Why so much PC gamer hate recently?
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I don't have a particularly fond opinion of Zynga, but they're definitely kicking around something which is insanely popular.Chibz said:
I took the recumbent bike analogy to be about someone who enjoys a fringe activity, but goes to great lengths to convince people that it's the best way to experience something.
When it comes to AAA gaming, PC Gamers seem to be wearing that crown... but if you look at it from a slightly different angle, PC gaming is far more popular and widespread than console gaming has ever been. Doesn't matter if Halo 3 sold more copies than Half-Life... WoW, Starcraft, and Farmville laugh at such meager achievements.
You seem to have missed the point entirely. Zynga games ARE casual gaming. The success of Zynga (and similar companies) is doing nothing but assist in changing what we think a video game is, in a very real and negative way. WoW does the same thing, but to a MUCH less severe and negative way. Compared to farmville Halo 3's sales is a small achievement in general scale, but really... That's like saying "Releasing a successful type of cold medicine is nothing compared to convincing people that shooting themselves in the foot cures the cold."Netrigan said:
I lol @ your bland assertions.Chibz said:
Casual Gaming opens the market, it doesn't mean it's going to dominate it.
It's the same thing people say about Newspapers.
"Oh, News Papers are dying out! Ipad and Murdoch all the way lololol!"
Except every week 20 million newspapers are sold in Australia alone. Every week.
And given estimates, there are probably about 50 million readers for those 20 million sold when you consider papers are shared in households, universities, at cafes and some restaurants.
The outside market will grow, will look for different games, but the core market, those hardcore PC gamers, they will make demands and companies will meet them because there will always be a sizeable market looking for a serious, well developed, well made PC game.
Any business which ignores the huge potential of being one of the few minority providers for this market is a shit business.
Also, Next-Gen consoles have the potential to do more damage to gaming than any amount of Zynga.
Achievements are finally maturing, with real, tangible effects on gameplay as opposed to e-cock measuring exercises, but the emphasis for consoles is still around multi-player and social interaction.
Doesn't sound too bad until you realise that what you're sacrificing for these are sustained worlds, rich characters and deep and engaging stories.
New game mechanics, innovations in how we approach games, are going to be shafted for accessability to a wide audience.
A gaming PC is very much an individual piece of hardware. It's for an individual user who wants to play a specific set of games.
A console is built for the family, to play games with friends, it's built for social interaction.
Casual gaming is also Angry Birds and Peggle and tons of other really fun games that everyone plays instead of doing something more productive... the Zynga style browser games are just the worst element of the entire trend. But they're also about ten times more mainstream than console gaming is.Chibz said:
Gaming has gone mainstream, but in a way that is completely at odds with how people thought it would go mainstream. As someone once joked, the new face of the hardcore gamer is a middle-age woman who spends several hours a day tending her farm in Farmville.
That we look upon her gaming choices with as much scorn as our mothers looked upon ours does not matter. To tie into my larger over-all point, console gaming is pretty much an expensive hobby. With the rise of casual gaming, video games have gotten cheaper on both the consumer and development side, and have reached a much wider audience. While Zynga is squandering that on skinner box games, it's still just the tip of the blade. The trend is going to continue to develop and we'll likely see much more fun variations on these things before too long.
And don't get me wrong, I'd love to see AAA gaming continue and thrive. I made the switch to consoles from PCs a few years back... and now have three gaming consoles (the NES was the last one I owned before now). But I also recognize the same sort of comic shop nerd elements at play in console gaming. It's either a plaything for the kids or an expensive hobby for adults. I'm not entirely convinced that the console is going to be the vehicle that delivers AAA gaming to a truly wide audience.
Well I have always had a stereotype on PC gamers that they are complete snobbish and elitist pricks. This has since changed because I have communicated with the good PC gamers who do not act like that. I think that people just have this stereotype because more often than not, the PC gamers who have this elitist complex feel the need to speak their minds about "console gaming's inferiority" seep through the cracks, and the PC gamers who do not really care and they just play on their computer just do their thing without feeling the need to start a war with people.
Heavy Duty PC people are Jerks. They think more technical games, exclusives and having a keyboard as a control is better. No one should hate PC gaming, just the boasters who make it unnapealing.
PFFT, Console Elitists....
Seriously though, that's how it is now.
Every fucking thread about games has some sort of "PCfags" or "PC Gamers suck" or "PC games are dying".
I get the sense that a lot of people here generalize all PC gamers as Elitists, I don't see why we shouldn't do the same for console gamers then.
Personally I don't care what you play on, people do what they want.
Seriously though, that's how it is now.
Every fucking thread about games has some sort of "PCfags" or "PC Gamers suck" or "PC games are dying".
I get the sense that a lot of people here generalize all PC gamers as Elitists, I don't see why we shouldn't do the same for console gamers then.
Personally I don't care what you play on, people do what they want.
Moviebob all the way, he is the one to blame, and i will blame him for all my problems this week (I needed someone to blame anyway)
I think that PC gamers (This includes mac) and console gamers need to come together and evenly split support for both and thus making both equal...
but aslong as there is elitism there will be fighting and PC gamers will always come out on top as usual (jks, lol)
I think that PC gamers (This includes mac) and console gamers need to come together and evenly split support for both and thus making both equal...
but aslong as there is elitism there will be fighting and PC gamers will always come out on top as usual (jks, lol)
This should answer your question [http://www.prisonexp.org/]; designate your own view on who are the guards and who are the prisoners.gustcq said:I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...
So why the hate ?
Oh, and on the internet, someone is biased when they don't agree with you. And elitist when they've got friends. Don't put any thought in labels.
I've been on both sides of the fence here. I started off playing on consoles when I was younger (Y'know easy control schemes and fast paced) but as I matured I started moving onto Pc games as they were more complex, had greater variety and were generally more fun a couple of years ago i also bought myself a gaming laptop, not top of the range alienware I'll admit but at £600 it cost me a fair amount, but nowadays I've slipped back into console gaming for that horrible reason of "I just can't afford to keep buying new kit when pc gaming evolves" my laptop now struggles to play modern releases, not only that but for ease of play and for the social aspect consoles are just a lot easier. Not that I'm saying Pc gaming doesn't have its place MMO's RTS' are HORRIBLE on consoles and PC gaming has a wealth of indie games which can be thousands of times more satisfying than any mainstream release ever could be. But keeping up to date on the latest PC gaming hardware is becoming more expensive making it more something for enthusiastic hobbyists than dedicated gamers.
Phew that feels better... XD (Oh and btw, I thought DA2 was amazing)
Phew that feels better... XD (Oh and btw, I thought DA2 was amazing)
PC elitists claim PC gaming is better because of all the extra functionality they get out of it giving them a more worthwhile experience than on a console but that's only really true if you assume your time is worthless.
The only reason I don't game on my PC that much any more is because it no longer runs most the old games I used to play, such as Resident Evil 2 which I love (it's XP and my understanding is that hoping the compatibility mode will work is something of a pipe dream), and I can't be bothered to upgrade not to mention am very close to broke anyway. In comparison I'm on my third 360 after the previous two suffered fatal heart attacks so I'm certainly not going to claim that it is in any way a better piece of kit. Personally I think that on the surface they're both as a big a joke as each other but I'm aware that if I could be bothered I could probably fix my PC, so in that regard it's better. However, for some a PC is a way of life and my analogy of PC elitists is that they are the equivalent of guys who dress up as wizards and run round a field so that playing Dungeons and Dragons is a more in depth experience. You may be right but most of us have to draw a line somewhere.
Btw that first line is just a joke I stole from somewhere, I forget where, I think maybe The Cleveland Show. Don't take it personally. Everything else came out of my mind so you can take that as personally as you like.
Also nobody bother telling me how I could get my games running on my PC again, I'm long past caring, I once wasted an entire day trying to sort it and I'm really not sure why having fun is better if it feels like doing work.
The only reason I don't game on my PC that much any more is because it no longer runs most the old games I used to play, such as Resident Evil 2 which I love (it's XP and my understanding is that hoping the compatibility mode will work is something of a pipe dream), and I can't be bothered to upgrade not to mention am very close to broke anyway. In comparison I'm on my third 360 after the previous two suffered fatal heart attacks so I'm certainly not going to claim that it is in any way a better piece of kit. Personally I think that on the surface they're both as a big a joke as each other but I'm aware that if I could be bothered I could probably fix my PC, so in that regard it's better. However, for some a PC is a way of life and my analogy of PC elitists is that they are the equivalent of guys who dress up as wizards and run round a field so that playing Dungeons and Dragons is a more in depth experience. You may be right but most of us have to draw a line somewhere.
Btw that first line is just a joke I stole from somewhere, I forget where, I think maybe The Cleveland Show. Don't take it personally. Everything else came out of my mind so you can take that as personally as you like.
Also nobody bother telling me how I could get my games running on my PC again, I'm long past caring, I once wasted an entire day trying to sort it and I'm really not sure why having fun is better if it feels like doing work.