Why war will never stop.

[Merteg]

The reason war will never be stopped, is because there is too much money in war. The people who tell our leaders, America's that is, what to do, make money in war.

So, in America, we will always want war.

No anti america crap... war has always been part of countries

Anti-American? Crap?

I want America to be better than it is. I love America, I live in America.

I believe you will find that what I said is not crap.

 

[Merteg]

Yes it will.

Yes, it will last forever?

Or yes, war will stop?

 

[gbemery]

I'd say making them love us will be better than making them hate us.

If we kill them, that just makes new terrorists, and they hate us more.

If we try to give them support and talk with them, we may be able influence them.

"Well, if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride, but I generally don't put much stock into the idea that if we pretend very hard, fiction will become reality."

Care to elaborate? Are you saying that us using diplomacy with our enemies will never happen? Or that you don't think diplomacy will work?

Well you can talk about diplomacy all you want and how it would be better than war (and it would be) but sad to say we don't live in a world of happiness and love, where arguments are settled over a nice cup of tea and gum drops shower from the heavens. The fact is that most things that cause war have started in diplomatic channels and usually have been there for years, but you just never hear about them in the news because people rather hear about what other celebrity died today or why they missed Simon giving someone a standing ovation.

In places where war breaks out where diplomacy failed, it is usually because there's an underlying history of events that cause tension. Things you can't solve with diplomacy alone. If you think having a civil chat with a terrorist cell would be possible then by all means go for it but don't be surprised when they try to blow you up because they believe in the phrase 'actions speak louder than words' or 'kill the infidel'.

A few posted things along the lines of 'some people kill people because they just don't like each other' and that is true as well. Examples the events in Rwanda and places in the Middle East where one ethnic group hates another just because of what they believe and kill each other for it. Diplomacy wouldn't even work in some of those places because some of them would rather kill themselves then speak to the other. One can also argue how 'well' diplomacy is working with North Korea and Iran right now. You could also argue between whether or not it was diplomacy or economic collapse of the Soviet Union that ended the cold war. In the end though it wouldn't really matter what I said because you already made up your mind before you posted the thread. Your belief that diplomacy should always be used but isn't because there is more money in war, and that which you have stated is the 'only' thing for which our government does anything.

But armed conflict shouldn't be a first resort, but it seems that's what we've turned to!

Sure, some people can't be reasoned with. However, I'm sure there are many who CAN be reasoned with. We have to at least try. As I have said many times on this thread, we kill one terrorist who we may have been able to sway with diplomacy, and his entire family hates America and will probably hate America for generations.

yes there are those who can be and that is why the whole world isn't at war with everyone else right now. And which people are you talking about that we attacked first, that we could have reasoned with but we never tried?

but to end I reiterate, "In the end though it wouldn't really matter what I said because you already made up your mind before you posted the thread. Your belief that diplomacy should always be used but isn't because there is more money in war, and that which you have stated is the 'only' thing for which our government does anything."

 

[Merteg]

I'd say making them love us will be better than making them hate us.

If we kill them, that just makes new terrorists, and they hate us more.

If we try to give them support and talk with them, we may be able influence them.

"Well, if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride, but I generally don't put much stock into the idea that if we pretend very hard, fiction will become reality."

Care to elaborate? Are you saying that us using diplomacy with our enemies will never happen? Or that you don't think diplomacy will work?

Well you can talk about diplomacy all you want and how it would be better than war (and it would be) but sad to say we don't live in a world of happiness and love, where arguments are settled over a nice cup of tea and gum drops shower from the heavens. The fact is that most things that cause war have started in diplomatic channels and usually have been there for years, but you just never hear about them in the news because people rather hear about what other celebrity died today or why they missed Simon giving someone a standing ovation.

In places where war breaks out where diplomacy failed, it is usually because there's an underlying history of events that cause tension. Things you can't solve with diplomacy alone. If you think having a civil chat with a terrorist cell would be possible then by all means go for it but don't be surprised when they try to blow you up because they believe in the phrase 'actions speak louder than words' or 'kill the infidel'.

A few posted things along the lines of 'some people kill people because they just don't like each other' and that is true as well. Examples the events in Rwanda and places in the Middle East where one ethnic group hates another just because of what they believe and kill each other for it. Diplomacy wouldn't even work in some of those places because some of them would rather kill themselves then speak to the other. One can also argue how 'well' diplomacy is working with North Korea and Iran right now. You could also argue between whether or not it was diplomacy or economic collapse of the Soviet Union that ended the cold war. In the end though it wouldn't really matter what I said because you already made up your mind before you posted the thread. Your belief that diplomacy should always be used but isn't because there is more money in war, and that which you have stated is the 'only' thing for which our government does anything.

But armed conflict shouldn't be a first resort, but it seems that's what we've turned to!

Sure, some people can't be reasoned with. However, I'm sure there are many who CAN be reasoned with. We have to at least try. As I have said many times on this thread, we kill one terrorist who we may have been able to sway with diplomacy, and his entire family hates America and will probably hate America for generations.

yes there are those who can be and that is why the whole world isn't at war with everyone else right now. And which people are you talking about that we attacked first, that we could have reasoned with but we never tried?

but to end I reiterate, "In the end though it wouldn't really matter what I said because you already made up your mind before you posted the thread. Your belief that diplomacy should always be used but isn't because there is more money in war, and that which you have stated is the 'only' thing for which our government does anything."

Yes, the people we attacked first could have been our friends.

You disagree with me? Prove to me that violence is better than diplomacy. If you disagree with me, let me see your opposing arguments.

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

not to mention humans are inherently violent.

 

[Daedalus1942]

The reason War will never stop is because of two reasons.
A) It culls out the population, and despite what you may think, the government wants this.
and B) War is great for the economy, it genereates business like you wouldn't believe, and everybody partaking in it, (apart from the cannon-fodder, AKA soldiers) gets alot richer.

 

[Merteg]

The reason War will never stop is because of two reasons.
A) It culls out the population, and despite what you may think, the government wants this.
and B) War is great for the economy, it genereates business like you wouldn't believe, and everybody partaking in it, (apart from the cannon-fodder, AKA soldiers) gets alot richer.

The whole thread is about the second reason...

 

[countrysteaksauce]

Yes it will.

Yes, it will last forever?

Or yes, war will stop?

Stop

 

[Merteg]

Yes it will.

Yes, it will last forever?

Or yes, war will stop?

Stop

Support your claim. Why do you think war will stop?

 

[Runic]

We are simply human. When there are no more wars it means there are no more humans. Its good to prepare for war, but still I would prefer for humanity to evolve out of this phase of destroy everything to end a conflict, normally started by something stupid.

 

[gbemery]

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Yes, the people we attacked first could have been our friends.

You disagree with me? Prove to me that violence is better than diplomacy. If you disagree with me, let me see your opposing arguments.

I don't ever recall saying I believed violence was better than diplomacy, actually I recall saying the other way around. Actually I think it went alittle something like this .

Well you can talk about diplomacy all you want and how it would be better than war (and it would be) but sad to say we don't live in a world of happiness and love, where arguments are settled over a nice cup of tea and gum drops shower from the heavens. The fact is that most things that cause war have started in diplomatic channels and usually have been there for years, but you just never hear about them in the news because people rather hear about what other celebrity died today or why they missed Simon giving someone a standing ovation.

You never specified when I asked the question 'who did we attack first and not try diplomacy with?' And since I never said violence was better than diplomacy having an opposing argument is kind of hard.

What I disagree with is your comments of 'ALL the things our government does is for money. That those who tell our leaders to war, want war ,so all of America wants war' Show me your proof that EVERYTHING they do is for money, that ALL of our leaders want war and that ALL Americans want war.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #34: War is good for business

 

[countrysteaksauce]

Yes it will.

Yes, it will last forever?

Or yes, war will stop?

Stop

Support your claim. Why do you think war will stop?

I see your cynicism OP in the first post, I haven't really waded through the other posts, but, yes, there is much profiteering in war. (For certain people and players of course)

However, let me up the cynicism and take war to its logical conclusion.

The human population will eventually wipe itself out and then war will end.

Either man-made extinction or a natural event, it's only a matter of time. It's quite doubtful that we will have enough time to develop sustainable living in space and capable space travel to leave our solar system anytime soon to ensure the survival of the species. My bet's on humanity plunging into some kind of world war once again and ending itself before it has a chance to escape this planet, taking war with itself.

The question is when will this happen?

 

[Satoz]

War wont stop now for one reason, if one country were to say "screw our military" then that leaves them a weak piece on the board game, one that would have to be supported by others...and if no one else complies there is no point to be the one "good natured" country without any power, no one will come to your aid when the enemy is at the gate. You open yourself up to an attack and those who want power will strike, its simple.

Fighting is a solution that is used by all animals, combat to get food, to get sex to get whatever they want when the other side cannot agree. If I say im of royal blood and demand you pay me tribute, youd spit in my face, if I had a legion of soldiers at my beck and call then you might act differently (and no its not an action movie where youll win).

The point im making here is that it doesnt all just boil down to money

 

[mendokusai]

The wise words of the TF2's sniper: "As long as there's two people left on this earth, someone is going to want someone else DEAD."