Why the Skyrim boycott is a waste of time and missing enjoyment.
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No, but to NOT challange the patent that Notch and co filed is negligent on Zenimax. Did you read the broad items and things they wanted to claim for future use? ALL TV, Books, Games, and others with the word 'SCROLLS' on them. Then what would Zenimax do, cancel their ES games? Thats why they are challangeing it. Not cause they care about Notches game.Redweaver said:
Both sides are being idiots in this situation, and nothing but the quality of Skyrim itself will determine whether I buy it. Just buy whichever games you want and keep your nose out of legal troubles, because neither side here is "the little guy."
I agree with Ultrachicken, both sides of this argument are being foolish. But what kills me is the fact that the argument between Mojang and Bethesda's lawyers is so incredibly infantile - and to boycott Bethesda's games on those grounds is surely just as foolish.
As much as it pains me to say, acting like a five year old yourself is not the way to deal with other people acting like children. Just write a letter to Bethesda's lawyers and ask them very nicely to drop the case. If they get enough letters, maybe someone will take notice.
The whole thing is a problem for the Justice system to sort out, not the gamers.
As much as it pains me to say, acting like a five year old yourself is not the way to deal with other people acting like children. Just write a letter to Bethesda's lawyers and ask them very nicely to drop the case. If they get enough letters, maybe someone will take notice.
The whole thing is a problem for the Justice system to sort out, not the gamers.
Regardless of what you think of the legal action, support for this boycott will always be very small. Considering that the overwhelming majority of people who will buy Skyrim will neither not know about, or not care about this case, boycotters are essentially denying themselves the opportunity the play what will be probably an excellent game. Which is a pity because anyone dedicated to boycott is probably a very, very dedicated gamer. I seriously doubt any boycott will put a dent in Skyrim sales!
Boycotting is stupid, I'm preordering Skyrim, I still love Bethesda, I don't really care if Mojang loses their name.
But.
It is ridiculously, absurdly, endlessly stupid to even remotely consider Scrolls, a single word, is infringing on any copyright.
Diablo had scrolls in it, Yu-gi-oh has scrolls in it, Neopets has scrolls in it, and that isn't even the point I'm just rambling.
Point: Single word is not equal to compound word.
This is like Square taking someone to court over a game named "Final Frontier" or Sonic Team claiming that Battlefield and Battlefront infringe on Sonic Adventure 2: Battle.
It's like Chaosium and Ubisoft demanding Activision change Call of Duty's name because it could be confused by consumers with Call of Cthulhu and Call of Juarez.
Notch would be insane if he did anything BUT laugh at such a cease and desist.
But.
It is ridiculously, absurdly, endlessly stupid to even remotely consider Scrolls, a single word, is infringing on any copyright.
Diablo had scrolls in it, Yu-gi-oh has scrolls in it, Neopets has scrolls in it, and that isn't even the point I'm just rambling.
Point: Single word is not equal to compound word.
This is like Square taking someone to court over a game named "Final Frontier" or Sonic Team claiming that Battlefield and Battlefront infringe on Sonic Adventure 2: Battle.
It's like Chaosium and Ubisoft demanding Activision change Call of Duty's name because it could be confused by consumers with Call of Cthulhu and Call of Juarez.
Notch would be insane if he did anything BUT laugh at such a cease and desist.
Points op made.
1. Anyone who thinks suing somebody over something only trumpted by the -edge- case. Is a mindless drone ruled over by the overlord Notch.
Honestly.. The minute he called half the people on this forum brainless he should have gotten a warning.
End of my thoughts. And honestly OP. Change the message, It aint very civil and doesnt belong here. Even if the moderators missed it.
1. Anyone who thinks suing somebody over something only trumpted by the -edge- case. Is a mindless drone ruled over by the overlord Notch.
Honestly.. The minute he called half the people on this forum brainless he should have gotten a warning.
End of my thoughts. And honestly OP. Change the message, It aint very civil and doesnt belong here. Even if the moderators missed it.
*sigh*
Zenimax need to protect their copyright. If they don't pursue this particular case, then someone else might come along with 'Old Scrolls' and when Zenimax attempts to protect their copyright there, the defence team for 'Old Scrolls' can use Zenimax's lack of action against 'Scrolls' as precedent, and get the case dismissed.
In basic terms, if you don't actively attempt to protect your copyright, you lose the ability to retain copyright, and all of the legal rights associated with that.
Zenimax are doing what they need to do to protect their interests in the long term.
Notch, as demonstrated with and by his lack of restraint and sheer idiocy when speaking about unlimited detail, believes he's the 'People's Champanion' [insert 'The Rock' pictures here] and is milking the internet collective's uneducated legal opinion for all its worth: he's playing the 'David v Goliath' card when its more a case of 'Zenimax have to do this or they lose copyright on their biggest franchise because Notch decided to make an RPG with a similar sounding name.'
No one is in the wrong, but Notch is playing the situation to make it look like Zenimax are being pricks. Notch is a show pony, riding off the success of Minecraft, and letting it all go to his head.
Zenimax need to protect their copyright. If they don't pursue this particular case, then someone else might come along with 'Old Scrolls' and when Zenimax attempts to protect their copyright there, the defence team for 'Old Scrolls' can use Zenimax's lack of action against 'Scrolls' as precedent, and get the case dismissed.
In basic terms, if you don't actively attempt to protect your copyright, you lose the ability to retain copyright, and all of the legal rights associated with that.
Zenimax are doing what they need to do to protect their interests in the long term.
Notch, as demonstrated with and by his lack of restraint and sheer idiocy when speaking about unlimited detail, believes he's the 'People's Champanion' [insert 'The Rock' pictures here] and is milking the internet collective's uneducated legal opinion for all its worth: he's playing the 'David v Goliath' card when its more a case of 'Zenimax have to do this or they lose copyright on their biggest franchise because Notch decided to make an RPG with a similar sounding name.'
No one is in the wrong, but Notch is playing the situation to make it look like Zenimax are being pricks. Notch is a show pony, riding off the success of Minecraft, and letting it all go to his head.
I have a question, why the fuck is this? I hear this constantly and it's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. The patent owner should be able to let anyone they want slide for infringements of THEIR intellectual property. Why is it not a patent owner's right to let crimes that supposedly are against them slide?Zeh Don said:
No he didn't. The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim and just Scrolls are as similar as the name would be to a game just called "The".
Haha I like reading your arguments, not trying to offend but you don't seem to be understanding any of the points against you. He is not saying it's a waste of time in the sense that it will not do anything, he is saying it is a waste of a boycott because it is being applied for illegitamite reasons in his opinion (or so I understand). If he wants to attempt to convince others not to do such a thing he can though it seems futile as all it's really doing is raising awareness of the issue.Crono1973 said:
OT: I don't really care about what happens much behing the scenes as I'm not naive enough to assume I know the whole story of any legal I'm not directly involved in. But either way, I think Skyrim is looking good so far so unless something convinces me otherwise between now and the release date I will get it.
I'm going to buy it because Bethesda is awesome and I can't NOT play Skyrim. It will be my modding playground and my fantasy world escape from reality.
But Notch not only asked them if changing to add a subtitle would help, but he also asked if dropping the whole Scrolls trademark would be OK for them. And they STILL wanted to sue. This isn't about Bethesda thinking the trademark might harm them, and those two scenarios prove that. A trademark for Scrolls: Subtitle would not potentially harm the Elder Scrolls name or Bethesda's rights to their series. And dropping the trademark altogether would have Bethesda completely out of any possible danger.
No, Bethesda is pulling an "Edge" on Mojang. There's no two ways about it, as far as I can tell. I hate that they're going through with this and I hope they lose horribly, because the whole premise of this litigation is completely ridiculous. Of course I'll still buy their game, if not because it's a kind of dumb reason to boycott something AND WE ALL KNOW HOW WELL GAMING BOYCOTTS WORK.
Just saying, guys. There's room to argue here, so you can be sure even if you go through with the boycott, you'll be in the vast minority and Bethesda will never even know they lost a sale. Anyway, I find it more important that I vote with my money to tell developers what kind of games I want, rather than passing that up to try to tell them I don't like their legal team.
But Notch not only asked them if changing to add a subtitle would help, but he also asked if dropping the whole Scrolls trademark would be OK for them. And they STILL wanted to sue. This isn't about Bethesda thinking the trademark might harm them, and those two scenarios prove that. A trademark for Scrolls: Subtitle would not potentially harm the Elder Scrolls name or Bethesda's rights to their series. And dropping the trademark altogether would have Bethesda completely out of any possible danger.
No, Bethesda is pulling an "Edge" on Mojang. There's no two ways about it, as far as I can tell. I hate that they're going through with this and I hope they lose horribly, because the whole premise of this litigation is completely ridiculous. Of course I'll still buy their game, if not because it's a kind of dumb reason to boycott something AND WE ALL KNOW HOW WELL GAMING BOYCOTTS WORK.
Just saying, guys. There's room to argue here, so you can be sure even if you go through with the boycott, you'll be in the vast minority and Bethesda will never even know they lost a sale. Anyway, I find it more important that I vote with my money to tell developers what kind of games I want, rather than passing that up to try to tell them I don't like their legal team.
All this hype and shit while in the end Mojang will release Scrolls, Bethesda releases Skyrim, we all buy those games and no one will ever remember this because nothing is going to happen in court since neither party has anything even resembling a case.
Basically, like a few people have said, Zenimax effectively has to pursue Notch legally unless they want to lose the trademark. Even allowing incidental use without Notch actually claiming a trademark on "Scrolls" for a related product (as this obviously is) can result in their trademark being weakened and potentially lost.
What's more, even if his offer not to pursue the trademark was genuine, if I was dealing with millions of dollars worth of trademarks on a legal team and someone who had casually published private dealings to the internet "said" he wasn't going to pursue a trademark, that wouldn't particularly convince me to just drop the suit without further investigating his plans around the product.
What's more, even if his offer not to pursue the trademark was genuine, if I was dealing with millions of dollars worth of trademarks on a legal team and someone who had casually published private dealings to the internet "said" he wasn't going to pursue a trademark, that wouldn't particularly convince me to just drop the suit without further investigating his plans around the product.