Why this character is not that awesome.

[gorfias]

The Incredible Hulk. Ultimately, he is just a big, strong dummy. And, all things considered, why should I think it credible that he win his fight at the end of the 2nd movie attempt? He was up against an incredible bad ass military man who now was physically stronger than him.

I hate having to say to myself, "well, it was in the script."

 

[SckizoBoy]

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Dude, this is Hollywood... sorry, 'Hollywood' that's talking here. And just how much 'science' does 'Hollywood' know? How much 'science' do you think 'Hollywood' reckon their typical customer knows? Answer = jackshit to both.

I think everyone can agree that Origins was a shitty film and leave it at that.

If you want a more fundamental gripe about Wolverine's powers: how the fuck do his claws operate?! (i.e. emerge from his knuckles, for which he would need to have no carpal bones and without carpal bones, it's almost impossible to flex the wrist)

OT: Anakin Skywalker... you turned to the dark side because you didn't get that promotion, boo hoo, cry me a fucking river. Plus, did you have to be played by Hayden Christensen?!

 

[mrdude2010]

nathan drake from Uncharted 2

what a fucking asshole. if i have to hear one more stupid one liner or lame flirtatious line i may walk through the tv and stab him myself.

 

[mrdude2010]

Commander Shepard,

No matter how you play him, the guy is a massive tool. If he used just a tiny bit of his extreme luck to actually proving the Reaper's existence instead of just pouting to the council and killing/blue-text-clicking random dudes for pocket change he might get some help in defeating a timeless and ancient evil which commits systematic extermination on a regular basis (keep in mind the only reason the cycle was delayed was because of pure luck and forward thinking of a different species).

When he is sent into a derelict ship to "investigate" it (mind you, the same ship which killed him and a large portion of his old crew just weeks ago) he can either go in wholeheartedly and be shocked when he is betrayed, or be sarcastic about it and then get angry when he is betrayed. He never questions orders and he lacks any survival instinct. He also doesn't see the problem with working with a clandestine group of racist and well funded terrorists who are at the same time incredibly inept and dangerous to all living beings. He may occasionally say he hates them, but he always works with them toward their goals no matter the choices you make.

The guy never thinks ahead, never uses strategy, never takes a calculated gamble, he just blunders into big situations and shoots things and talks with dudes until they get resolved, usually requiring a large portion of luck as well.

you seem to have missed the big "FUCK YOU" to cerberus at the end of the 2nd game. since both cerberus and shepherd are working towards the same goals (stopping the collectors), it makes sense to use the massive amounts of resources offered to him

i think the point is he really can't prove the reaper's existence, and if he did all it would accomplish would be to evacuate a few more far out colonies which were already being evacuated anyway. it's not like the council can send in the fleet through the omega 4 relay because they would just die.
what orders were he supposed to question exactly? there really isn't a point where you're ordered to do anything aside from when he tells you to go check out the derelict collector ship, and i mean it's his only real chance to get that one thing he needs from it, since there aren't too many other derelict collector ships laying around

also plenty of your dialogue lines are calculated gambles

as was going onto the collector-infested planet without 100% surety that you were going to be safe. obviously the game isn't going to arbitrarily kill you, but the idea is that both going on the collector ship and going on the planet with the collectors are calculated gambles that have a pretty major risk, but also a pretty major potential reward.

if he's inept it's only because you played him as inept, shepherd as a combat character is exactly as powerful as you make him

 

[Laxman9292]

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EDIT: By the way for all the people talking about Masterchief:

He blew up the Halo intallation.
He grabbed a bomb, carried it out with him after jumping out of a space station in the middle of a fleet battle to plant said bomb onto an enemy frigate.
He killed the Prophet of Regret.
He destroyed the entire flood infection by activating a Halo ring in a zone beyond the rim of our galaxy and subsequently destroyed the Ark as well.

I'm just saying, dude's done stuff.

but, isn't master chief even more of a blank slate than shepard? plus shepard has done some pretty awesome things too...

Not really, Master Chief is anything but a blank slate. He literally has novels of characterization and the player is not permitted to impress their own character on him, as he is an already defined person. He's just quiet.

Besides, eh doesn't afraid of anything.

 

[Laxman9292]

The Adoring Fan from Oblivion...because he exists...

Oh, wait, someone that people like. Uh...Boba Fett.

*kicks a fanboy running up to bring him a copy of Tales of the Bounty Hunter*

THERE IS NO EXPANDED UNIVERSE!!!

There actually is, it exists . And no one ever thought the Adoring Fan was awesome for any reason. Except that youi could be brutally mean to him and he would just go along with it.

 

[irani_che]

hit-girl from kick-ass

she was like the biggest mary sue fantasy character ever concocted by some serious comic book fan with a slight paedophile disposition.
Yahtzee described a similay character best as saying she is as loveable as a deep sea angler fish in an SS uniform

 

[jhlip]

Bobba Fett

He gets like 30 seconds screen time, yet so many people nerdgasm over him.

He's a guy that didn't take precautions to prevent accidental jetpack discharge. The sarlacc pit feasts on the premature reckless.

Pretty much this right here. I can't stand people worshiping Bobba Fett.

 

[AgentNein]

I believe you forgot the "is" in the title.

OT: Gordon Freeman. A silent protagonist who is far less easy to like than most other silent protagonists.

Ya gordon sucks LOLz
XD

OT: This dude

because I killed him in 3 seconds flat.

I am honestly a Sepheroth fan, but with that said all I had to do was cast Knights of The Round with X4 materia and somebody else with mimic materia. I sorta felt bad for him.

"I am a god now you think you can de*oof stop hitting me stop hitting me! It hurts!"

 

[PxDn Ninja]

Cthulhu

i was not aware Cthulhu was 'awesome' or 'bad ass'

A lot of people think he is. I think the idea is pretty cool, but he isn't an unstoppable beast like people believe he is.

>.> i see, i always saw it as a stupid looking squid monster thing, a mid boss at best basically, or a tougher normal enemy, ya know, the kinda thing you flatten an move on

That's the problem with illustrating Lovecraft's creatures. If you read about him, Cthulhu is an immortal alien god, whose existance is blasphemy against the laws of physics and whose very sight can shatter the human mind. You draw him and he's just a green squid-man-bat.

Can't think of my candidate for the "not that awesome" award. Satan maybe? If you ignore Milton's legacy and only look in the Bible, isn't the Devil basically God's lowest minion with the suckiest job?

Actually if you read the Bible, Lucifer was at the right hand of God and his most beautiful creation. He was one of his top creations, but when God created man and placed us above the angels, Lucifer stood defiant and was cast down.

 

[Lekonua]

Nathan Spencer is an arrogant douche...

It was a bit unsettling for me to read that. Not because I like the character or anything, but because I have the exact same first and last name.

 

[Hyper-space]

I know he looks cool and all, but am I wrong, or wasn't the whole point of Rorschach that he's an unstable sociopath and a right wing nut job? (In fact, his favourite magazine is basically FOX News on paper) So why do so many people love him?

Yep, Rorschach was never meant to be someone that people thought was cool, but rather a look at what kind of person would become a dangerous vigilante.

Wolverine. The only reason he's so badass is that the writers keep upping his actual powers to the point where if theres a fleck of skin left of him somewhere, he's coming back. He slashes shit and yeah he's a good fighter, but how much of a mary sue is he really? They jam him full of sharp, indestructible metal and then make it so he can't die even if he didn't have it?


Buuuuulllllshit.

Oh god this, Wolverine works much better when hes just being hilarious. Case in point:

Spoiler: Wolverine got brainwashed, thought he was a scaredy-cat, then this happened

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[spoiler=Wolverine + beer = Greatest thing evar][img src="http://chris.quietlife.net/images/wolverine2.jpg"][/spoiler]

 

[Faux Furry]

Wolverine. The only reason he's so badass is that the writers keep upping his actual powers to the point where if theres a fleck of skin left of him somewhere, he's coming back. He slashes shit and yeah he's a good fighter, but how much of a mary sue is he really? They jam him full of sharp, indestructible metal and then make it so he can't die even if he didn't have it?


Buuuuulllllshit.

No matter how badass they try and make Wolverine, nothing will detract from the fact that he was once saved by Jubilee. That is the immediate nullification of all awesome.

Also, there's something that has always puzzled me about Wolverine. It's in how he got his powers in the first movie.

His entire skeleton is coated with adamantium, but in order for that to actually work, doesn't that mean that the (supposedly) indestructible metal had to be melted into a liquid to be administered? Furthermore, in the movie, it was clearly seen through transparent plastic hoses, so wouldn't it be fair to say that it has a lower melting point than plastic?

In fact, considering that it wasn't glowing from all the IR and heat emitted from being heated to melting point, it must have a very low melting point. Metals with low melting points, like aluminum or tin do not glow when melted.

So that means it has a melting point that can be reached by conventional means, which means that it's not as indestructible as people make it out to be.

So, given this, wouldn't that mean that if you had a mutant with the ability to create vast amounts of heat, it would be possible to completely melt his claws and burn him to a crisp? Hell, a bit of human technology could do it, considering that normal human scientists were the ones who gave him the claws/skeleton in the first place.

Also, microwaves would be pretty lethal to someone who's skeleton is made out of metal, which reminds me, in the first film they put him into an MRI machine instead of an X-ray to check his health.

How the hell did they get such a clear image? Even the smallest pieces of metal, like screws, can distort an MRI. MRI machines fail if you have any kind of metal inside them, since they work using strong magnetic fields, so either the image is distorted or the metal is flung into the sides of the machine which can cause damage to it (which is ill-advised since MRI machines are expensive). And, if Magneto could bend his claws (which leads me to deduce that adamantium is magnetic), then how come the MRI didn't at least make his claws stick to the sides of the machine and ruin the interior?

I know I shouldn't be looking for logic in a movie based on a comic book, but if you're going to be setting these things in the real world and play them out as if they actually could happen, then it's reasonable that they adhere to some of the basic traits of reality.

I'm not particularly au fait with the comics to know why adamantium is indestructible, so I suppose there's a reason, but nobody has been able to give me one, yet. Maybe someone could help me out on this?

Right there in the comics, it is stated, in no uncertain terms, that characters such as Cyclops can disintegrate Adamantium [http://marvel.com/universe/Adamantium] with their energy emissions, well, in Age of Apocalypse [http://aoa.confusticated.com/], anyway.

I'm not going to say whether or not that affects how 'awesome' Wolverine is as a character or not, but there are definite limitations to that miracle metal his bones are coated with as well as bring up continuity issues in the movies.

 

[GiantRaven]

But I'm also not going to kid myself about Shepard as a character on his own terms.

I dunno, I always saw him as having a character. Granted the character I saw was a socially awkward idiot who somehow managed to bungle himself into being the saviour of the galaxy, not really understanding the emotions of others, unable to act as if he cared about anything.

 

[nukethetuna]

Crono. Utter badass, most powerful character in the game. Katana master with power over the heavens.

Aaaaaand he has no personality whatsoever. He's ok with a sword? He... doesn't mind jumping in a time portal to save a girl he just met? I... I guess he's ok with marrying said girl down the line? Not really sure how he feels about Lavos.
As far as I'm concerned, the dude is just incredibly susceptible to peer pressure. Oh and he mooches off his mom, who doesn't have a job PER SAY, so I'm pretty sure the need to support him, her, and his cat led her into some sort of shady business.

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

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I know he looks cool and all, but am I wrong, or wasn't the whole point of Rorschach that he's an unstable sociopath and a right wing nut job? (In fact, his favourite magazine is basically FOX News on paper) So why do so many people love him?

That was the point, yes. It just kind of got lost on everyone because he's so grimdark and edgy.
I think his popularity speaks loudly of how much most dudes are still basically thirteen year old boys, deep down.

I say this as someone who kind of also thinks he is a badass.

i liked Rorschach because he was an excellent character: flawed, human, yet still occasionally awesome. he was batshit insane, but he was still the closest to figuring out the truth before the end. and despite his right-wing bullshit, he was also the only one to disagree with Ozymandius in the end.

OT: have to agree about Boba Fett. i always thought he looked cool, and all, but he wasn't nearly the badass so many made him out to be. plus, like all other things Star Wars, the prequels ruined him utterly. Baby Boba Fett can suck it.

Actually if you read the Bible, Lucifer was at the right hand of God and his most beautiful creation. He was one of his top creations, but when God created man and placed us above the angels, Lucifer stood defiant and was cast down.

actually, if you actually read the Bible, it never says for sure who or what he was or did. he's never even given the name Lucifer in the Bible. it is fairly heavily implied that he was at least fairly important, but that's as specific as it gets. all the stuff about Lucifer was "introduced as canon" by John Milton, 1500+ years after the Bible was completed.

what Believer mentioned above about Isaiah 14:12 could refer to any angel, not necessarily a particularly important one. and while he undoubtedly rose to importance after he tricked Adam and Eve, that doesn't mean he was important before then.

 

[Mavinchious Maximus]

Ezio, the guy just pisses me off for some reason. if i had the chance i would punch him in the jaw.

 

[Mr Somewhere]

Batman. I just don't get it. I felt that Nicholas cage's character in Kick-Ass, even though it was a parody of sorts, was better. But I just find Batman dull and lacking the individuality of other superheroes.

Just out of curiosity, have you read any Batman comics? If you'd any of the classics, I'm certain you wouldn't be saying this. Batman has more character in him then most people realise.

 

[Stammer]

Chuck Norris. He is not cool. Why?

He is a fucking idiot. Seriously.

Also, he's definitely not the best fighter out there. Bruce Lee could beat him.

(skip to 2:14 for the fight)