Why so much PC gamer hate recently?

[Awexsome]

The people who get on my nerves are the ones that seem to think PC's are inherintly BETTER than consoles. They're not. They have advantages that consoles don't and they also have disadvantages that consoles don't. They're not better, but they are different.

And obviously I'm not going to go after someone for liking a PC better than a console. I mean I struggle with constant errors, exits, frame rate chugging, and other problems just to play some TF2 because its so fun. But a lot of PC gamers underestimate the complexity they've come to deal with as normal where to a non-PC gamer it might as well be greek to them. Kind of like the Extra Credits episode about tutorials recently.

 

[C95J]

Not PC gamers in general, just the stuck up PC gamers who think they are better than console gamers, and will criticize them at any opportunity.

 

[FinalHeart95]

PC elitists are what people are referring to, and they are quite annoying. You know, the ones that need the PC version to be better than the console version to punish console players for the insolence (or something along those lines). If all versions are equal, then the game is apparently a piece of shit.
That being said, there's nothing wrong with PC gaming itself. I have a few games on Steam myself. Nor do I have a problem with PC gamers as a whole, as there are more than a few that AREN'T elitists. It's just the damn elitists.

 

[mrhateful]

And obviously I'm not going to go after someone for liking a PC better than a console. I mean I struggle with constant errors, exits, frame rate chugging, and other problems just to play some TF2 because its so fun. But a lot of PC gamers underestimate the complexity they've come to deal with as normal where to a non-PC gamer it might as well be greek to them. Kind of like the Extra Credits episode about tutorials recently.

Complexity?? PC gamers are not using linux, so you don't need a manual to install every single program.. Actually PC have become so easy and non-complex these last few years that I do not even understand why consoles are still be used... Also the recent Extra Credits episode was the best episode in a long time... So much useful infomation! and explained so everyone could come along, so I don't really get what you mean about that episode.. or your post in general.

 

[Awexsome]

And obviously I'm not going to go after someone for liking a PC better than a console. I mean I struggle with constant errors, exits, frame rate chugging, and other problems just to play some TF2 because its so fun. But a lot of PC gamers underestimate the complexity they've come to deal with as normal where to a non-PC gamer it might as well be greek to them. Kind of like the Extra Credits episode about tutorials recently.

Complexity?? PC gamers are not using linux, so you don't need a manual to install every single program.. Actually PC have become so easy and non-complex these last few years that I do not even understand why consoles are still be used... Also the recent Extra Credits episode was the best episode in a long time... So much useful infomation! and explained so everyone could come along, so I don't really get what you mean about that episode.. or your post in general.

By referencing the episode I'm talking about how things that seem self-explanitory for someone who does PC game are completely foreign to someone who doesn't.

What's RAM? How come the "can i run it" site says that I could run TF2 but its frame rate chugs all the time even at minimum settings? It tells me my graphics card is the problem for a lot of other games I wanted to play but where is that? How do I get to it? How do I upgrade it? How much will it cost me? How good of one will I need? Ok, I just followed the tutorial on how to put a sound mod in TF2, what why isn't it working? Now it's working in this game, next day its not working.

For those in the know-how about PC gaming they can reap all the benifits they want but the amount of frustration it gives me isn't worth the advantages. Plus I grew up with only controllers since the SEGA genesis and so I think its better than a mouse and keyboard.

 

[Laxman9292]

Well, because most console owners are jelly that their mum wouldn't buy them a PC and had to settle with some wannabe dvd-player.

Or the other way around, PC gamers are jealous that their parents would not buy them a console and had to jury rig their home computers, which they already had, with the parts to play PC games.

 

[skibadaa]

Honestly, ide never come across console/PC elitism/Fanboyism until i joined the escapist.

 

[Trolldor]

I'm a smug PC gamer because PCs are superior in every way.
I have and enjoy playing my Xbox 360. The Wii. My gamecube. My nintendo 64. My PS2.
Yeah, I enjoy playing them, but the PC trumps them all.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

What's RAM?

Random Access Memory. It's where the system sticks all the stuff it needs quick/constant access to.

How come the "can i run it" site says that I could run TF2 but its frame rate chugs all the time even at minimum settings?

Because Can I Run It isn't called Can I Run It At Some Arbitrarily Defined Quality Of 'Good'. It's essentially just a database of listed minimum specs for games and publishers have some very strange ideas as to how functional said specs are.

It tells me my graphics card is the problem for a lot of other games I wanted to play but where is that?

It's in the box. Usually the PCI-E slot on the motherboard unless you've got an old clunker that still uses AGP GPU cards.

How do I get to it?

Open the box. Take a screw driver, take the screws out that hold the left sidepanel in place and slide the panel off. Sorted.

How do I upgrade it?

Pop it out the box (may have to remove a screw holding the card in place against the case), insert new GPU card.

How much will it cost me?

How long is a piece of string? Depends on what you need and where you live.

How good of one will I need?

A HD 5770 or GTX 460 will do quite nicely for most gaming at the moment.

Ok, I just followed the tutorial on how to put a sound mod in TF2, what why isn't it working?

Contact the mod team and ask them. Most mod teams are quite welcoming of feedback and will help with major technical issues. It's also possible that the mod is unstable or the tutorial was written by someone who can't write clear instructions to save their life.

For those in the know-how about PC gaming they can reap all the benifits they want

I already do but thanks for your permission. Of course, I'm not just a PC Gamer I'm also a hardware enthusiast, which is why I 'know stuff'.

By the by, you could also drop these sorts of questions in the Advice forum as there are quite a few good techheads who hang around in there. They even spec out completely new machines and get quotes on the prices of the parts for people.

 

[mrhateful]

And obviously I'm not going to go after someone for liking a PC better than a console. I mean I struggle with constant errors, exits, frame rate chugging, and other problems just to play some TF2 because its so fun. But a lot of PC gamers underestimate the complexity they've come to deal with as normal where to a non-PC gamer it might as well be greek to them. Kind of like the Extra Credits episode about tutorials recently.

Complexity?? PC gamers are not using linux, so you don't need a manual to install every single program.. Actually PC have become so easy and non-complex these last few years that I do not even understand why consoles are still be used... Also the recent Extra Credits episode was the best episode in a long time... So much useful infomation! and explained so everyone could come along, so I don't really get what you mean about that episode.. or your post in general.

By referencing the episode I'm talking about how things that seem self-explanitory for someone who does PC game are completely foreign to someone who doesn't.

What's RAM? How come the "can i run it" site says that I could run TF2 but its frame rate chugs all the time even at minimum settings? It tells me my graphics card is the problem for a lot of other games I wanted to play but where is that? How do I get to it? How do I upgrade it? How much will it cost me? How good of one will I need? Ok, I just followed the tutorial on how to put a sound mod in TF2, what why isn't it working? Now it's working in this game, next day its not working.

For those in the know-how about PC gaming they can reap all the benifits they want but the amount of frustration it gives me isn't worth the advantages. Plus I grew up with only controllers since the SEGA genesis and so I think its better than a mouse and keyboard.

Your making the classic mistake of mistaking knownledge with intelligence/complexity.

 

[silenthillXD]

Just give anyone who thinks PC's are for elitists a download for minecraft. That will show them! Anyway, I am a console player myself, partially because I have a mac (so I can't get much), partially because I prefer controllers to a mouse and keyboard (I have no idea why...who cares about pin point accuracy anyway ^^ I like a challenge) and partially because most PC exclusives are ported onto consoles anyway, the only genres which have yet to jump across fully are MMO's and RTS's and I will never be prepared to pay every month for a subscription for just one game, and RTS's in my opinion just aren't fun. So to be honest there is no reason for me to use the PC as a platform, sure some games might run smoother/look better, its just the benefits i gain from the console exclusives just work better for me. To be honest I do hate the STEREOTYPICAL PC gamer, with the whole elitism and console smashing...I just don't get it. Have a preference sure but why be so vocal, its a personal thing anyway.

But before people think I am a troll, let it be known, the normal PC gamer I have no problem with what so ever. And why wouldn't I? Its just the select few who are evil. So why scrutinise a whole group of people because of their chosen platform, its like fanboyism...and god I hate those fanboys!!

Oh yeah could anyone tell me if I could run TF2 on a macbook pro without any new graphics cards on?

 

[mrhateful]

Just give anyone who thinks PC's are for elitists a download for minecraft. That will show them! Anyway, I am a console player myself, partially because I have a mac (so I can't get much), partially because I prefer controllers to a mouse and keyboard (I have no idea why...who cares about pin point accuracy anyway ^^ I like a challenge) and partially because most PC exclusives are ported onto consoles anyway, the only genres which have yet to jump across fully are MMO's and RTS's and I will never be prepared to pay every month for a subscription for just one game, and RTS's in my opinion just aren't fun. So to be honest there is no reason for me to use the PC as a platform, sure some games might run smoother/look better, its just the benefits i gain from the console exclusives just work better for me. To be honest I do hate the STEREOTYPICAL PC gamer, with the whole elitism and console smashing...I just don't get it. Have a preference sure but why be so vocal, its a personal thing anyway.

But before people think I am a troll, let it be known, the normal PC gamer I have no problem with what so ever. And why wouldn't I? Its just the select few who are evil. So why scrutinise a whole group of people because of their chosen platform, its like fanboyism...and god I hate those fanboys!!

Oh yeah could anyone tell me if I could run TF2 on a macbook pro without any new graphics cards on?

Well about MMO's they should really not be classified as games more as hob.... wait a minute you use mac? lol

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

wait a minute you use mac? lol

Hey, don't laugh at macs, they've got dozens of uses...

Paperweight
Footstool
Doorstop
Small Boat Anchor
Blunt Instrument
etc

 

[Laxman9292]

I'm sorry PC Elitists, I really am. As secluded in your shells you plug your ears and yell, "La la la la I can't hear you!". The fact is more and more games are being made with consoles in mind first then getting ported to the PC. It is just the companies trying to appeal to a larger demographic. I understand that when someone messes with your games you get a little testy, I would too. But stop taking it out on fellow gamers just because they play on a console. Stop living in a fantasy world of a bygone (or at least fading) world where PC gamers come first in the eyes of developers. Stop acting like such enormous pricks to fellow gamers about it. ***** about it to devs and people who matter. Saying it to us just makes you into a gigantic douchers. These kind of flame wars would not happen if you guys would just get in line or at least stop being jerks about it. Yes you play on a PC, congratulations, what does saying that accomplish? I eat only the finest caviar, anyone who eats something else is just the worst and has no taste in food at all.... See? It is just making a basic statement that no one else could really care about.

So please, Elitists, stop complaining about something that most of us could care less about. Take it to the makers of your games. It is about time that we all just agree to be gamers, just gamers?

 

[mrhateful]

I'm sorry PC Elitists, I really am. As secluded in your shells you plug your ears and yell, "La la la la I can't hear you!"...........

you should know basic capitalism says that companies create what people want, so you are wrong in saying PC Gamers shouldn't complain to the people... Also what are you talking about pc games are just games ported from consoles?? Was Amnesia ported, was DA2 ported(DA2 was ported from pc to console), was Starcraft 2 ported... maybe its the games your playing that you saw got ported but honestly even if I could play Halo or my little pony or what ever you console players play, I wouldn't want to play them because most of them suck anyway, and leave you no real difficulty other then mashing random buttons and see what happens(how many console fps doesn't have auto aim these days).

 

[Laxman9292]

Uuuuh... I didn't say it wasn't a Bioware game or an RPG, I just expressed my opinion.
Which is: I don't like DA2 as a Bioware game or an RPG, but I still like it
Apart from that I agree with your points.

I must admit I am confused. As a Bioware RPG what do you like it as if not as a Bioware production or an RPG? A series of flashing lights and appealing colors?

 

[mrhateful]

Uuuuh... I didn't say it wasn't a Bioware game or an RPG, I just expressed my opinion.
Which is: I don't like DA2 as a Bioware game or an RPG, but I still like it
Apart from that I agree with your points.

I must admit I am confused. As a Bioware RPG what do you like it as if not as a Bioware production or an RPG? A series of flashing lights and appealing colors?

What I think he means is: Its crap compared to other bioware games or rpgs but that its still an okay game just because bioware rpgs used to be so much better.

 

[Juventus]

because they complain about optional things like fast travel.

get it? people complain about the availability of OPTIONAL fast travel

why?

 

[Netrigan]

I had an interesting experience yesterday, I was on a job taking a photo of a local environmental campaigner. When I noticed he had a recumbent cycle (I know, a big leap that a grassroots greenie would have a recumbent, right?), we got talking about it. He built it himself as most do, then he said, as I have so often heard before, that it was a far superior way of cycling.

Now I'm not a huge cyclist or anything, but I always looked down in recumbent cyclists (ha ha) as smug, nerdy, ridiculous, weirdos, who didn't have a firm grip on reality. Anyway I had time to spare, and he offered me a go on his bike. It was a revelation, it isn't as nimble as a normal bike of course but it was so easy to drive/ride and it was incredibly comfortable. If I could bike commute to work (I need to drive my own car to jobs all day) I would probably think about getting/building myself a recumbent.

I think PC Gamers are recumbent cyclists.

There is always a little bit of smugness about us because we "know" we have a superior machine, especially as the mainstream just don't "get it". We also tend to forget that the things we take for granted like building our own machines, sourcing good deals for parts, overclocking, troubleshooting, and delving into the deeper intricacies of an OS are just not something that the mainstream think about, or think they can do. It makes us think less of them, because that is as integral to our gaming experience as breathing, and becomes second nature yet they find it too hard or incomprehensible.

There is also the legacy of PC Gaming, we remember those awesome games of the past that we love and we don't see anything as intricate or as complex being produced by the large studios. We blame the consoles, when really we should blame parenting and the mass market. I'll get into parenting another time but basically, parents don't want their kids to fail and games follow that trend. Thank goodness for Dwarf Fortress (Uh oh PC elitism). That's a generalisation of course but one I see an overall trend towards. The mass market which of course is driven by the consoles, want to produce games that everyone will like, that everyone can play and that everyone can beat, which ends up giving us samey, non-challenging, non-complex games that can be picked up and played by a slighty dim 12 year old. Because they are aiming for the lowest common denominator to maximise their potential market. The games produced are more suited to the limitations of the console hardware and controllers than the almost limited potential of the PC. This stings in particular because quite a few PC gamers are also PC enthusiasts, who have PC related G.A.S. [footnote=Gear Acquisition Syndrome, where we don't have to upgrade our machines but we do because we like shiny and powerful things] I don't blame consoles for this trend, I blame the money men who drive the industry, and their lack of faith in the ability of gamers to think and learn.

Wow that was a long rant, sorry.

Unlike the bikes, the PC is a superior gaming platform... on paper.

Better graphics, a wealth of controller choices, modding communities, and on and on.

In practice, driver support, hardware conflicts, deceptive system specs, and the like made things a bit complicated for everyone involved.

Once the devs started jumping ship and started using the 360 as the graphical mean, the writing for PC gaming was sort of on the wall. Without the promise of better graphics, without gameplay that draws on the greater number of buttons available to the PC, there's just not a huge reason to keep up the PC Dream of superiority.

I'm glad I went PC instead of console. I'm not really coming from the platformer/fighting/racing game tradition that consoles excelled at, and have been playing the sort of games that are popular now for the last decade and a half.... with better graphics and better controls. I know I missed out on some gems here and there, but I'd put the PC's pre-360 FPS library up against the console's FPS library any day of the week. They may have had Goldeneye, but they're also still clinging to Turok as if that were some sort of classic game. RPG fans can probably rattled off dozens of games as good, if not better, than the best consoles had to offer.

Still, I wouldn't count PC gaming out completely. I think they lost a couple of genres to consoles, but it seems like they've retained the much more lucrative genres. Can't think of a console game that has spawned professional video game teams like Starcraft has done in Korea. It's hard to imagine a console game equaling the revenue of World Of Warcraft. While casual gaming is bridging the gap between PC gamers and smart phone gamers, with Zynga flat-out saying there aren't enough console gamers to make porting their browser games to the 360 worth it. PCs and consoles are both sort of hanging into that realm where they're becoming redundant... but PCs are much more central to people's lives than consoles. Also consoles are much more dependent on AAA gaming, which is where a lot of today's video game uncertainty stems from.

Hmmm, maybe it's the Consolers who are the recumbent bikers