on the Wii U and plan to buy one at some point.

If as you said people just ignored it, then Nintendo would have less of an idea on what to improve. They hopefully do some market research... and if the overwhelming feeling is that the Wii U is a shit console for kids and hard core Nintendo fans. Then they will take notice and do something about it, like try and get more 3rd party developers involved. Like Koei with Hyrule warriors.

Life isn't all smiles and gumdrops and its a lot better for it. If we treated Nintendo like a friend we didn't want to offend then the Wii U wouldn't improve at all, dont worry about Nintendo's feelings they are a bloody company. Constructive criticism is vital to the improvement of products. Sure we don't need immature criticisms! the ideal thing to do would be to say what you don't like and what you would like, so Nintendo could get rid of the bad and focus on the good.